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  1. 29 points
    <long answer> I think you have the wrong end of the stick, old chap. Think about the owners and crews, not the boats. Admiral's Cup, for example. When else could you have 600+ mostly brand new 39 to 53 foot race boats battling it out all across the world every 2 years to be selected as one of their nation's 3-boat team? 57 offshore racing boats were sent to Cowes from everywhere, Japan, Australia, Argentina, USA, Canada, New Guinea, you name it, sailed by about 800 mostly amateur sailors, inshore and offshore. Boats designed by dozens of different naval architects, yet all to a common rule. And designed to go offshore, and frequently delivered home afterwards across an ocean. If you think IOR boats were pigs to sail downwind, try the metre classes. Lovely upwind (like most IOR boats) but they reach a terminal velocity downhill and thereafter get plenty of water on deck if it's windy. Look at any of the 1987 Perth videos. Yet almost every surviving 12-metre has been restored and races regularly. 8-metres, 6-metres and 5.5s have very competitive national and world championships, many new boats are being built to multiple designs, and sailed mostly by amateur sailors. And the rule is mostly 40 years older than the IOR. Pretty boats for sure, but a real handful to sail well, just like their later cousins. It's not about the rule. It was simply something that every weekend warrior could get out and do, and get some hard sailing in, round the cans and offshore. Tens of thousands of sailors would be out on the water every weekend, worldwide, and if they were good and willing, could move up into the bigger boats, and eventually Admiral's Cuip. We used to get 50 one-tonners at the Worlds, and 50 half-tonners for class 4 in Cowes Week, most of whom went on to do the Fastnet afterwards. I did my first one in a half-tonner, a 27-footer. Stop complaining. It's part of the history that's continued into our modern sport, and has largely enabled it. </long answer>
  2. 20 points
    I love IOR. Grew up as a skinny kid and then teenager in Hampshire late 70's early 80's. Worked as a yard rat in a small boat building yard in Emsworth. Spent my summers walking the docks and floats around Chichester Harbour, Portsmouth, Hamble, Cowes, Yarmouth etc. Getting whatever ride I could. One of my favourite memories caught on film too. Wish I could find the pic. I'm on bow, we go into a gybe when the boat does a weather broach to starboard. No pole clipped. Boat goes over and I go over with it. Keith, (pretty famous bloke it turns out), the driver, recovers the broach but can't gybe 'coz the bow guy isn't there. I've grabbed a lazy guy and I'm clambering back on the boat at the transom. Keith turns to me and says, what the fcuk are you doing back here? We need to gybe. NOW! God I miss the screaming.
  3. 18 points
    Hi ya'll. Well this is a son of a bitch. I've weathered a lot of shit and discomfort in my life but this is a MF.....and I would classify my case as moderate. I can't imagine those who become critical.......oh my god.............. So I'm a bit improved but not out of the woods. I'm at day 5 of symptoms. Vitals and overall condition are okay the last couple mornings. Afternoons are a different story. Fever/shakes and low O2 levels, tachycardia, aches - big time - and that persists in waves until bedtime. Still soaking the sheets at night requiring a wash every morning. Zero appetite and have lost 8 pounds so far. I don't recommend it as a weight loss strategy. I didn't have too much to lose anyway. A little chest tightness on and off and a cough that wanders in and leaves periodically. Complete exhaustion all the time. I get winded walking up the stairs. Still I don't judge I'm critical and can weather it at home if it does not get any worse. I will have to be on deaths door before I go to the hospital. So far as contact tracing.......no. Several reasons......1) the number of cases has prompted our local public health to pretty much stop the tracing effort. They just don't have the staff. 2) I've not been tested, I have concluded I have it based on symptoms, but I'm pretty darn sure. Somewhere downstream after I recover I'll get antibody testing so I can donate plasma if positive for antibodies. So far as public health folks, I doubt they would say anything but "well...stay home just in case". 3) Lastly we have assiduously "stayed at home" and social distanced since late Feb and masks also from...I'd guess mid March onward. Only have been to the grocery store and twice the hardware store since then and always wore a mask. There is literally no-one to warn about the suspected illness to. So.........hanging in there. I've had a number of friends (20ish) test positive including an ER Doc. (Remember most of my friends are Firefighters, Doc's and Nurses so its an artificially higher risk group than the average person) Most had a milder course than mine, one is dead, one is going on 3 weeks intubated and critical. I doubt at this point he'll make it. It could be worse...........way worse. I thank the universe every morning I wake up without a tube in my throat.
  4. 18 points
    For my sins, I have been sailing for over 60 years now and have raced under IOR, IMS, JOG, Channel Handicap, IRC, JOG, Performance Handicapping and everything else that was ever promoted. Inshore, Offshore, dinghies and keel boats both plain and radical and plenty of One-Designs too. Without question, the very best, closest, most competitive and most enjoyable yacht racing I ever did was IOR Level Rating racing. I know I can't impart that experience to those who have come along later; you had to be there. Those who were there know what I mean.
  5. 16 points
    Apologize for what? Apologize that the justice dept. has become as corrupt under Donald Trump's admin. as the rest of the fed Govt.? OK, I apologize.
  6. 14 points
  7. 14 points
    IOR/Admirals Cup/SORC was awesome because it was near the pinnacle of the sailing world at the time and felt attainable. Highest level of racing in the world and a lot of people could see the pictures in the magazines and say "I could do that". Same with America's Cup for the most part. All of it translated pretty directly to things you did on Wednesday nights. That doesn't exist anymore. Not only are the modern grand prix level stuff for monohulls fractured between the TP52s, the RC44, IC37s and what not; now you have the multis with all their circuits and such. And don't get me started on the America's Cup in which the actual sailing experience is damn near unattainable for 99.99% of us out there. So yeah, glorifying the IOR era is real for a lot of people. I don't think anyone is saying its was better sailing, but it probably was a better time.
  8. 13 points
    Running repairs on the foil (ON the foil ...!)
  9. 13 points
    A zero rating was set for PHRF to count down from as that was the fastest a boat could be expected to go. Now, around there, the -90 group is having fun at the front of the fleet (when not just moving on to ORC), and the occasional cat or tri shows up at -125. When Ellison's AC tri was playing around here people were estimating that it would rate about -400 or something. That's when ToT handicapping REALLY doesn't work! I've posted this before - best shot I ever took when riding the bow.
  10. 13 points
    I'm with you. It was a great time to be a teenage dock-rat. C&C half-tonner one weekend. Choate-40 the next. The occasional gig on an Ericson-46 or two-tonner in between. Getting a gig on a competitive boat for BBS or LBRW or SDYC made one the envy of the local club crowd. getting on a boat for Clipper Cup or SORC or beyond made you a demigod. IMO ,there's just nothing out there today that compares with scale and grandeur of the ocean-racing scene in the IOR era .... so many programs, from club-level to international, if you were motivated and good you could go pretty much anywhere and get on a boat. Yeah, they could be a mess downwind. And, yeah, they never could get out of their own wave-train, no matter how hard you pushed the hole in the water just got deeper. But the racing was great, the new designs and gadgets coming out every year kept things interesting, as a bow-guy the permutations involved keeping four masthead halyards straight with kite+blooper+staysail+fraculator while planning for a likely gibe-and-peel at the corner... great stuff. I'm glad I *didn't* miss it.
  11. 12 points
    I sprung for the dollar 5 years ago while he was still getting his degree in Rome. SKAL was the typical $1 boat. For sale for a few K but no takers. Price went down then the PO bought another boat and realized, he had a liability on his hands. Our son and friends sailed the dickens out of it during summer breaks. Nothing was done to it, just sailed. He named it NAMO as he's fluent in Italian from his studies, but the name never stuck like the vinyl SKAL that's still there. Oh yeah, SKAL is an O'Day Outlaw from the 60's. A Philip Rhodes design. Last season, our son was full into a real job in finance in Boston. We decided not to launch SKAL as he'd have no time to use it. SKAL, after the spring boatyard shuffle, ended up in the dreaded 'back row' Everybody knows, when a boat gets to the back row, it rarely ever comes out,...at least not in one piece. SKAL is the weathered coaming in the foreground. Enter the great Pandemic of 2020. Young Tom is working remotely, on full salary, and living across the street from us in Maine. He and good friend Harry, also a life long sailor, think SKAL needs a bit of work as it may get some use this season. Harry was part of the scrapping crew last weekend in the boatyard less than 2 miles down the road. Tom and Harry go way back: A nasty little boat inside, SKAL, a great sailor has some serious faults besides peeling paint. It's greatest fault is how much rainwater gets below. In fact - and it's a bit of a mystery why - a rainfall of 1 to 2" will threaten to sink the boat (I've pumped it enough times). But never mind that, the boys are more concerned with aesthetics. While Harry and help scrapped below, Harry's girlfriend who works with her sister in her fathers copper roofing and fabricating biz, took to stripping and sanding the sole which is often afloat in the cabin. She is the only pro on the project. They picked up some acrylic from Home Cheapo for new ports. They've be overlayed on the old openings. While the yard crew worked Tom cut these out. I don't offer too much advice. Dad advice can bog you down and is usually more than you need (I was a son once). But I dropped everything and made cuts on the table saw while he cut on the bandsaw. An old tape container filled with screws was the perfect radius for the corners. I got swept up in the enthusiasm and committed myself to solving the sinking mystery. SKAL has an 8 foot cockpit. As well as party all your friends across the bay, it's a large rain catchment area. Plus the bench seats are canted down - aft, which collects tons of rain. There is a formed gutter at the base of the coamings. See the drains, 2 black specs? Here's my theory: Once the black specs clog (2 hairs and a piece of beer bottle label), the rain collects on the benches. It finds the gutter around the 2 seat lockers. Because the gutters are not deep enough, the rain water collects on the back of the gutters. Fair enough, O'Day put another black spec sized hole to drain it away. So that one clogs too, no doubt. Even if it doesn't a substantial rain will overwhelm these drains. What happens when those clog? I deduce, the rain simply finds the lowest point around the seat gutter, and cascades over the gutter and into the boat below. A good rain will have the sole boards floating and you pumping for a solid 10 minutes with the smaller whale gusher bilge pump. Rhodes designed a nice stack to drain the side decks. I wonder if he had a better idea but the builder did their own design? After the first season, I advised my son to replace the tiny hoses. Maybe that helped but the problem persists. My plan is to re-plumb the cockpit drains to the next size, 2X if I can fit something in the gutters. We'll see. This 're-fit' will not have dramatic before and after pictures. There is little hope for a $1 dollar boat, I'm afraid. The primary reason for me is to keep SKAL servicable and floating so that it may be passed on to another 'kid'. We all know (and I'm afraid my son and Harry know this as well), you're just around the corner from the next $1 dollar boat these days. And it will be bigger and better. It's a great sailing little boat. It just lacks a following like a Pearson Ensign or similar, that it is doubtful a passionate owner will be found and a full restoration will ever happen. But we can hope.
  12. 11 points
    This article isn’t about whether umpires or judges are good or bad at all. It’s about whether the game ‘needs’ more umpiring or judging. Leave the racing to the racers. The starting point for the discussion, I suggest should be what the RRS expect. RRS Basic Principles Sportsmanship and the Rules says, right up front: Competitors in the sport of sailing are governed by a body of rules that they are expected to follow and enforce It doesn’t say ‘rules that are enforced by race officials’. If that isn’t enough, Case 39 tells us: The primary responsibility for enforcing the rules lies with the competitors. The fact that we have invented certain forms of the game that cannot be played without umpires (Match and Team Racing), and the fact that WS, and their marketing and media advisors have persuaded themselves that TV Audiences need instant gratification and ‘Umpired Medal Races’ says absolutely nothing about the needs of more or better official interference in the way everyday racers race their boats. Certainly, the sport has its share of egomanics who don’t care about rules or in some classes think that they are so important and ‘elite’ that they can choose to save themselves the bother of the protest process and ‘contract out’ their consciences to on-water umpires. I don’t think that that’s a good way for the game to go. Articles like this do nothing to help the game. By spreading false slogans like ‘No Flag no Foul’ they make matters worse, and by advocating more on-water umpiring, in fact encourage a trend to ‘play to the whistle’, which ultimately could end up with race fleets behaving like 8 year olds soccer teams, running this way and that, waiting for the whistle to tell them how to behave. The role of race officials is not to ‘keep people honest on the race track’ or to enforce the rules. That is the competitors’ job. The role of judges and umpires is to decide protests brought before them by the established protest processes. We have a carefully crafted set of rules, based on a self enforcement principle. If competitors choose not to use the protest process that is their business. By all means encourage people to protest, and provide efficient fair protest committees but we don’t need more race official interference and motor boats and whistles. Leave the racing to the racers.
  13. 11 points
    You now have the trophy for dumbest thing posted on this forum this year.
  14. 10 points
    The boats live and are more fun.
  15. 10 points
    Yes, it was lots of fun, particularly for us itinerant boat jockeys. Cowes, Sydney, SORC, Hawaii, Sardinia and about everywhere else too. And some magic deliveries on the big boats. Bashing uphill with a number 5 jib and two reefs, the only decisions were which kite to carry for the next leg, and do we do a bear-away set or gybe set. Or the miraculous race-winning tack-gybe-set if it was a starboard rounding. And which staysail to plug in afterwards. I know I sound like a cracked record, but it really was a metric shed-load of fun.
  16. 10 points
    Speaking of foils(!):
  17. 10 points
    I never bother cheating when I race, cause I would lose anyways, and then I'd be known as a loser and a cheater. I can only take so much ridicule.
  18. 9 points
  19. 9 points
    Still running mast-head cameras, drone in attendance
  20. 9 points
    Awww, snowflake, don't be angry! It's not your fault that nothing is nearly as interesting in today's sailing world as Grand Prix IOR racing was in ours. I'm sure you have a lovely shelf full of participation awards in your mom's basement, from a lot of really scary 2-hour races on a cookie-cutter sport boat. There's no shame in that. Here's some crayons and a puppy to help you feel better...
  21. 9 points
    For a couple of years I thought Trump was the problem but increasingly I am thinking that the problem is actually that there are just so many dumb American voters who eat up this sort of crap. There seems to an almost complete lack of critical thinking skills. Trump is just the symptom of the underlying problem. All you need is to look at the some of the posters on PA.
  22. 9 points
    Spotted them from my apartment in the city. Low quality due to max zoom.
  23. 8 points
    He's a relative newbie Matagi and by the time you have reached my age he will have to work harder to be considered rude My first sailing mentor stopped sailing when he was 85 - dead at 86 so i have decided not to stop sailing
  24. 8 points
    Really? Being investigated, having a trial, then being declared guilty isn't a process? Then having a political appointee step in and nullify the entire process isn't going to outcome rather than process? You're a fuckwit who doesn't even understand the words coming out of your mouth.
  25. 8 points
    I am going to post what I always post when this type of thread comes up: These old boats got more people out racing than anything that came after. In our wildest dreams in 2020 we'll never see the numbers from back then.

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