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I have just heard from a very relieable source that Swiss/Kraut Othmar Blumencron has "requested" a by into the Gold Fleet. He sites his resume (not really much of one) as rational for letting him bypass having to mingle with the great unwashed in the qualifier rounds. Apparently he very earnestly pushed his reasoning to a committee that had to hold back from laughing out loud. I believe the only thing Othmar has done now is paint a rather large bullseye on the side of his boat.
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Posted 09 May 2004 - 04:58 PM
I care. Someone requests a bye into the gold fleet of a world championship instead of having to sail their way in like everyone else, in a fleet that has more than its fair share of sailors with impressive resumes...it's a great piece of gossip. If true, the guy is a moron and possibly deserving of an unintentional hip check while on the dock to bring him down a peg.
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Posted 09 May 2004 - 10:50 PM
ANON with a HARDON, on May 9 2004, 02:52 PM, said:
I have just heard from a very relieable source that Swiss/Kraut Othmar Blumencron has "requested" a by into the Gold Fleet. He sites his resume (not really much of one) as rational for letting him bypass having to mingle with the great unwashed in the qualifier rounds. Apparently he very earnestly pushed his reasoning to a committee that had to hold back from laughing out loud. I believe the only thing Othmar has done now is paint a rather large bullseye on the side of his boat.
That guy is a total tool. I hope half the fleet lands on him. I have sailed against him and I have never met a man with such long arms that repeatedly pats himself on the back. I would bet he does not make the top 15.
Regards,
Crew
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Posted 10 May 2004 - 12:31 AM
Othmar asked for nothing you idiot,
I happened to mention to part of the organizing committee that Othmar was going to be in Europe, competing in the Finn Europeans, returning just in time for the first race. Given the distance he was going to travel, there was a possibility we might miss the qualifying races if there was a travel problem, and a two time Olympic Finn veteran would have to be in the B fleet. A member of the organizing committee and I discussed the possibility and agreed that nothing like this had ever been requested before, but the committee would not offer if we did not ask and that the final word rests with Ray Wulff. So with the urging of part of the committee, I asked Ray personally, having known him for a long time and respecting him greatly, both in his sailing ability and the job he has done putting a great event together. I knew it was a long shot, and he gave me the answer I expected. There was no harm in asking, as a member of the committee pointed out, since they had not clearly outlined, at the time, how the process was going to be done. Clearly the committee did not laugh at it, several of them said I might as well ask.
Additionally, I asked Ray myself, Othmar knew nothing about it.
Why don't you identify yourself. You just got yourself a bulls eye.
Craig
I happened to mention to part of the organizing committee that Othmar was going to be in Europe, competing in the Finn Europeans, returning just in time for the first race. Given the distance he was going to travel, there was a possibility we might miss the qualifying races if there was a travel problem, and a two time Olympic Finn veteran would have to be in the B fleet. A member of the organizing committee and I discussed the possibility and agreed that nothing like this had ever been requested before, but the committee would not offer if we did not ask and that the final word rests with Ray Wulff. So with the urging of part of the committee, I asked Ray personally, having known him for a long time and respecting him greatly, both in his sailing ability and the job he has done putting a great event together. I knew it was a long shot, and he gave me the answer I expected. There was no harm in asking, as a member of the committee pointed out, since they had not clearly outlined, at the time, how the process was going to be done. Clearly the committee did not laugh at it, several of them said I might as well ask.
Additionally, I asked Ray myself, Othmar knew nothing about it.
Why don't you identify yourself. You just got yourself a bulls eye.
Craig
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Posted 10 May 2004 - 01:42 AM
Craig, on May 10 2004, 01:31 AM, said:
Othmar asked for nothing you idiot,
I happened to mention to part of the organizing committee that Othmar was going to be in Europe, competing in the Finn Europeans, returning just in time for the first race. Given the distance he was going to travel, there was a possibility we might miss the qualifying races if there was a travel problem, and a two time Olympic Finn veteran would have to be in the B fleet. A member of the organizing committee and I discussed the possibility and agreed that nothing like this had ever been requested before, but the committee would not offer if we did not ask and that the final word rests with Ray Wulff. So with the urging of part of the committee, I asked Ray personally, having known him for a long time and respecting him greatly, both in his sailing ability and the job he has done putting a great event together. I knew it was a long shot, and he gave me the answer I expected. There was no harm in asking, as a member of the committee pointed out, since they had not clearly outlined, at the time, how the process was going to be done. Clearly the committee did not laugh at it, several of them said I might as well ask.
Additionally, I asked Ray myself, Othmar knew nothing about it.
Why don't you identify yourself. You just got yourself a bulls eye.
Craig
I happened to mention to part of the organizing committee that Othmar was going to be in Europe, competing in the Finn Europeans, returning just in time for the first race. Given the distance he was going to travel, there was a possibility we might miss the qualifying races if there was a travel problem, and a two time Olympic Finn veteran would have to be in the B fleet. A member of the organizing committee and I discussed the possibility and agreed that nothing like this had ever been requested before, but the committee would not offer if we did not ask and that the final word rests with Ray Wulff. So with the urging of part of the committee, I asked Ray personally, having known him for a long time and respecting him greatly, both in his sailing ability and the job he has done putting a great event together. I knew it was a long shot, and he gave me the answer I expected. There was no harm in asking, as a member of the committee pointed out, since they had not clearly outlined, at the time, how the process was going to be done. Clearly the committee did not laugh at it, several of them said I might as well ask.
Additionally, I asked Ray myself, Othmar knew nothing about it.
Why don't you identify yourself. You just got yourself a bulls eye.
Craig
Craig: I stand corrected. Not only a tool but a tool for crew. Just who are you Craig. Take a look at the entries. Othmar is not the only Olympian, but the only one competing who DID not medal (Bertrand is not asking for a by). Grow up and sack up. Thank God Ray W. has the brains not to be pushed around by you and Othmar. I will throw down $100 that you do not make the top 10. If you are game we will let the Ed hold the bag.
Regards,
Crew
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Posted 10 May 2004 - 01:55 AM
It looks to me like something got misunderstood, some guy thought he would throw it on SA and see if it would stick, and "Craig" came clean, something very rare here.
Get a life, it does not look like they ever said they would top ten the event.
Get a life, it does not look like they ever said they would top ten the event.
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Posted 10 May 2004 - 02:12 AM
tk, on May 10 2004, 01:55 AM, said:
It looks to me like something got misunderstood, some guy thought he would throw it on SA and see if it would stick, and "Craig" came clean, something very rare here.
Get a life, it does not look like they ever said they would top ten the event.
Get a life, it does not look like they ever said they would top ten the event.
tk: I am flabergasted that "craig" came clean. What I think is histerical is that they, now apparently Othmar has his crew advocating for him (the guy should be in politics), think they are above the rest of the fleet. The shear arrogance is astounding.
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Posted 10 May 2004 - 02:27 AM
This is going to be a great event. I expect the following:
1. At least 3 fights at the dock
2. 5 boats intentionally hit eachother after they can no longer make the top 10
3. The midwest teams out drink the east coast teams
4. Every race somebody tries to come in on port tack right at theh mark and have their j22 turned into a J11.
5. Ray Wulff pulls every single hair out of his head tying to please all of us whinning sailors
6. The phrase "if I only" becomes the most popular 3 words at the regetta.
7. At least 1 big time pro gets stuck in the B fleet
8. The number of bruises on my body matches my sail number
9. Guys will outnumber girls 5 to 1 at the boatyard
10. Ohtmar get shit on all week for even haven the balls to bring the idea he can skip the qualifiers based on his sailing resume.
1. At least 3 fights at the dock
2. 5 boats intentionally hit eachother after they can no longer make the top 10
3. The midwest teams out drink the east coast teams
4. Every race somebody tries to come in on port tack right at theh mark and have their j22 turned into a J11.
5. Ray Wulff pulls every single hair out of his head tying to please all of us whinning sailors
6. The phrase "if I only" becomes the most popular 3 words at the regetta.
7. At least 1 big time pro gets stuck in the B fleet
8. The number of bruises on my body matches my sail number
9. Guys will outnumber girls 5 to 1 at the boatyard
10. Ohtmar get shit on all week for even haven the balls to bring the idea he can skip the qualifiers based on his sailing resume.
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Posted 10 May 2004 - 02:45 AM
What I find comical is that some jackass is dissin' the guy because he did not "medal" in the Olympics.
How many medals do you have?
How many medals do you have?
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Posted 10 May 2004 - 03:17 AM
Crew, on May 9 2004, 05:50 PM, said:
ANON with a HARDON, on May 9 2004, 02:52 PM, said:
I have just heard from a very relieable source that Swiss/Kraut Othmar Blumencron has "requested" a by into the Gold Fleet. He sites his resume (not really much of one) as rational for letting him bypass having to mingle with the great unwashed in the qualifier rounds. Apparently he very earnestly pushed his reasoning to a committee that had to hold back from laughing out loud. I believe the only thing Othmar has done now is paint a rather large bullseye on the side of his boat.
That guy is a total tool. I hope half the fleet lands on him. I have sailed against him and I have never met a man with such long arms that repeatedly pats himself on the back. I would bet he does not make the top 15.
Regards,
Crew
Can't say I know Othmar well or very personally, but I sailed against Dame Blanche last year at BIRW; he won our division.
I found him and his crew to be gentlemen on and off the water, and we enjoyed sailing against them, and look forward to doing so again. The continuing contacts I've had from people affiliated with his program since then have confirmed this opinion. I could be dead wrong about the guy - I only raced a against him for a week, but I would be please dto have another crack at them.
It seems that anyone that is going to take a flyer at someone should at least have the stones to back it up with a name or something of their own. Otherwise it's just a cheap shot.
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Posted 10 May 2004 - 07:36 AM
hey crabtown,
most of the guys posting here probably think that spellcheck is a sailing resort in poland ;)
cheers
boogie
most of the guys posting here probably think that spellcheck is a sailing resort in poland ;)
cheers
boogie
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Posted 10 May 2004 - 12:30 PM
B.J. Porter, on May 10 2004, 04:17 AM, said:
I could be dead wrong about the guy - I only raced a against him for a week, but I would be please dto have another crack at them.
It seems that anyone that is going to take a flyer at someone should at least have the stones to back it up with a name or something of their own. Otherwise it's just a cheap shot.
It seems that anyone that is going to take a flyer at someone should at least have the stones to back it up with a name or something of their own. Otherwise it's just a cheap shot.
BJ: No disrespect intended, but I have sailed against him a bit and found he is continually arrogant. I know he sails the same boat as you which may have elevated his standing in your eyes, but all that aside take a disinterested look at the end-around he wants to pull at the J22 World's. First and foremost it is an outrageous request (think of the guy who busted his ass, spent thousands of dollars and missed the Gold Fleet cut BY ONE BOAT). Secondly it seems it was quickly confirmed even though alleged by someone without the "stones to back it up" and confirmed by someone without the "stones to back it up" (so much for the anon theroy of random, false potshots). For more interesting reading do a search for his website (I cannot find it at the moment) and you will get a good measure of the guy. Do you really believe
"Craig:Othmar asked for nothing you idiot,
I happened to mention to part of the organizing committee that Othmar was going to be in Europe, competing in the Finn Europeans, returning just in time for the first race. Given the distance he was going to travel, there was a possibility we might miss the qualifying races if there was a travel problem, and a two time Olympic Finn veteran would have to be in the B fleet."
I do not think for a second that "Craig" just took it upon himself to ask in Othmar's place. Should we suspend all reason and think that Othmar just happened to look at his calender and notice that the two events overlap.
Anyway, my apologies for this becoming somewhat of a rant, but the arrogance of it chaps my hide. I will be there practicing before the World's and competing during all the races, I hope Othmar can make it, because as another poster mentioned, he is going to catch some heat all week.
Regards,
Crew
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Posted 10 May 2004 - 12:43 PM
Right Coast, on May 10 2004, 02:45 AM, said:
What I find comical is that some jackass is dissin' the guy because he did not "medal" in the Olympics.
How many medals do you have?
How many medals do you have?
Hahahahahah shot down
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Posted 10 May 2004 - 12:48 PM
I would drop it.
Othmar's crew was not the only team to "ask" to see if there could be a bye. This however was before the sailing instructions noted that the scores of all races would be counted.
If you think this request is off topic, you should see some of the other ones we have had. It make's this one look tame.
Ray W
Othmar's crew was not the only team to "ask" to see if there could be a bye. This however was before the sailing instructions noted that the scores of all races would be counted.
If you think this request is off topic, you should see some of the other ones we have had. It make's this one look tame.
Ray W
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Posted 10 May 2004 - 01:03 PM
Ray W, on May 10 2004, 01:48 PM, said:
I would drop it.
Othmar's crew was not the only team to "ask" to see if there could be a bye. This however was before the sailing instructions noted that the scores of all races would be counted.
If you think this request is off topic, you should see some of the other ones we have had. It make's this one look tame.
Ray W
Othmar's crew was not the only team to "ask" to see if there could be a bye. This however was before the sailing instructions noted that the scores of all races would be counted.
If you think this request is off topic, you should see some of the other ones we have had. It make's this one look tame.
Ray W
Ray W: I will bow to your voice of reason. I do not envy the incredibly thankless job (one which you are doing fantastic at) you are performing. I had heard other people bitching about wanting a bye also, but apparently you have been on the recieving end of more than a few outrageous requests (Othmar's included).
Regards,
Crew
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Posted 10 May 2004 - 01:03 PM
Crew, on May 10 2004, 07:30 AM, said:
B.J. Porter, on May 10 2004, 04:17 AM, said:
I could be dead wrong about the guy - I only raced a against him for a week, but I would be please dto have another crack at them.
It seems that anyone that is going to take a flyer at someone should at least have the stones to back it up with a name or something of their own. Otherwise it's just a cheap shot.
It seems that anyone that is going to take a flyer at someone should at least have the stones to back it up with a name or something of their own. Otherwise it's just a cheap shot.
BJ: No disrespect intended, but I have sailed against him a bit and found he is continually arrogant. I know he sails the same boat as you which may have elevated his standing in your eyes, but all that aside take a disinterested look at the end-around he wants to pull at the J22 World's. First and foremost it is an outrageous request (think of the guy who busted his ass, spent thousands of dollars and missed the Gold Fleet cut BY ONE BOAT). Secondly it seems it was quickly confirmed even though alleged by someone without the "stones to back it up" and confirmed by someone without the "stones to back it up" (so much for the anon theroy of random, false potshots). For more interesting reading do a search for his website (I cannot find it at the moment) and you will get a good measure of the guy. Do you really believe
"Craig:Othmar asked for nothing you idiot,
I happened to mention to part of the organizing committee that Othmar was going to be in Europe, competing in the Finn Europeans, returning just in time for the first race. Given the distance he was going to travel, there was a possibility we might miss the qualifying races if there was a travel problem, and a two time Olympic Finn veteran would have to be in the B fleet."
I do not think for a second that "Craig" just took it upon himself to ask in Othmar's place. Should we suspend all reason and think that Othmar just happened to look at his calender and notice that the two events overlap.
Anyway, my apologies for this becoming somewhat of a rant, but the arrogance of it chaps my hide. I will be there practicing before the World's and competing during all the races, I hope Othmar can make it, because as another poster mentioned, he is going to catch some heat all week.
Regards,
Crew
Sounds like he may have not been the only one with that idea.
From someone anonymously chucking a grenade at ANYONE, it sounds like a one sided axe to grind deal. As mentioned, I only have had one positive experience sailing against Othmar; he could be a complete dickhead at the Wednesday night races in Annapolis for all I know. But that's not the point, I'm not defending him personally.
The point is that it is yet another anonymous potshot at someone without backup or substantiation, much like the whole Ken Read bashing thread that went down a few months back. Slurs, no verifiable facts or names from the people slinging the shit. Strikes me as cowardly bullhiht, that's all.
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Posted 10 May 2004 - 01:22 PM
How strict will the measurement be?
When the Waterline boats were first built, they were measured in, allowed to race without a step in the cabin and WITH dyform standing rigging! This is clearly against class rules, yet the class measured them in.
What gives on that issue?
When the Waterline boats were first built, they were measured in, allowed to race without a step in the cabin and WITH dyform standing rigging! This is clearly against class rules, yet the class measured them in.
What gives on that issue?
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Posted 10 May 2004 - 01:25 PM
What the fuck is "DYFORM Standing rigging?"
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Posted 10 May 2004 - 01:38 PM
Guest, on May 10 2004, 01:25 PM, said:
What the fuck is "DYFORM Standing rigging?"
Follow the link on the Hall site for "wire" to get an explaination.
Dyform Rigging
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Posted 10 May 2004 - 01:42 PM
Right Coast, on May 10 2004, 02:45 AM, said:
What I find comical is that some jackass is dissin' the guy because he did not "medal" in the Olympics.
How many medals do you have?
How many medals do you have?
Now that is the most perceptive comment I have seen in days!
HA!
R.
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Posted 10 May 2004 - 01:50 PM
First of all I think Guest needs to calm down. Someone mentioned fights and intentional collisions. Get a clue!
Having competed in the J22 class for a few years including a recent NA and World event I can tell you first hand the competition on the water is as hard as it gets. Of course there is a lot of attitude on the water, but wake up it's a world event! However, I have NEVER seen any intentional collisions, (some stupid ones, but not intentional) or fights on land.
Yes, you'll see some guys w/huge egos, but welcome to the big leagues. Chances are their egos will match their ability and if you can even hang w/them on the water then you are too good of a sailor to be tossing out anon shit on this board.
Oh and quit bitchin about new boats vs. old boats and the legality of the new ones. It's clear the old ones hold no speed advantage over older hulls. Just check event standings for proof.
Four things for sure about this event.
1) The top 15 is a total toss up.
2) The parties will be legendary.
3) I wish I could be there!
4) The South Africans now how to have fun. If you have a chance to meet any "out of towners" have a beer or 10 w/them.
Having competed in the J22 class for a few years including a recent NA and World event I can tell you first hand the competition on the water is as hard as it gets. Of course there is a lot of attitude on the water, but wake up it's a world event! However, I have NEVER seen any intentional collisions, (some stupid ones, but not intentional) or fights on land.
Yes, you'll see some guys w/huge egos, but welcome to the big leagues. Chances are their egos will match their ability and if you can even hang w/them on the water then you are too good of a sailor to be tossing out anon shit on this board.
Oh and quit bitchin about new boats vs. old boats and the legality of the new ones. It's clear the old ones hold no speed advantage over older hulls. Just check event standings for proof.
Four things for sure about this event.
1) The top 15 is a total toss up.
2) The parties will be legendary.
3) I wish I could be there!
4) The South Africans now how to have fun. If you have a chance to meet any "out of towners" have a beer or 10 w/them.
