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  1. 11 points
    I might be wrong, but I don’t think there is much Megabyte class activity, so conforming to the class rules is kind of irrelevant. You want a little boat that is fun to sail which doesn’t have a mast that breaks and leaves you drifting into the middle of the Pacific. The Megabyte isn’t really a product. Zim has made a few, but it is a pimple on their ass. They got the Megabyte when they bought the assets from PS2000 and have maybe sold 3 in the last 5 years. The spars are made by Forte, and aren’t core business for them either. So you may have had the impression that the Megbyte was something like the Laser of you past, supported by sales volume in the millions of dollars with all the R&D, QC and other associated letters, it really is nothing of the sort. These Bethwaite inspired masts that require very bendy tips to achieve appropriate leech response are hard to get right and often are operating at the limit of fiberstrain. Julian is so particular in achieving just the right bend, that it is hard to manufacture spars so close to the limits. I lost lots of skin in the 49er game on this very issue. The Forte/Van Dusen braiding technique also has its particular limitations. The braided doesn’t necessarily permit the blend of axial and off axis fiber to achieve both the flex characteristics and durability. As suggested above, this isn’t something someone is going to spend the time on to get fully dialed in, more like” that otta work-shoot from the hip-because we are pricing this like a production product not a custom project-even though it isn’t -having to set up the machines to run one mast is a full on pain in my ass-is costing me money.” I think you ought to talk to Forte about a new tube, tell them where the last two have broken and have them modify the laminate to make it stronger. Rig it yourself using hardware from the two broken rigs. You may need to put stiffer battens in the sail to flatten things up top. This should make getting the sail to pop easier as well Or talk to CST or Killwell about making you tube based on their OK dinghy or other freestanding dinghy mast designs. In summery, keep the boat you like. Give up on buying “class approved” masts from the class suppliers. SHC
  2. 10 points
    When I was a kid my skipper taught me that it was the boat's job to protect the sailor from the sea. It was the sailor's job to protect the boat from the land.
  3. 9 points
    Ishmael....can you translate this for me please ? "I'm sitting at home in my underwear drinking warm Baby Goose straight out of the bottle. I hate everybody. It's not easy being a bisexual dwarf. Vote to put more money in the pockets of losers like me".
  4. 9 points
    Philip Rhodes Astro is a cool boat to watch sailing. I have to remind myself, this is an 80 year old design. From above the WL, it could be mistaken for a contemporary 'daysailer'. Below, with a long keel and attached rudder, how does it even move?? These kids know the old boat. Their dog kills me, he's the only nervous one onboard. All the summer people have gone home. As their prized yachts await tucking away for the winter, they would be glad to know the local kids use them as gates to run through in our harbor. Lining up Concordia yawls (also a 1938 design)... No sweat (just mind your mast head in the gusts,...). A perfect sail ends at the mooring. Rounding her up below,... Did I hear the girl at the masthead say, "it's a long way to the pick up buoy,...just sayin' ". On the very, very, very,... last bit of way, a long young arm just reaches the wand.. Kids, killin' it,..
  5. 9 points
    If I win the Mega Millions, I'm gonna charter planes and buses to go pick them up and bring them to the farm where I'll have trailer homes and portalets waiting. I'll work with the likes of Green Giant and Del Monte's of the world and document/place them as fast as I can. Like a Berlin airlift. I'm sure the local restaurants and grocery stores won't bitch about me buying all their shit and I don't need a billion dollars. The YMCA will probably let them use their showers. That would be my way of giving the finger I'd so love to give to Trump. I could savor that for a lifetime.
  6. 9 points
    So as soon as became legal all these people immediately started smoking up and driving. Good that they never did it before.
  7. 9 points
    OK, so I will get into the fray, even if I already know I will regret it... Full disclosure: I have been working for the biggest service company in the oil and gas exploration industry (hi Max!) for 27 years. Our clients are the Chevron and BP and Aramco of the world, which sub-contract most of the work to companies like the one I work for and its competitors. And, yes, that includes fracturing (aka fracking); a service I am much familiar with; I have been working most of my career in an organization that design and build equipment (and chemistry, but I am not a chemist) for fracturing services. WARNING: I already know that by the time I am done, it will be a FUCKING LONG POST, so if you have the attention span of a shrimp, don't even bother. I will try below to give first a few basis statement on the oil industry and the fracturing business. I will then try to give a simple didactic (some may say pedantic) explanation of what is truly fracturing, and conclude with the risks associated with fracturing and what can be done to alleviate those risks. So a few facts, confirmation and/or infirmation of a few things said in previous posts: 1) Trump is wrong: yes global warming is real. yes it is man-made and yes it is mostly (but not only) linked to the use of hydrocarbon as a source of energy. 2) Today, about 3/4 of energy production in the world is carbon-based (coal, oil, gas) 3) If you are one of the screaming, foaming-at-the-mouth righteous people lashing out at the oil & gas industry (yes, I am talking about you, Ed), there are only 3 options: - you live like your great-grand parents, prior to WW I - you are at the bottom of the socio-economic ladder in a third world country - you are a hypocrite If you do not agree with this, read again statement 2) 4) Oil & gas will eventually have to go away, but it is still too much of the energy mix to just shut it off and not bring the world as we know it to an end right away. That being said, if we do not do something, it will be the end of the world as we know it pretty darn fast anyway. So even though I work in the oil and gas industry, I fully understand (and agree!) that the sooner we get out of it, the better. Now please allow me to give a (pedantic) explanation of the oil & gas and fracturing business, and the risks associated with it. Consider it a "101 primer" on the topic. OK, looking at the length of the post, it is 101, 102 and 103 combined... Hydrocarbon are the results of a veeeerrrrryyyyy slow chemical transformation (we are talking of geological time frame, here) of "former living matter" under very high pressure and very high temperature. Hydrocarbon may migrate from the "mother rock" where it was formed to another geological formation where we find it today. How can that happen? There are 2 key characteristics that explain it: the rock porosity and permeability. Porosity represent the amount of space in the rock that is not occupied... by rock. Oil or gas takes that "free" space in the rock. Big common mistake: we are NOT talking about caves full of oil or gas!!! But instead of a multitude of microscopic voids throughout the rock. So the higher the porosity of the rock, the more hydrocarbon it can hold. Permeability is the capability for a fluid to "flow" through the rock because of a difference in pressure in different zones. Caution: porosity and permeability are not necessarily correlated; you can have a rock with many microscopic holes, but they do not communicate well with each other (high porosity, but low permeability). You can have a rock with virtually no voids, but with natural cracks (low porosity, but high permeability). So if motion of the fluid in the rock is possible (there is some permeability), the fluid will migrate from a high pressure zone to a lower pressure zone nearby; usually higher, as obviously, the closer to the surface, the less pressure in the rock. Why is it important? Because if we find oil in a specific rock formation, it means that it has an impermeable layer of a different rock above it. If it did not, it would have continued to migrate upward until it found a barrier. When there is no impermeable barrier above, it migrates eventually all the way to the surface and it ends up as a seepage of oil, at surface, as it is found in a few places around the world. So there is a natural impermeable rock barrier above the hydrocarbon deposit that isolates it from the upper rock formations, where resides fresh water. So when we drill a well through the rock formation bearing oil, the pressure inside the well is so low (only hydrostatic pressure) compared to formation pressure that the fluid in the rock porosity tends to migrate toward the well, rushing to surface once inside the well. But if the permeability of the rock is low, the fluid has a hard time to migrate to the well; in other words, the well will be able to draw only from a short radius around the wellbore. To avoid that, either you drill a myriad of vertical wells close to each other so you leave no area untapped (old method), or you drill vertical wells and you "frac" them (conventional method) (I will come back on how we do fracturing), or you drill horizontal wells and you perform multiple frac jobs on the horizontal section of the well (what is call in the industry "unconventional", the method behind the current boom of production in the US). Why horizontal wells? Some of the target area for a well may be only 50 ft thick, but 8000 ft below surface. So to get to the "pay zone", you have to drill through 8000 ft of rock which has no interest to you, then the next 50 ft is what you are after, and drilling further down will not provide any more oil production... This is a lot of "wasted" drilling for a very thin area of interest. If you want to improve the ratio pay-zone length vs. total drilled length for a well, you start vertical and a few hundred feet before you reach the pay zone, you start veering the drilling direction to go from vertical to horizontal. If you calculated and monitored the drilling correctly, you end up drilling horizontally smack in the middle of that 50 ft thick zone you were targetting; as you extend the horizontal drilling section of the well, what was only a 50 ft "poking-through" pay zone in a vertical well can now be a several hundred feet of direct contact with the pay zone, if you can continue drilling horizontally in that oil loaded rock formation. And YES, we can do that; it is called directional drilling. We can "steer" the drillbit to go more to the left, more to the right, more vertical, more horizontal... and measure at the same time to characteristics of the rock, to make sure that we stay in the zone of interest. (but this is more like the 501 or 601 course...) But even with horizontal drilling, in a very "tight" formation (low permeability), you can draw hydrocarbon only from the direct vicinity of the well. This is where fracturing will multiply the performance of the well. So what is a fracturing operation, really? So first of all, NO it does NOT "consists of shocking the sediment with a shot of sand and water to loosen the sediment". In a fracturing operation. you pump fluid (followed by fluid loaded with sand called "proppant") at such a high rate and pressure in a specific section of the well that the formation cannot take the rate of fluid coming in only as seepage into the rock: you actually fracture the rock (this is why I prefer to call if fracturing, rather than "fracking"), the fluid rushes to fill that fracture and as you continue pumping very fast, you propagate the fracture further into the formation. The shape of the fracture is like 2 vertical elephant ears, on each side of the wellbore. It is only a fraction of an inch thick, but can be a few dozen feet high and reach several hundred feet horizontally away from the wellbore. If we pumped only fluid, once we stop pumping and release the pressure at surface, the fracture that we just created would simply collapse on itself and close. To avoid that, we add sieved sand (all grains of same size) to the fluid, so when we stop pumping and release pressure at surface, the sand "prop" the fracture open, therefore the name of proppant... That fracture is now filled with compacted sand, which has a MUCH higher permeability than the rock; it is a "highway to the wellbore" for the oil or gas trapped in the rock. Imagine a droplet of oil that was 100 ft from the wellbore; without fracture, it would have to travel 100 ft through rock to reach directly the wellbore and be produced to surface; that may never happen because of too low rock permeability. Now that the fracture has been performed, that elephant ear of a fracture may be only 15 ft away from that same droplet of oil. Now it only has to travel 15 ft across rock to get to the fracture, and then zoom to the wellbore (very high permeability through the sand in the fracture) and then travel up the well to surface. Why the Shale formation boom? (see post 126 to see what formations we are talking about). Those Shale Gas and Shale Oil zones (or "Play" as it is called) were well known for a long time, but is was not economically feasible to produce them. Several factors changed that: - first of all a sustained high price for gas and oil (the OPEC producers got too greedy for too long) re-ignited interest in those zones - new production techniques, much cheaper that made those zones economically viable. The first part is the architecture of the wells I described above. Horizontal wells, with many fractures, one after the other on the horizontal section of the well. - the last technical revolution is the chemistry of the fracturing fluid we pumped... OR LACK THEREOF ! In conventional fracturing operations (vertical well with ONE frac job), we used to pump very complex (and expensive) chemistry: we put high concentration of proppant (sand) in the fluid. We woud add long molecule polymer additive, cross-linker additives, breaker additive, etc. They would react at different time of the operation to achieve different fracturing fluid viscosities throughout the operation. Some of that stuff was (and still is) nasty. But for Shale formations, with some trial and error, some more research, the industry came up with a very simple (and cheap) chemistry and mode of operation: put just a bit of simple polymer, no cross-linker, no breaker and add sand. And that's pretty much it. The polymer is used as a "friction reducer", it is here to make the viscosity just right so you can pump very fast in skinny long well, without generating too much friction losses. If you pump that stuff fast enough, proppant will stay suspended and be carried out into the fracture. In the industry jargon, we call this type of chemistry "slick water". That polymer is most of the time a derivative of guar. It is a plant originally from India, that gives a natural polymer that is used as a gelling agent in different industries, including cosmetics and food industry. So YES, some of the chemistry we pump in conventional operations is nasty, but the development of unconventional wells with "slick water" chemistry actually simplified the chemistry and somewhat reduced the use of some of the worse chemicals. On the other hand, the amount of fluid used is just MASSIVE. For ONE fracture, it is not uncommon to pump at about 40,000 gpm, at 12,000 psi (that's 300 times the pressure in your car tires...) for one to two hours; each horizontal well will have up to 30 zones to frac, each well site will have 6 to 10 wells side by side. A frac crew will pump 12 to 16 hours per day, 7 days a week, for up to 6 weeks on the same "pad". There are most likely through the industry several hundred of crews in operation any single day, in the US. Now saying that we need to simply stop fracturing is PURE LUNACY. A geologist once explained to me that the shale formations that are at the core of the current production boom have a permeability similar to concrete. Nothing viable will come out of those formations without fracturing. And this is about 50% of current US production. And most (if not all) of the rest of the US production do need fracturing as well anyway!!! American oil and gas formation have been in production long enough that the good old day where you just open the tap and oil flows freely are long gone. The easy stuff is already out of the ground... So can fresh water be contaminated? You remember that I said that there had to be a layer of impermeable rock above the oil or gas zone to trap it... but at the same time, the well has to poke through all zones and potentially put in intercommunication all the different layers of rock. The construction of the well, as it is drilled is supposed to ensure good zonal isolation. When we drill a portion of the well, we then stop, and lower inside the well all the way to the bottom, sections of a tube of steel, each section being screwed to the one below. This is called the casing. Then we pump cement slurry in the small gap between the casing and the rock formation. If this is done correctly, the zone that has been just drilled has been sealed off again. Once we have finished the drilling and casing installation and cementing, we perforate the casing in the specific areas that we want to produce from. It is through those perforations that we pump the fracturing fluid into the rock and that eventually oil or gas will enter the well. Fracturing operations are not going to "burst" the casing as I have read above, but if the cement job that bonded that casing to the rock behind it is not well done, there could be communication, behind the casing, between different zones. hydrocarbon could migrate behind the casing, from the production zone, all the way to the fresh water zone, and because of the pressure difference, re-enter the rock in that area. There are rules, standards and regulations on what a good cementing operation that bonds properly the casing to the formation should be and should achieve. If those rules are followed properly, there is no reason to have communication behind the casing from the "pay zone" to any other rock section above... FINALLY, some people refered to "produced water" that is loaded with nasty chemicals. First of all, you need to know that the "oil companies" is a misnomer. They shoud be called the "water companies" or the "brine companies". A very large portion of the fluid produced by the wells is not oil or gas, but water. Part of it is what is injected into the well during the fracturing operation, that comes back to surface once you put the well in production. And that water will carry back to surface not only what was added for the fracturing operation, but also what it has picked up from the rocks down below... And yes, it can be nasty stuff that needs to be treated. More and more often, the clients ask us to re-use some of that water as base fluid for the next fracturing operation. Even if the chemistry of the "slick water" jobs is simple, there is a point where the chemistry does not work anymore with the chemical elements brought back from the formation. In conclusion: Yes, the industry has to improve, especially in its water usage and production. Service companies like the one I am working for, are trying to develop new techniques to reduce the total amount of fluid pumped to achieve a given size of fracture. Yes it also has to ensure proper zonal isolation so nothing migrate through the annulus to a higher zone or even to surface. The regulations on the cementing techniques must be applied/enforced and potentially improved. But what is the alternative TODAY? Really? Go back to coal? Global warming impact is worse. Truly, natural gas is the less bad of the current options. Stop US Oil production? Is the US willing to become fully dependent of foreign countries on energy? Or are the american people ready to go back to 19th century lifestyle? I don't think so... One of the area of improvement that has not been talked about is ENERGY CONSERVATION. Not demanding more fuel efficient transportation is insane. The building code in the US is insane. I don't think that there has been one house built in France (my home country) in the last quarter century without double pane windows, because it is mandated by the regulations... All of those steps are only transition solution, I know that, but until we find a better technology (or portfolio of technologies) for our energy, we have to find ways to soften the blow... PS: if you are one of the 3 people who will read the wole thing, thank you! PPS: I think I broke a record for the longest post EVER!
  8. 8 points
    Is there a word for the opposite of one upmanship?
  9. 8 points
    Yeah, but, tomorrow morning he'll wake up and be sober. You'll still be a moron.
  10. 8 points
    Here are some thoughts from a female sailor who really thought this hit home a little to hard, I love this sport and I love all the guys but trust me there are times we wish there were more women involved, it's hard to go to a regatta and be surrounded by 100 men and maybe 8 women. *(expecting some plug about isn't that ratio the best for you though) no its not. So this is just a couple thoughts on the long list of being a female sailor. 1) We don't care if you pee off the side of the boat but give us a warning, and don't make fun of us when its time for us to go. 2) Please for the love of god do not touch us our butts, our boobs, our legs we know it wasn't a accedent, don't try to say it was. (we know the difference between a accidental tap and one that was not) 3) Don't ask us to sail with you and then give us the bitch jobs like making sandwiches or scrubbing the boat we are here to sail. (actually happened multiple times to me and friends) 4) Don't make fun of us when we want to get cleaned up and look nice after sailing its what we do. 5) Treat us the same way you treat males on the boat... but think about your "jokes" before you say them for 2 seconds more I promise it will help . 5) and lastly its not just sailmakers, but they could probably sell more if they had a few more females on staff just saying I hope a couple of you read this and maybe think a little more next time.
  11. 8 points
    So perhaps SA should set an example by officially changing the newbie initiation "rules"?
  12. 7 points
    So obviously that should apply to that pesky 2nd amendment too? Make sure we have a militia of well armed farmers to resist future incursions by a hostile outside country. Armed with flintlocks.
  13. 7 points
    Our usual suspects seem to conflate the president of the USA saying something with random people being rude. Let me help you out: If you are flying to LA and the guy sitting beside you says "This airline sucks, I hope the plane crashes", you may be annoyed. If the pilot comes on the intercom and says the same thing, you may be a little bit concerned.
  14. 7 points
    I got a good look at Spindrift while at the Newport Boat Show. It was over at the shipyard out on the very end but you could see its new Turbo mast from about anywhere along the waterfront. Chord on that wingmast must have been at least two meters, gave me flashbacks to ROYAL's old huge wing. Boat looked like it was in standby to leave on a TransAt attempt at any moment. I've got a few photos that I'll see if I can dredge up. This is the shroud loupe going through a monster sheave to the canting cylinder up forward of the rear beam. Mast was canted way over towards the dock and the other ama must have been 8' out of the water! This is that same loupe going to the capshroud and lower shroud, just massive gear.
  15. 6 points
    It is very rare for freestanding masts to break anywhere but near the deck. The loads really reduce quickly. Laser masts break at the joint because there is such a big difference between the stiffness of the lower and the stiffness of the upper. A constantly tapered mast shouldn’t have the stress risers that result in mid span failures. I worked with Ted from about 1981-1985. He developed the core technology that FiberSpar used and Forte is still using. Both Forte and Fiberspar developed their own techniques to build their products, but they are using the same fundamental tool to place fiber around a mandrel. Forte has a more production like mindset. They use the same braided set up for all their jobs, modifying only the number and length of layers to make their parts. Van Dusen has an autoclave, which Forte does not, and Ted is willing to use higher modulous fibers than Forte and is more willing to do custom work. Forte typically has shorter lead times. Like any tool, there are thing they do well and things they don’t do well. You build the laminate by making multiple passes through the machine. You can braid in both directions if you are set up to do it, so you can build thickness very efficiently with very little waste. Branders deliver the same number of fibers around the circumference of the mandrel regardless of its diameter. So at the bottom of a constantly tapered spar, a single pass through the braider will build less structure than the same pass will build at the tip. As a result you have to tailor the ply drops in concert with the taper to maintain the wall thickness you desire. The nature of the ply drops tend to happen two at a time because of the way the machine is operated to achieve the ply drops. This can result in stress concentrations. The way a mast bends is a function of its cross section and the strength/stiffness/ thickness of the walls. I suspect there is a fundamental mis match between the taper of the Forte mandrel and the desired bend characteristics prescribed by the rig designer which causes Forte’ designers to taper the laminate too aggressively, causing the top mast to be too fragile. SHC
  16. 6 points
    That's the thing with rocks. They're patient suckers. They don't feel the need to go out and hunt you down, just sit quietly and wait for you to come to them. Trees feel the same way about skiers.
  17. 6 points
    This does appear to be another variant on the often-repeated tale of buy a boat and set off without having learnt much seamanship.
  18. 6 points
    I'll go first - the HBO doc on Jane Fonda is excellent covering pretty much everything in her life. She spends quite a bit of time discussing her protest of the Vietnam war and the incident in N. Vietnam. Anyone who cares should check it out. Of course those who hate her won't bother. Amazing woman who has led a very interesting life. Little known fact - her mother committed suicide when Jane was 12. The making of "On Golden Pond" was a touching moment, she bought the rights to it so could work with Henry. It brought him his only Oscar for best actor. Amazing woman. I like her. The documentary is well worth watching even if you don't like her. Walk a mile in their shoes so you will be a mile away and have their shoes.
  19. 6 points
    I thought it quite clever to incorporate the "turning left". Some folks just need to feel insulted, I guess. I see now that you were just in a rush to throw out a stray comment that was unrelated to the Fisher itself, or the fact that I bothered to mention it. Thanks for the polite clarity. Thread drift is one of Cruising Anarchy tradition's, dating back at least to the year 537 AD when a discussion about St Brenan's planned trip to America meandered through a heated debate about the fishing techniques he might use to keep fed, into a whimsical set of fantasies about whether Norsemen would ever make open sea crossings, before morphing via various byways into a theological debate about whether a good stash of onboard whiskey mitigated or exacerbated any sinfulness in Brendan's habit of playing trash country music loudly through his iPhone's bluetooth speakers while on night watch. The six pages of banter about the suitability of "They Ain't Makin' Jews Like Jesus Anymore" as a shanty whilst rowing through the tiderace in the Blasket Sound is believed to be one of the motivating factors in propelling Irish scholars to establish the university at Glendalough. If you have an aversion to thread drift, there are many places on the interwebs which ruthlessly suppress it. But CA's place in history is as one big drift-zone. And in my view, "this boat might suit X" barely even qualifies as thread drift. Especially with the witty use of "turning left".
  20. 6 points
  21. 6 points
    Great news for MERLIN lovers: she's a comin' back to Santa Cruz. First a detour to a SF Bay boatyard for a little fine-tuning, including a new rig, rudder repositioning, and return to original color....Then crew training, shake down, and Wednesday Nights off Santa Cruz beginning late March, including Coastal Cup...All prelude to Transpac '19. Good goin' Chip, Brian, and crew! Santa Cruz anxiously awaits. ~sleddog
  22. 6 points
    This Ineos is poison Shite pisses me off! You think land rover one of the biggest 4x4 brands gave a shit about building clean energy vehicles? emirates, airbus etc yup we run or build fucking huge planes burning tonnes of fossil fuel every hour and yet they are not held up as ‘bad’ Nescafé kiwi coffee sponsors with all the stupid coffee pods that don’t break down contributing hugely to plastic contamination. Not at all, but as soon as a self made billionaire gets involved fuck me don’t all the bleeding hearts come out all upset. the AC is not an environmentally sound premis, building single use race boats from carbon fibre and other chemically derived compounds and then flying them around the world for a tv audience and a big corporate shin dig is not what you do when you are worried about environmental impact. how have people lost sight of any of that?
  23. 6 points
    WTF? SA routinely comes up with some offensive variation on the sailor chick of the week. If you want to start fixing things, start there Do you think Clean's caption contest for catholic school girls attracted a lot of female sailors? If we are counting on the kind of people that have crew flown in across the country for races to save sailing, I predict a healthy future for both J-class and 12 Meter class.
  24. 6 points
    Seems like a decent thread for one of the funniest sailing stories I was witnessed to. Mackinac Island '75 and I had just gotten the shit kicked out of me on a smaller boat and am sitting on the flower boxes outside the Chippewa. Next thing we see is a guy standing next to us drinking a can of beer (that would be Bob Declercq) and two cops pedal up (yes, it is funny-looking) and one of them grabs the beer and presumably goes in to dump it. Well, Bob is not happy. Those motherfuckers took my beer, those motherfuckers can't take my beer, those motherfuckers...you get the idea. The cop that dumped the beer and his partner never missed a step and grabbed Bob by both arms and that was the last of my eyewitness account. Per Bob, they threw him in a temporary tent set up for the drunks and told him that you get out at 7am and it's $50 and doesn't show up on your record. All is fine and he finds a place is nodding off when he hears Al and Tim Woodhouse screaming his name. They say they're going to break him out and he's telling them to chill that it's all taken care of, but then he sees the knife poke through the tent and cut a hole for him to leave. Of course there is a cop watching Al and Tim and explains that he's not coming out, you're going in.
  25. 6 points
    I modified a Norseman 400 years ago. Owner loved the way the boat was built, hated the way it sailed. The best I could do, short of moving the keel, which is what was needed, was to get rid of the skeg and add a partially balanced spade rudder to reduce helm pressure. It helped. As I recall I also added a sprit. That was a red boat and it has come up for sale at least once since then. I knew Gary Grant in junior high school. We both worked for Jay Benford at the same time. Gary was a master draftsman, one of the best I have ever worked with. He was very talented with details. Unfortunately in some cases the details would have taken Boeing technology to reproduce. But that's like criticizing Beethoven because the musicians of the day cud not play his string quartets. Gary is/was one of the most creative guys I have ever worked with. Gary was not a sailor. Gary had no eye for hull shapes, rigs or appendages. Minor design details I'm sure! Both of the Norseman models he designed had major handling problems.. The first time I saw the 52 I said immediately to the Norseman Pres., Wally Freeman, "The keels in the wrong place." He nodded and smiled. Later when they finally came to terms with the fact that the boat was extremely poorly balanced to the degree it could be dangerous they asked me to fix" it by designing a new rudder. I declined. I told them that the problem was not the rudder, the problem was the keel was in the wrong place. You can't make a skin cancer lesion go away by putting a big bandage over it. Norseman 400 and 52 are extremely well built but poor designs when it comes to performance. If this post offends someone I don't care. It happens to be reality or my version of it.

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