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I've been asked the following question: "I have owned 6 sail boats. Some, but not all have had the main halyard running down the starboard side of the mast which I prefer. Is there a standard side of the mast for main halyards to be winched or cleted on and a standard side of the mast for tha jib halyard to run?"
As far as I know there isn't a standard. However, probably headsail halyards are often on the port side....is this due to rounding marks to port?
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Halyards on which side?
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Posted 20 September 2004 - 03:10 PM
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Posted 20 September 2004 - 03:25 PM
J/130, on Sep 20 2004, 03:20 PM, said:
My main halyard runs down the port side, along with the 2nd jib halyard. The primary jib and spin halyards run down the starboard side...
My 3 boat mains had 2 port one stbd.
spin hlyrds one on each side.
dont think it matters where the main is.
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Posted 20 September 2004 - 03:34 PM
J/130, on Sep 20 2004, 11:20 AM, said:
The primary jib and spin halyards run down the starboard side...
You want to have them like this so at mark roundings the mastman doesn't have go to the leeward rail to jump the halyards. We have always made this change on any boat we sail on. Don't know if anyone else agrees or not, always works great for us.
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Posted 20 September 2004 - 03:38 PM
In the old days of external halyards & mast mounted winches, certain halyards had to be on certain sides to lead to the winch without chafing on the spreader bases. So the main & spi halyards, coming down the front of the mast, hadd to lead to the stbd winch. Same for jib halyard, leading down aft side meant it could only go to port winch. With internal halyards & deck mounted winches the choice is (almost) entirely up to you as to where the halyards kead. Just don't tie any knots inside the mast.
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Posted 20 September 2004 - 03:40 PM
oldskool, on Sep 20 2004, 11:34 AM, said:
You want to have them like this so at mark roundings the mastman doesn't have go to the leeward rail to jump the halyards. We have always made this change on any boat we sail on. Don't know if anyone else agrees or not, always works great for us.
We also changed my boat so that the port-side spinnaker halyd is hoisted from the stbd side. Mast man raises halyard from the windward side, while keeping weight up high.
Great way to go and easy to change - all you need is a bosun's chair and a wire shirt hanger to make the swap.
Concerning the jib and main halyards - I don't see a reason to change them to another side. Since you don't have a need for high-side weight when raising either the jib or main, keep them where they are.
My two cents.
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Posted 20 September 2004 - 03:43 PM
FWIW, (and on Sailing Anarchy, not much, I expect) nautical tradition calls for the main halyard to be on the starboard side, for ease of raising and lowering and reefing sails on Starboard tack. From that, on simple boats, you tended to get jibs on the port side. (one to a side)
From a practical point of view for boats optimized for around the bouy racing with standard port roundings, you put a Spinn (Center) halyard on the starboard side, next to the main, so that as you come down the windward approach to the rounding, the guy who's jumping the halyard's on the windward side of the boat. That leads you to keeping the Jib halyard(s) on the port side. Where nicely enough, in a classic round the bouys race, you want to have your bowman/mastman jumping the jib back up as you come into the leeeward mark, chute up, on part tack.
Now, on a lot of modern designs, where the main goes is pretty irrelevent. We don't reef, much, we haul the main up once, underpower, and leave it up, and play the cunnginham for luff tension on the sail. That said, it's really nice when the strings are in traditional places, if only because it makes it easier when I hop on a boat and want to go sailing. :-)
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From a practical point of view for boats optimized for around the bouy racing with standard port roundings, you put a Spinn (Center) halyard on the starboard side, next to the main, so that as you come down the windward approach to the rounding, the guy who's jumping the halyard's on the windward side of the boat. That leads you to keeping the Jib halyard(s) on the port side. Where nicely enough, in a classic round the bouys race, you want to have your bowman/mastman jumping the jib back up as you come into the leeeward mark, chute up, on part tack.
Now, on a lot of modern designs, where the main goes is pretty irrelevent. We don't reef, much, we haul the main up once, underpower, and leave it up, and play the cunnginham for luff tension on the sail. That said, it's really nice when the strings are in traditional places, if only because it makes it easier when I hop on a boat and want to go sailing. :-)
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Posted 20 September 2004 - 04:00 PM
longy, on Sep 20 2004, 03:38 PM, said:
In the old days of external halyards & mast mounted winches, certain halyards had to be on certain sides to lead to the winch without chafing on the spreader bases. So the main & spi halyards, coming down the front of the mast, hadd to lead to the stbd winch. Same for jib halyard, leading down aft side meant it could only go to port winch. With internal halyards & deck mounted winches the choice is (almost) entirely up to you as to where the halyards kead. Just don't tie any knots inside the mast.
Ditto.
Just be sure the internals clear the spreader base hardware inside.
Some spars have a bar inside connecting the spreaders, especially if there is any chance of the spreader being torqued aft by the upper, as on a Sonar. This means the internal halyards must be on the correct side of the bar to prevent chafe and friction as the spar bends upwind.
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Posted 20 September 2004 - 04:07 PM
Spin halyard on starboard - as noted above this keeps the weight on the winward side if going buoys to port.
Primary jib halyard on port side so if you are doing a headsail change you can set up for an inside hoist on starboard tack. Life is easier if you don't have right-of-way issues half way through the change, and inside hoists are faster to set up.
Primary jib halyard on port side so if you are doing a headsail change you can set up for an inside hoist on starboard tack. Life is easier if you don't have right-of-way issues half way through the change, and inside hoists are faster to set up.
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Posted 20 September 2004 - 04:35 PM
J/130, on Sep 20 2004, 03:20 PM, said:
My main halyard runs down the port side, along with the 2nd jib halyard. The primary jib and spin halyards run down the starboard side...
Same - for my last 3 boats too.
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Posted 20 September 2004 - 06:21 PM
our 7.9 has the main and green halyards on port, red halyard on starboard. both headsail halyards go to the top of the forestay.
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Posted 20 September 2004 - 07:14 PM
main - by itself -cleating at or near the base of the mast
jib - port side. so when you come out of the mark (usually on port tack), you can adjust the jib halyard from the high side, if you didn't guess right on halyard tension on the hoist
spin - cleats onto starboard side of mast. raise spin from windward side on a typical starboard tack mark rounding.
LOCK THE THREAD
jib - port side. so when you come out of the mark (usually on port tack), you can adjust the jib halyard from the high side, if you didn't guess right on halyard tension on the hoist
spin - cleats onto starboard side of mast. raise spin from windward side on a typical starboard tack mark rounding.
LOCK THE THREAD
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Posted 20 September 2004 - 07:22 PM
When I got my Ranger, the main was ans till is on the starboard side with the jib on the portside. I added an asymetric so I put the spin halyard to starboard and the tack downhaul on the portside. I don't know but that's the way that seemed right for what I wanted. I'm trimming the downhaul and I didn't want to knock the halyard loose so I kept them seprate.
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Posted 20 September 2004 - 08:13 PM
7.9 sailor, on Sep 20 2004, 06:21 PM, said:
our 7.9 has the main and green halyards on port, red halyard on starboard. both headsail halyards go to the top of the forestay.
that makes all the sense in the world
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Posted 20 September 2004 - 08:39 PM
Crank Boy, on Sep 20 2004, 12:13 PM, said:
7.9 sailor, on Sep 20 2004, 06:21 PM, said:
our 7.9 has the main and green halyards on port, red halyard on starboard. both headsail halyards go to the top of the forestay.
that makes all the sense in the world
That is completely wrong. The red halyard has to be on the port and the green has to be on the starboard side. It will never work the way he has it set up.
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Posted 20 September 2004 - 09:03 PM
S2 7.9 sailor has it right. As delivered, the main halyard is to port, also the red, portside jib halyard. The green starboard halyard comes down on starboard, next to the centerboard hoist. There is no spinnaker halyard as such, we all use the port side jib halyard. So, as many anarchist have already noticed, many of us 7.9 types cross these halyards in the mast so that the red, port halyard that we use for the spinnaker, leads to the starboard side of the boat. Keep your crew to the windward side.
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Posted 20 September 2004 - 09:07 PM
explenture, on Sep 20 2004, 03:10 PM, said:
I've been asked the following question: "I have owned 6 sail boats. Some, but not all have had the main halyard running down the starboard side of the mast which I prefer. Is there a standard side of the mast for main halyards to be winched or cleted on and a standard side of the mast for tha jib halyard to run?"
As far as I know there isn't a standard. However, probably headsail halyards are often on the port side....is this due to rounding marks to port?
As far as I know there isn't a standard. However, probably headsail halyards are often on the port side....is this due to rounding marks to port?
Forgot. this is Frisco..
Main Halyard on port side + Gay
Main Halyard on Stbd = straight
Main Halyard in middle means your ass hurts
Spin halyards boths sides meanas you go both ways
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Posted 21 September 2004 - 01:50 PM
I've got 6 in-mast lines.
Main, Stbd wing, and topping lift come down on Stbd side.
Center, Port wing, and checkstays come down on Port side.
Main, Stbd wing, and topping lift come down on Stbd side.
Center, Port wing, and checkstays come down on Port side.
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Posted 21 September 2004 - 04:19 PM
PNWGuy, on Sep 20 2004, 11:31 AM, said:
Main and Spin hal on Stbd, Genoa and 2nd spin hal on Port.
yep- spin on high side for bear aways
jib on prt for roundings- thats where you want the weight 99% of the time
minor divergence- but we dont have a 2nd spin; but 2nd jib on stb
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Posted 24 September 2004 - 06:47 AM
I go with PNW guy. Hounds kite to Stb. to be to winward for jumping it. Mast head kite to port because we only use it under about 12 knots true breeze so weight to weather at mark roundings not so critical. Jib to port because ...?
The main halyard is to Stb. because if I ever want to throw a reef in or out I want to be on Stb. tack. (single line reefing lead to Stb with jammer in boom).
The main halyard is to Stb. because if I ever want to throw a reef in or out I want to be on Stb. tack. (single line reefing lead to Stb with jammer in boom).
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