[Pete M]

oh Jeez, bad day at Blackrock for Martin / Nelson. Tied for first going into today

A big well done to Morgan / Trev. A day to go too.


Series Place Sail No Country Owner Crew Series Points Race 1 Race 2 Race 3 Race 4 Race 5 Race 6
1 8854 USA Larson Baylis 10 1 2 1 3 3 3
2 8714 USA Martin Nelson 25 3 1 2 1 19 18
3 8266 USA Hamlin Alarie 26 2 4 12 6 7 7
4 8762 USA Thompson Zinn 32 5 6 13 2 15 6


505 worlds results

What was the breeze?

Nice collection of good sailors there... The Buchan's get a 1 & 4 today to move up.

Baylis has the I14 world title in 2002, the 18 world title 2 months later (with Martin & Hamlin) and now the 505 world title with Larson. fairly good crew.....What's next?

[505er]

Conditions:

Grey/overcast, first race was lightish and reasonably flat water, second race had more chop and also marginal trapezing. Not enough pressure to wire run, so most of the day was under 8 or 9 knots.

Interesting shifts!

Mike Martin/Jeff Nelson were 19, 18 for the day, while Larson/Baylis were 3,3 to break the tie and win the worlds for Morgan Larson/Trevor Baylis with a race to go.

Hamlin/Alarie went 7,7 to pull within a point of Martin/Nelson. Thompson/Zinn are 6 points further back.

Carol and Carl Buchan were 1,4 for the day (winning the day) pulling them up to 10th overall.

Complete results at:

http://scyc.org/505/...ampions-os.html

More photos (from yesterday) at:

http://www.505worlds...(lphotos8).html

Alexander "Ali" Meller
505s 7200, 8776, 7080

[Brettmx]

When is the discussion about the Kahn's going to start?. There was a study done about folks that made it to the top of their sport or profession. Basically the conclusion was it takes on average 10 years to make it to the elite level of any endevour. So if "shark" doesn't burn out he could be at the top by his 20's. Have to wait and see.

[yachtie2k4]

mm, didnt arthur brett do the contender worlds in like 1-2 yrs, in a old boat, everyone said he would take like 5-10 yrs to do it, then he won it the yr after at his home club with his own boat.

[Chris in Santa Cruz, CA]

I'm going out today to spectate and take some pictures at 1230 PDT. There's room on the boat for a couple of others if anyone is interested.

[505er]

Re. Discussion about the Kahns....

Well the Kahns are currently 64th and 71st out of 102 teams. But Morgan Larson works with Pegasus Racing (I think on their Farr 40 program, and NOT on their 505 program) and there was a Pegaus Racing sticker on Larson/Baylis' mainsail part way through the worlds. So Pegasus Racing considers Morgan and Trevor to be part of the Pegasus Racing team and is proud of their result. Trevor has pointed out to me that he and Morgan were independant of Pegasus Racing, having Waterat build them their own custom Waterat 505, and making their own rig and gear choices, but that they did benefit from working with Pegasus Racing.

Certainly Pegasus Racing has been working hard on 505s, with naval architecture firms trying to develop a faster hull shape (within relatively tight class rules), lots of talented sailors working on them, and some very original thinking allowing an ultra-high aspect ratio centreboard. But I don't think that boat (only one of the Pegasus Racing-developed 505s is racing, the Kahns themselves are racing new Rondars) has been fast at this event. Perhaps they tried too many things, or created a boat that is simply too critical to sail, and hard to tune.

As for the Kahns themselves, well.... to my knowledge no one has ever jumped into the 505 and started out at the top of the class. Morgan and Trevor have been in and out of the class over the years (I first met Trevor at the 1981 worlds where he crewed for Larry Tuttle and finished 6th). Morgan/Trevor won the PCCs a couple of years ago, and Morgan talked at the NAs prize presentation about PRO Dave Wahle getting him into 505s 15 years ago.

In the USA the fastest ascents to the top of the class have probably been Steve Benjamin/Tucker Edmunson and J B Braun/Bill Kenney. Steve Benjamin/Tucker Edmuson were Fireball World champions and Steve had been racing 470s when he got into 505s. It took them over year to get to the top of the class, and they won the 1980 worlds. JB Braun/Bill Kenney took about a year to get to the point where they won a 505 North Americans. They were Flying Dutchman Olympic campaigners but did not win a trials. I think they were about 10th at a 505 worlds.

Actually, if the class kept all the names of top sailors who tried to win the worlds but never did, it would be a VERY LONG list, with lots of world champions in other classes, Olympic medalists, etc.

So basically getting to the top of the 505 class is very hard, takes a lot of talent and a lot of hard work, the right team and so on. It turns out that the top teams are VERY good. And despite the great resources Pegasus Racing brings to the game, it was not enough to get the Kahns to the front of the fleet this time. But who knows. Another year of practice and high end coaching, another year of hull, sails, rig and foil development, and they may be able to do better next time.

Alexander "Ali" Meller
505s 7200, 8776, 7080
currently in 28th...

[Pete M]

Final results are up

Larson & Baylis win, don't sail last race

Hamlin & Alarie jump to 2nd, Martin & Nelson back up further to 3rd.

Series Place Sail No Country Owner Crew Series Points Race 1 Race 2 Race 3 Race 4 Race 5 Race 6 Race 7
1 8854 USA Larson Baylis 13 1 2 1 3 3 3 103
2 8266 USA Hamlin Alarie 31 2 4 12 6 7 7 5
3 8714 USA Martin Nelson 35 3 1 2 1 19 18 10
4 8762 USA Thompson Zinn 40 5 6 13 2 15 6 8
5 8834 GBR Pinnell Hunt 47 103 23 4 5 10 2 3


505 worlds Final results

Kahn & the other Kahn finish up 67 & 68

[SW Dropout]

Just got back from SC. The Kahns had their moments, and like Ali said, it's rare to jump in to the boat and be at the top of the class. What was more interesting is that their R&D boat (8857, the one with the crazy board, carbon cap on the cb truck, other mods) was not quick. Don't know anything about the guys sailing it, though one would think that two guys on the payroll would be decently quick. So much for reinventing the wheel...at least with limited time to play with the boat.

[another 505 sailor]

The conditions were very challenging, several talented 505 sailors in the fleet, and the guys on the r&d boat are new to the 505, and I don't know how much dinghy experience they have. Mark Christensen was the skipper, and no one can say he's not a great keelboat sailor. Harry Dunning was the crew, and designer from RP who did the redesign work on the boat.

It would be interesting to see Morgan and Trevor race the new Pegasus boat. I bet they'd be competitive.

[Chris in Santa Cruz, CA]

I saw the race on Friday last, motoring up the center of the course well ahead of the fleet. Very interesting racing in light air with the fleet splitting on the first beat way into the corners. The beat was so long that it seemed many boats lost track of whether they were being headed or not. The rabbit start was also something to see with 100 boats. Nice day for sailing in Santa Cruz. I took a few pictures and will post some int he next day or so.

One of the really successful TP52's and one of the new Goetz built TP52's were in the yard being prepped for the BBS so I got to get a good look at the successful one. Really cool boat inside and out. Everything is simple and clearly marked on deck. Very spacious cockpit. Looks easy to sail. The whole cabin sole comes out and is made of modular kevlar foam core plates. Very light. In fact, everything is very light. Kevlar sink (small). Very spartan. The head looks like an afterthought and not for the modest. I was really impressed. Lots of clever little touches. Built for speed and ease of use for sure.

They were putting the keel on the other TP52 so I didn't get inside it.

[SW Dropout]

There were a lot of "secret weapons" on the boat, in that it seems to be one of the few 505s that someone thought about before building it. But their best weapon is that they're just fast and faster.

And yes, the kelp window would reveal kelp on the board so you could pull it up (and hope it doesn't drift backwards onto the rudder). Otherwise, you're left like we were, feeling slow sometimes, thinking it's kelp without knowing for sure, pulling the board up quickly, sideslipping, possibly for no reason if there wasn't anything there. Good thing to have in Santa Cruz...not sure if you'd need it at a lot of other venues though.

[Jesse Falsone]

There's nothing on Trevor and Morgan's boat that was "secret". Their boat was always open for everyone to see. As always in the 505 class, the best boats incorporate a number of subtle changes that can amount to larger gains around the track. Much of what Trevor sought to do was make the boat easier to sail, and this is a smart thing to do in the 505. Their boat will be showcased in a forthcoming issue of Sailing World in the "What the Winners Used" column.,

[another 505 sailor]

actually it's a gybing centerboard.
Just like the Mac26X