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  1. 19 points
    We don't normally comment here, although we like to see what you think: The routing software doesn't have an 'I don't want to break my boat feature', so we just put in that dummy zone to illustrate a possible less risky route to the North. The guys can go where they want, providing they stay out of the ice exclusion zone. I hope you are enjoying the Race Phil
  2. 15 points
    WHICH CANDLE FOR WOMEN HAS DAWN LIT? Anyone who believes the Scallywag fiasco can be properly dealt with as a Rule 69 infraction in its current form and with no major consequences in my opinion are living in la-la-land. Very simply Dawn Riley has now moved the goal posts for matters that Rule 69 was intended to capture. In simplistic terms it was cheating on the race course and fights in the Club carpark etc where, from a public perspective, that sort of conduct brought the sport into disrepute. The definition of conduct in Rule 69 has now been watered down to capture a wider range of unspecified activities and therefore penalties. It is not drafted nor was it invisaged it would govern interpersonal workplace conduct. Dawn has fired the first salvo towards having Rule 69 cover "gender equality and mutual respect" out on the race course, and in this case putting aside the existance of video, outside the sight and knowledge of the public who are thousands of miles away. This is now irrefutabley an issue of workplace conduct where professional crews are concerned, no matter what coloured glasses you put on. Now generally speaking proceedings relating to workplace conduct in most western countries involve laws and regulations as well as policies at the place of employ. These enshrine the rights of those involved and amoungst other things, prescribe the various levels of misconduct to give guidance to determining procedual outcomes, whether they be for employees, employers and those governing judicial or tribunal systems in place. What we have now is two professional sailors having to defend their conduct in the workplace and therefore their livelehood by a system that didn't exist when they stepped on board and one that has no regulatory framework to provide any guideance on how they should have acted, are judged and treated. Any thoughts that this absence of a formal framework doesn't let anyone automaticaly off the hook, is pure fantasy. The absence of the OBR being captured by these proceedings, and a RO employee responsible for capturing, editing and uploading media material into the public domain, independent of the team, is worrying. Many posters have made the comment these people are professionals and should act accordingly which is fair comment. What is missing is everyone is forgetting that these professionals are now being asked to step on board to their workplace and for their conduct to be judged accordingly, but leaving ashore all the mechanisms and procedures that govern and decide that conduct when working ashore. That is madness to the extreme by any objective assessment. For the most part this thread and the FP meanderings of Handcock have been disecting a piece of video and framing their views accordingly. It might suprise some but I haven't even watched it. I haven't watched any of Scallywags uploads, didn't see why this was any different as Witts style is not my cup of tea. Having said that, I'm a supporter if nothing else of Witt because here is an Australian who has put together a team, albeit under a different flag. No-one else from Oz has been able to do that in this event in over 50 years since it started, which the more you think about it, is now beyond weird. As you have gathered my interest has been about the ramifications of what Dawn Riley has done. Interestingly she was at the Yacht Racing Forum in Denmark the weekend before last, and around the time she pushed the 69er button. I would be interested if any wise heads there, which there were many, would have expressed reservations about her intended actions? My view is she should have prosecuted her agenda of mutual respect and gender equality direct with VOR the moment they announced a mixed crew format. That could have then seen the implemention of a simple and transparent policy framework that all of the stakeholders were happy with. She then could of injected WS and other RO's over time with the same winning formula. The net result would have been everyone from crews to sponsors would have had a clear understanding of what was expected and the ramifications attached to breeching those workplace policy(s). Those enforcing it and adjudicating breaches would have a prescribed framework to judge the severity of any misconduct and to determine a punitive response. It is reasonable to assume with such a policy framework in place, this fiasco would never have occured. The sad fact is Dawn didn't do this but chose to throw a grenade mid race at a targeted event to create maximum impact and where one key individual involved placed a target on his back for all to see, well before the race started. I have been reluctant to broach the question to date, but was that grenade directed at also maximising her personel exposure over and above looking to improve gender equality and respect? I have difficulty believing otherwise in the absence of any explanation behind her actions. This is particularly in light of the work she has put into this sphere of endeavour and the standing afforded her public position, yet doing nothing about it in terms of this event beforehand. I believe the outcome of tomorrow's WAS Jury Hearing cannot be anything other than Witt and Hayles being exonerated with maybe a warning. Anything other than that, not only would it be grossly inequitable to be judged on non-existent workplace conduct criteria, but those judging them likewise have nothing at their disposal or within their spheres of expertise to be even judging them in the first place. Irrespective whether World Sailing close this loophole of Rule 69 suddenly being bastardised to govern workplace conduct or not, RO's will have to. The genie has been let out of the bottle and unfortunately it won't occur in a measured and collaborative way, but now be a policy framework stitched together on the run. If they don't do this Sponsors won't touch a mixed gender event where their employees and in turn even themselves are placed at risk. Thinking professional sailors will think twice about signing up for a mixed gender event without an appropriate mechanism to afford them protection in their place of employ. It won't stop at just professional events but spread to amateur world as how can you seperate the two anymore where the overarching rules of the sport govern both professionals and amateurs equally and alike. It is this arena which should be of most concern as it is the nursery for all sailors male and female. Improving the opportunities for women sailors have enough roadblocks as it is. They need another one that is hastily constructed and erected, without proper consultation like a hole in the head. I realise my views may not be supported by some knee jerkers, but if they think it through like Dawn Riley should have, then my hope is they see more pain than joy emanating from this unfortunate episode. Finally a quick look wearing the hat of the owner of Team Scallywag. Looking at the makeup of the WS Jury deciding what is effectively a gender equality and mutual respect issue in the workplace and see that it is a seven (7) person panel comprising solely sailing rule experts, with one (1) women, I would be looking on with dismay and like anyone, no matter which side of Dawn's fence they sit. This adjudication response is absurd. If WS doesn't get it, if the RO doesn't get it, then how are owners and sponsors who put up the money and sailors who participate supposed to understand what those that govern don't understand? If I was Seng Huang Lee and Sun Hung Kai & Co my response would be to make it known in Cape Town, Lisbon and Gothenburg and for the reasons I have outlined above, that anything other than a slap on the wrist and an undertaking from the RO to put in place procedures that I as an owner and my people can understand and rely upon; "then we are leaving here on the first plane Friday and reserving my rights to recover every dollar outlayed towards this Micky Mouse event". So to conclude has Dawn lit the brightly glowing candle for "gender equality and respect"? Or is it the smokey spluttering one of "polarisation and paranoia"? To make that judgement we will probably have to keep an eye on the "Riley Musto Index", or sales volumes over time for womens offshore gear. The Sparrow.
  3. 15 points
    There are 2 audio files within 24 hours. The link above is for the second one. The first one is the emotional one and is here. This is just after he passed Cape Horn, and this is the one you can feel he has teary eyes. Still in French. So as a bonus, here is a script of both. The first one: François Gabart speaking: 00:00 "It's François, on the trimaran MACIF. It is 3:30 PM... 2:30 PM. I passed Cape Horn longitude about 2 hours ago. It's a little bit hard to... I have a hard time to realize it actually. I have a hard time to talk, and to talk about it, to make a video about it, because it is overwhelming... I have a hard time to realize it. It is just a line on the computer screen. I did not see the rock. It is far up North. It is a little bit unreal." 00:40 "I will not hide to you that I am happy; very happy. Never would I have even dreamed to arrive at Cape Horn with this time... Everything is possible. You should never refrain your craziest dreams, because sometimes, they become real! It would be a pity!" 01:00 "So when I passed the line, it was funny because the wind was going down; I was set up with one reef and J2, so I had to shake a reef. So I passed the Cape Horn line, I turned on the music full blast in the cockpit and I started my maneuver to shake the reef.... It was great. At the beginning, I was all pumped up with the music; it was magic. But actually, I could not finish the maneuver without crying" 01:45 "I finished the maneuver.... crying... It was so good.... It is such a relief to be here. It was great... It was completely surreal. That's why I was thinking I was dreaming: I had sunny sky! So I finish the maneuver; I take a pause. I get out to take a bit of fresh air. It has been a long time since I could get out of the boat like this. It is the first time I have full main for the past 15 days. It is the first time in a long time that I can keep the doors of the cockpit open to take advantage of the weather outside." 02:20 "And I had an albatross show! Let me tell you! It was.... I had ten albatrosses following the boat. It was.... I felt that... That's where I told myself... It is greater that the rational and Cartesian within me... They were there...." 02:45 "It is funny how you feel that you are changing worlds... Even if I do not see land, even if I am still on port tack, you still feel you are getting closer to civilization. I do not see the Rock, but I am in the wind shadow of South America. And in the winds coming from there... well, I am not going to say that I can feel land, because it is not true, but you can still feel that you are sheltered by something." 03:22 "You are changing oceans, you are starting a new episode. It's funny how you get closer to humanity. Half an hour after passing Cape Horn, I heard someone on VHF. I do not know exactly where, but still ! I have not had someone on VHF for the past 3 weeks. And now, I am going to cross a boat coming back from Antarctica! He is heading 350. It is crazy, because we could have been 15 miles apart, but actually, we are on a collision route! In 15 minutes, I am going to sail by another boat; and it feels good! You are felling closer to civilization." 04:15 "So now, the Atlantic Ocean seems rather favorable. It is going to be rough, but fast. At least for the first 2 or 3 days. It's excellent news, but I will have to be careful. In these strong winds, it is going to be fast, but well.... I am rather happy; it is better than no wind! It will be fast, with some heavy seas. I will have to take care of the boat, trying to make it surf smoothly... If all goes well, I should arrive in 2 or 3 days at the northern end of Argentina and there will be a transition zone to manage." 04:59 Alarm beeping... cleat snapping... 05:00 "we have 17 degrees of heel, I just sheeted out a bit.. Sooo... after that some transition zone offshore Brazil... where I hope that everything will be for the best so I can get to warmer latitudes, towards the Equator". The Second one: 00:00 "The emotions I have since the start of the RTW are just extraordinary and very intense. With fatigue and time passing by, they surface more easily. The emotions while passing the Cape Horn, I got a lot of them, just like sailing through out the Southern Ocean; it is beautiful, it is life; it is coming out of your guts. This is also why I come here, these very intense pieces of life." 00:30 "I do not know how to explain it; for sure the current performance is part of it, it helps; if I were 10 days behind the record, it would not be the same thing. But actually, the relief of leaving the Southern Ocean would have been even stronger in that case. I am very proud of what I have done so far, but there is also a sense of relief, a sense of release, and hope as well, because once you pass Cape Horn, you look up North, and you know that you have never been so close to the finish line. All of that makes unique moments." 01:05 "What I see ahead is pretty good: some strong wind for about 36 hours, which will allow me to go fast in a NNE direction, in an area where it is not always easy to go fast. If you look at Thomas' record or even previous ones, sometimes this zone is pretty locked up... So I am lucky to be fast for the next 36 hours. I will have to be careful though; the wind is already strong, and the sea state is not so good. It is not long swells like in the Southern Ocean, but more like South of Australia, deep and short; boat breaking. I will have to continue going fast, but still preserve the boat and the body. That's the game plan." 01:50 "Then I will sail East of a high pressure system, it will be the first ridge to sail through. A no wind zone at about the latitude of Northern Argentina. I have to go through this zone to catch up the Trade Winds. It will be a bit unsteady first, but more or less an East and then South East wind that will allow me to go all the way to the Equator." 02:15 "I knew very well when I start this record attempt that I would be all alone in the deep southern ocean. Once there, you have no other option than make the boat go fast. I was wondering while going South in the Atlantic Ocean, or even in some places at the beginning of the Indian ocean, when you are not too far from some islands that could be a rescue point, how I would behave once in the Pacific Ocean. And as time passes by, you show to yourself and to your boat, you evolve, you do not completely realize the distances, the remoteness, even if you do not do the same things in the same way in the South Pacific, when you are more than 1000 miles from any external assistance. You are careful, you are twice as cautious, you do not try something that you would potentially try in the bay of Port-la-Forêt, where if something breaks, it is not immediately serious for yourself... I know that in these areas, if I have some serious breakage, it can very quickly turn sour. You keep that in mind and you are more careful. At the same time, you try not to linger too much in this area... and you try to go as fast as possible with the flow! It is the approach I had..."
  4. 15 points
    If anyone wants to play with more weather layers then: https://gis.ee/vor/
  5. 13 points
    SO, from my perspective, I am gutted they stopped at the transition zone. Brunel had the MHO, TTTOP the J0, VestasJ0, Scally MHO, Akzo MHO. Mapfre adn DFRT were out in front with the J0, though DFRT took a long time to choose to go to that. Brunel pushed high whenever possible and got in to be the closest to the shore. Akzo did the opposite trying to get separation to get through to leeward. When the fleet got to the new breeze there had been a few auto-gybes. All teams did well to keep their boats rolling, but Brunel, TTTOP and Vestas did the best being the most inshore. They reached the new breeze as they left Camps Bay, Brunel first into it and to windward, then Mapfre, Vestas and TTTOP all together, DFRT and Scally a little further back. They all kept the J2 up and went straight to that. Within 5 minutes Brunel and TTTOP were reefed, at which point I had to turn around and head home...with a quick stop to watch a couple of Southern Right Whales! 30 ft from the RIB. Akzo going to leeward lost out massively getting to the new breeze and were easily two miles behind as the leaders fetched across Haut Bay. Amazing stopover, now time for a flight back to the snow.
  6. 12 points
    I just tried it in English... Quite funny in some cases. The YouTube ear mismatches "Grand-voile" (mainsail) with "envol" (take-off) because it sounds almost the same... Also, he is talking about the state of the sea "l'état de la mer". But in French: Mer = Sea and Mère = Mother (Mer and Mère have the exact same pronunciation) so the auto generated English sub-titles talk about take-off and mothers... Now if you prefer that, let me know, and I'll stop translating...
  7. 11 points
    OK, if you guys check your profiles under "Notifications" now you can turn off Notifications about up and down votes so that annoying shit will stop. You may now shower me with likes.
  8. 11 points
    I will preface this with the fact that I think there is no way in hell these women should have gone to sea, and their manic incoherent story smells of a scam. But there is something comforting about Sailing Anarchy, a predictable response.. Two unprepared dudes get lost at sea, yeah bad luck or stupidity. Two unprepared women get lost at sea = "that chick was slutty on land and they lived off eating pussy at sea." As if that has any bearing on or relation to the situation. Next time a couple of idiot guys need rescuing I am pasting this forum with sexual slanders and theories on how they lived on dick, and will consider it fair play.
  9. 10 points
    As a friend of Annamieke, I can say that your comment here is a damn sight more offensive and patronising to her than anything in that video. Witty gave her a spot on the Sydney Hobart because she is a capable Sailor; same reason he took her on the VOR. Considering you claim to have been a champion for women in the workplace, and then also claim (with a sly nod and a wink) that they are on a boat for just one reason, I think you are sadly lacking in clear thought.
  10. 9 points
    From a sailors perspective, having had the speedo pegged at close to 26knts for the past couple of days seems less dramatic than it should. Maybe they should incorporate some kind of feedback loop where someone periodically shows up your house/work and douses you with a bucket of ice cold water and throws you down a flight of stairs.
  11. 9 points
    I had a fun day. I headed out from the lighthouse in front of our flat in Milnerton around 1:30PM, anticipating the boats whose turning marks were set a little downwind and then upwind. I was on my 7m orange and black kite and surfboard, and got myself into the middle of the course, watching them come down to the first mark, then beat up along the beach. I got quite close to the last boat, Scallywag, and crossed their stern. They were struggling on the upwind, with their furled masthead code0 up the whole time. Then I gybed and headed far across the bay to watch them coming across on their third leg back to the harbor and out around Sea Point. Man, I was way out there. Luckily my 7m is a bulletproof kite. If you watched the start or the replay, Mapfre unfurled their code0 near the end of that third leg and took off after Dongfeng and eventually passed them. That's about when I decided enough, and turned back to the beach, which was a good 3-4 miles away at that point. Then I did a lovely downwinder of several miles with a stop at Bloubergstrand for a drink and icecream. The waves were small, allowing me to try some turns and I got a lot more comfortable at that. Cool thing here is there is a city bus that comes all the way from a village just beyond my stopping point, called Melkbosstrand, so I just catch that back to my car. I just watched the replay and each time one of use five or six kitesurfers gets into the picture the director cuts away, but there is a brief glimpse of me after they round the first mark, plus two guys on blue kites. Later the commentator mentions a kitesurfer on the course, but that's after I quit and he's on a black kite. Well, I've really enjoyed getting close to these VOR65s out on the water. They are pretty impressive out there in person.
  12. 9 points
    Well that was a shitty day, I have been away from here for a while but decided to come back and post this, and yes I realize it isn't political but this is where I am active. I responded to a shoplifting call tonight and knew I would be without backup for a bit because both the other guys on duty were on other calls/traffic stops. I show up as the suspect is leaving the store and see him enter a vehicle. I blocked him into a parking spot and he couldn't pull forward due to a concrete pole in front of his car. As I approached I saw him reaching towards the center console, I instructed him to put both his hands out the window and he only showed me his left hand. I was able to control it and ordered him out of the car, he was reaching towards the back of his waistband as he was seated in the driver's seat. We had a 45 second physical altercation as i attempted to keep him from bringing his hand out from behind him. I was eventually able to open the door of the car and pulled him out. When we hit the ground he kept reaching for his waistband and I felt a hard object in his waistband. I was able to control his hands and got him handcuffed, I then began a search of him and found a loaded handgun in his waistband. About that time a 2nd officer arrived on the scene and they controlled the passenger of the vehicle. Anyways, that is it, just had to vent! I am all banged up and kinda pissed off, the suspect is in jail and I am alive. But fuck that sucked!
  13. 9 points
    Agreed...... As NBG said.... bum / scrotum chafe is not just very real but would be talked about from day 3, with all, openly... I am horrified that one of the best light hearted moments of any leg has gone to shit because precious oversensitive politically correct people have a shit life and an axe to grind. Lighten the fuck up, you'll be dead soon... What the fuck has this world come to... This has absolutely floored me this morning... If this light hearted moment is overstepping the mark then us Aussies are in deep shit as it's what we do well and is meant for fun and positivity .. The other crews and skippers should try it .... Here's an idea.... instead of censoring these things (more) Why don't we ban over sensitive fuckwits like Brian Hancock...... Sorry all but FUCK ME (Aussie for "what the heck", no offence intended)......
  14. 9 points
    Mate some empathy and understanding about that crew is required. Like if you were the one in that crowd who was the junior bookkeeper who for the last 30 years has been working for a engineering company in Leeds that make the small bolt that goes at the bottom of bicycle front forks. The company since 1926 has been unsucessfully trying to secure a contract to make the other bolt for the other side of the fork. Then on Xmas day last your wife left you for your brother who polishes those bolts. So after the marital split you get very depressed and start reading newspapers on account she ended up with the sole family Smartphone. By extension you start absorbing all the advertisements in the local rag, including ones about Ukranian super models who are turned on by British men with no job and no prospects. To cut to the chase you throw every dollar you have left in the piggy bank towards going Clippering. In a lonely state you pretend to wave upon leaving Mother England but there is no one to wave back and ultimately you end up on a rocky shore in the middle of the night in some god fuck country. The same country where your forebears thought the Boars there were life threatening enough to go to war with them even though your own Queen was their cousin. All you can think about when getting off the boat is the images from David Attenborough specials you watched with the ex wife on your 8" TV in your shoebox sized apartment in Leeds about killer animals in this place that can bite a man's dick off at ten paces. Your cold and frightened. You are then suddenly transported and sitting in the confines of a warm room drinking tea and being offered scones and for the first time in your life people fussing over you. You see your own face on local TV. You then start to believe your famous and that will lead to you thinking your first blow job, without having to wear a condom and from someone half your age who doesn't keep reminding you to put the rubbish bin out on Tuesday's, is just around the corner. bdu no wonder their all looking pretty happy mate. Sir RKJ is a fuckin genius, the Clipper Race is the gift which keeps on giving, no matter the calamity.
  15. 8 points
    A new article here details the situation. As stated above, he decided to slow down because of the sea state mostly. I think it is a given now that he is going to fall behind the current system. He broke the J2 furler a second time, and rebuilt it last night with the spare carbon fiber plates he has on board. Those plates can be used for this type of repair, bulkhead repair, hull repair. He did not bring a spare furler with him because in 2 years of navigation, it never failed. He thinks it is breaking now, because he is (or was) sailing very fast in very heavy seas. He says that it generated massive loads "at the front of the boat" (his words). My interpretation is that when you pierce at 40 knots through a wall of water, anything sticking out (balcony, furlers,...) is getting through loads it was not designed for... FG also explains that he is also keeping track very accurately of what he uses for the repair and share the information with his shore crew. So they know exactly what he has left if they need to give recommendations for future repairs... (glue is for instance an important resource...) He then details some training he has done for repair protocols. They trained him on some repairs on key systems like electronics, auto pilots, engine for genset, So if something goes down, he does not have to go through the manual, in 40 knots winds and 7 meters seas, to figure out how to swap a key component. He alluded to the fact that they have 3 (THREE) completely independent nav systems on board. And he trained on how to switch from number 1 to number 2 to number 3. He concludes by "there are still many repairs I have not trained on... such as repairing a J2 furler..."
  16. 8 points
    He jibed. An article here explains the plan which is not much different that what has been guessed/discussed above. He went that much North to avoid the worst of the low pressure system. He was still supposed to get 38 to 40 knots of wind this morning... On sail area, he was down to 3 reefs and J3. He went back to J2. The sea state is not easy. They are talking of breaking waves. Right now, it is a race to stay "in front" of the low pressure system. I put the term under quotes because to my untrained eye, he is not in front of the low pressure system yet... It will be a critical 3 to 4 days to stay with the system. Multiple small jibes are potentially part of the plan. Cape Horn is expected at the end of this week... Also, there is a small audio link on the article above, where you can hear alarms going off. He can obviously set alarms for an array of conditions; winds too high, winds too low, boat speed (high and low), TWA change, low batteries, and sheets automatic release: those ones will ring louder and louder, giving the opportunity to un-cleat and release the sheets before it happens automatically. During the audio FG explains that the alarm is because the wind is picking up; 38, 40, 42 knots, and boat speed "about the same".... On a different note, they explained in a previous article the role of the different sensors. If we know the number of grinder turns he is doing, it is because originally they needed the counter to figure out when to stop some maneuvers. When he furls a jib, he does not see the sail!!! So they established that you need X turns on the grinder to fully furl the J1 and so much for the J2, etc. He uses that to know when to stop... Same thing for mast tilt, mast rake, foils up and down... He does not see the foils either from the cockpit. Obviously, they collect all that information and process it to fine tune what is the best boat configuration for the conditions. (how much tilt, rake, foil, to which TWS and TWA). You collect the data for enough thousands of miles, and you can improve the boat settings.
  17. 8 points
    There’s a real, alive human being in that photo and it’s not for you to make fun about in this way. I doubt that you would be able to look her in the eyes and tell her how you decided to use her pain to make a point. Now please, if you’ve been away for a while and want to say something about the race, please update yourself before you post. It will make your life so much easier. Just browse through the last page or something, it doesn’t take very long
  18. 8 points
    First of all there isn’t a female team in this race. I don’t think turn the tide would appreciate you calling them that, since they are mixed 50/50. Second, yes you are free to say stupid things you know nothing about.
  19. 8 points
    Here we go again. You really don't know or understand anything and you don't learn from your past stupidity. Last time you said that, you went to sleep and woke up with Dongfeng in the lead, unable to understand what had happened. I am not sure what the basis of your assertion really is, but if you are looking at the last 6 hours r so, did you notice they have been sailing in different wind than the others? There are a lot of clueless people on here (maybe myself included ), but you make everybody look like world class sailors by comparison.
  20. 7 points
    Not really, but why should I comment? I'm certainlny the least qualified hereabouts to comment on ongoings on a boat struggling with the Southern Ocean. Chinese? But I can give you this:
  21. 7 points
    Norbowgirl, Please accept our apologies for Random, I don't know why he's become so bitter and twisted about everything and everybody, he didn't used to be this bad. BTW, bit of perspective, he doesn't race, he never leaves a protected bay , he doesn't factor in the local sailing scene and I can't remember when I saw his boat more than 10nm away from the marina . I personally enjoy your posts and comments. You remind me of the guys and girls I am lucky to have crew for me, green water over the deck and hitting you hard enough in the ear to physically hurt and everyone's grinning like banshees and laughing like mad loons. Put him on ignore , life's too short mate.
  22. 7 points
    And they repost the video....haha. It’s still funny and I can’t see anything negative in her reaction. I hope she will get to say her opinion in the hearing on Thursday. I’ll respect her opinion no matter what it is, I don’t care about how anybody else feel about it and especially not the old judges who probably think women are so fragile they can’t handle this.
  23. 7 points
    I wouldn't underestimate the sophistication and awareness of young girls these days. What they discuss openly on the playground amongst themselves would make your hair curl. Witty's scrotum joke would probably elicit a "meh" at best. As the parent of a most extraordinary young girl, I am more concerned about protecting her against the dark, subversive, hidden and less defendable acts perpetrated against women than I am about crude jokes made openly in public. I can fully appreciate wanting to shield and protect our children. But the world is horror show and compared to what is reported in the news, the cruelty that continues on a global scale and even in our own neighborhoods, Witt's comments are barely worth mentioning. Try explaining Myanmar.
  24. 7 points
    ALT-Thread podium nominees? Can’t decide if 1 & 2 or vv. Grossly unfair to rank. 1) The ‘white-hat hacker’ navs like Herman and Hitch especially, who showed us how to appreciate the RaceExperts’ info and the nav decisions being made by the onboard pros. 2) forss, for his Windy layers, and then Squid routes that gave us the tools to appreciate the RaceExperts’ info and the nav decisions being made by the onboard pros. 3) Terra for his Stan Honey vid that showed us how to hack a tracker and the lengths a top nav will go to prep a VOR, so we can appreciate the RaceExperts’ info and the nav decisions being made in advance by the shore teams and the execution by the onboard pros. Honourable Mentions: NorBowGirl for showing how PC topics can be done right; JBC for giving access to his spreadsheet and its development And of course, to A4E who showed us what doesn’t work. caveats: complete capricious criteria used: strictly personal. Posts ranked by gut feeling of which posts gave the greatest number of pleasurable hours wasted in thinking and following up ideas. SC, JS and Renny and more are in a separate category Back to catching up on, cleaning out bookmarks, and then trying to figure out if the shore teams are Honey-hacking the tracker so they can discover other team's secret turbos and prepare to route the next leg.
  25. 7 points
    If you do not like doing business with LP why does your set of class rules exclude all others on the planet from supplying toys for your game??
  26. 7 points
    And the game needs to evolve into one played in boats designed and built to that one design game's best interest. The name of the boat is absolutely irrelevant. I keep repeating myself Sorry for interrupting the fruitless bickering with suggestions for solutions carry on
  27. 7 points
    Since we are in a reflective mood waiting for the next update... and where those on the water now seeing first light, and who have adhered to the golden rule of "you get them at night"... might have prospered more than others. Wherever possible, put people on hold. Be comforted that in the face of all aridity and disillusionment, and despite the changing fortunes of time, There is always a big future in computer maintenance. Remember The Pueblo. Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle, and mutilate. Know yourself. If you need help, call the FBI. Exercise caution in your daily affairs, Especially with those persons closest to you - That lemon on your left, for instance. Be assured that a walk through the ocean of most souls Would scarcely get your feet wet. Fall not in love therefore. It will stick to your face. Gracefully surrender the things of youth: birds, clean air, tuna, Taiwan. And let not the sands of time get in your lunch. Hire people with hooks. For a good time, call 606-4311. Ask for Ken. Take heart in the bedeepening gloom That your dog is finally getting enough cheese. And reflect that whatever fortune may be your lot, It could only be worse in Milwaukee.
  28. 7 points
    schakel488 said: The Napalm girl is still actual as well. So stop whining. Yes Schakel,,, that's over the top,,, take it down! I saw an interview of 'napalm girl' a couple of years ago,, in fact here it is! How about you listen to the interview,, meet the real human, and try to humanize yourself a bit!? I'd suggest there is no drama in sailboat racing compared to war.
  29. 7 points
    Swinging dicks on the start line. Sounds like a tune. ”Swing yer dicks me lads. Swing them to and fro. For we’re off to to see a maiden, In the great ‘ol Southern O.”
  30. 7 points
    Feel free to move over to these forums. No fuck off and stop obsessing about your own person, people are here for the race, not you.
  31. 7 points
  32. 7 points
    I will help settle this argument using mathematics, not emotion. Rig Height: V65 30m. RC Class 0.6m. Distance: 12nm or 22,000m. Olympic Pool Width 25m. Correction: 22,000/30 = 734. 25/0.6 = 42 Comparative Correction: 734/42 = 17 Pool Correction: 25m × 17 = 436m or 0.24nm So surely Aliguist you can appreciate more than anyone that there is going to be some pressure difference over a hypothetical pool width of 0.24nm, surely. Crikey the diving board alone in a standard pool introduces some pretty interesting wind shear down that 100m long track.
  33. 7 points
    Are you competing in the ""stating the bleeding obvious" olympics?
  34. 6 points
    A long interview, right off the docks. WARNING : LOOOONG translation! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5cQeiK29J4 Journalist: "Not only you break the record, but you shattered it!" FG: "yes, I do not know the global history of records, but yes... I did not expect that. To be honest, I had a slight hope to break the record, but to break it by that much, I would never have thought..." Journalist: "What are you the most proud of?" FG: "I am the most proud of all the work we did with the team and his boat, since.... I can't even recall the number of years! 2, 3 or 4 years since we launched this project. We made a super boat, and a super trip. I am proud of this trip." Journalist: "how do you rank the emotions of today?" FG: "You should not rank or compare emotions... but it is huge...." Journalist: "... " (can't hear what the lady is asking) FG: "it was unreal last night, in pitch black! In the middle of fishing boats. There was a fisherman right on the finish line! I called him on the radio and asked him if I could pass on the right... "Yeah, sure, no problem"... It was strange... but to be here, now with all of you, it feels really strange as well!" "As I said prior to the start, you need 3 parameters to succeed: - a good weather window - some luck, and I definitely got some luck; maybe if I had not left on November 4th, maybe if I had left 3 hours later, I would have missed this good weather window in the South Atlantic... - and then once you have this good weather window in the South Atlantic, you had to hang to it!" Journalist: "Did you hide anything?" FG: "NO! I did not hide anything. If it had been a race, it would have been different. I tried to share as much as possible. By decency, there are a few things you do not say, but it has been hard, you know it, I said so. I was on the edge, all the time. This is what I wanted to do. And I did it." Journalist: "Do you have a word for Thomas Coville?" FG: "I want to thank both boats from last year. First Thomas pushed me like never before. I think that if there hadn"t been the record by Thomas, I would not have done as well. That's for sure. He boosted us to do better... And even Francis Joyon with crew after that. It was very re-assuring, after Thomas record. For sure, they were 6 on board, but if they can do it in 40 days, maybe there is a way to do better than 49 days, solo. Both boats last year made me dream, and pushed me. If I am here today with this timing, it is in part because of them." Journalist: "did you imagine to have a virtual competitor, right behind you, to boost you?" FG: "I told myself to be full throttle, all the time, what ever happens. Whether you are ahead or behind, try to do the best, the best you know, from start to finish, without taking thoughtless risks, but without slowing down... So I have been racing against the daily routings. You always try to nibble a few more miles here and there." Journalist: "did you know it was going to be so tiring?" FG: "yes, I was expecting that." Journalist: "when did you tell yourself "it's in the bag"? Or did you wait until the finish line?" FG: "comparing to Vendee Globe, this time around, I have known for the past few days that the record should be broken, unless there is a technical problem. That being said, the technical risk is very present from first to last day, even more so towards the end, when the skipper is tired..." Journalist: "Is it stronger emotions than the Vendee Globe arrival?" FG: "you should not classify emotions... I wanted it to be as big as the Vendee Globe. And here, it is great (FG choking)" Journalist: "you talked a lot about tiredness, how do you feel?" FG: "I hurt everywhere.... everywhere... I have been hurting everywhere for weeks now. I don't sleep; last night I did not sleep... I am exhausted." Journalist: "does it feel good to cry"? FG: "yes; it feels good." Journalist: "what new challenge could you give yourself? What about the Mini-transat, it is the only race you have not done!" FG: "the mini-transat, I don't think so..." Journalist: "did you talk about that with Michel Desjoyeaux, on the water, after the finish line?" FG: "He was wondering about that... But I am not too worried about that. There are wonderful boats. This boat flew once in a while, but not for long. In a very short time, we will be able to fly, around the world. It is coming around the corner; tomorrow!" Journalist: "would you go back to break your own record?" FG: "not right now!!! What would make me dream right now, flying around the word, yes, that would be appealing. I think that with a crew, we are not far from it, with a crew you should be able to fly 90% of the time. And it is going to go very-very fast. This record is going to be broken, and it is going to be broken soon and by a large margin!" Journalist: "but what about the right weather?" FG: "yes, but if the boat flies in 15 knots wind speed, and goes twice as fast, the right weather, we will find it! Of course it is not going to be easy. I sure hope so! I hope that the next person is not going to think that it is a done deal before the start! Of course, it is going to be hard for the next one, but he will break the record; for sure. And he will break the record by a lot! I am convinced of it!" Journalist: "if you have been in a crewed configuration, what would be different? Any faster?" FG: "I would be less tired... And it would have been faster. For instance, the last high pressure ridge, right before the end, it is holding on to just a few % faster in the Trade Winds, and you can avoid the ridge, and maybe shorten the course by 24 or 36 hours... But we will never know... There are some parts, when you go very fast under autopilot, like the end of the Pacific Ocean and the beginning of the South Atlantic, it would not have changed much to be with a crew... Now, all the transition periods, where there are a lot of maneuvers, for sure, it will be faster with a crew. But first of all, I would not be as much tired. With a crew, you trust the others and you can really rest." Journalist: "what are you the most proud of?" FG: "I am proud of the boat and all the work we did with the team before the record. When we started this project 4 years ago; we started from a blank sheet of paper. There was no Ultim. Of course, there were already Sodebo and Idec, these beautiful big boats, but there was not the dynamic there is today around Ultim Class. I thank Macif, because it was audacious. And they went for it, and we went for it and we made a wonderful boat. I am proud to gather the team, to conceive, and build this boat. And then I am proud of being up to the boat. This boat deserved to go fast. There were times when I thought I cannot ease up, I cannot slow down; this boat wants only one thing: go fast! I am proud of this boat, and I am proud to be up to the challenge of sailing this boat." "The feelings are wonderful; the Vendee Globe was incredible; here also it is incredible. I do not want to compare. It is new; and maybe the hardest part was to live again something as strong as the Vendee Globe. Everybody, ALL of YOU, were telling me at the end of the Vendee Globe: "you are never going to live something as beautiful again...". You all said that. But no... and here we are. There is always a way to do well, better, different. And it is beautiful". Journalist: "you have won the Vendee Globe, the Route du Rhum, the Transat Jacques Vabre,, this is your first record. Did you like this new way of sailing?" FG: "yes, I liked it. I think it came at the right time. I have been sailing competitively for the past 20-30 years. But here you are all alone, facing yourself. It was the right time. In life, there are the right times for the right things. And here, it was the right time." Journalist: "François, there are guys saying that you are very lucky..." (the journalist is using a French colloquial saying that I cannot translate...) FG: "yes, it is true, I am lucky. You cannot do that without a bit of luck. Then of course, you have to be looking for it, trigger it, and fight for it. But I got some luck. Journalist: "what do you feel right now?" FG: "tiredness first... some relief... happiness, pleasure to see you all... a lot of beautiful things..." Journalist: "how do you sleep while sailing at 35-40 knots? Do you have to be dead-tired to fall asleep" FG: "it is the challenge, sleeping at 40 knots, living at more than 40 knots... You have to trust the boat, you have to trust yourself. This is the difficulty single handed. Let the boat go fast. But I won't hide from you that sometimes, it is pretty hot..." Journalist: "how do you feel coming back to land?" FG: "it is rather brutal... it is not violent, but yeah, it is a bit "in your face"... Last night, it was a bit strange. You are all alone, in pitch black, then the first boats arrive, and they put bright spot light on you; you can't see a thing... I felt like a hunted wild beast. I could not cope with it. I stayed inside. It was too much too fast". Journalist: "does it mean you wanted to stay at sea?" FG: "No, I am super happy to be back on land. I was happy at sea, though..." Journalist: "what is the first thing you want right now?" FG: "I want to spend some time with everybody, take a shower, and get some sleep. I think I need it...."
  35. 6 points
    Tried to update exclusion zone if anybody finds error then please PM me. https://gis.ee/vor/
  36. 6 points
    Count me in the column with Tillerman.. I am the guy who organized the start up of BOTH the Laser and Sunfish fleets in Austin. I am one who believes the PRIMARY purpose of the class is to invite players and facilitate everyone’s participation. i am one who believes the builder’s primary responsibility is to feed those who supply the labor to produce their product. in the USA that business model has been replaced by: it is the sole job of the business managers to maximize stock price and dividends. I don’t care if anybody ever builds another boat called a Sunfish ( or Laser) i do hope we can find a way to continue playing with singlehanded Sailboats. i do hope we can agree on the definition of our one design games so we can once again start purchasing new equipment. my opinion / position hadn’t changed in years: Both the builder’s and the classes are blocking access to the sailing game. we have people who want to make money and people who want to be in charge. we need builders and classes whose primary goals are to sell as many boats as possible and get as many sailors out playing as possible. I hope it happens again
  37. 6 points
    Combined results for both groups, 12-11-17, 1:00 UTC. Rank Group SA Name Boat Name DTL DTF 1 A Vibroman Vibroman_SA 0.00 5397.46 2 B HKG1203 HKG1203 0.03 5397.49 3 A, B stufishing Stufishing_SA 0.06 5397.52 4 A Tunnel Rat Mongrel 0.50 5397.96 5 B Milli Blitzquart 0.54 5398.00 6 A Your Mom Your Mom SA 0.57 5398.03 7 A Kapt'n Kirk prowler_1-SA 0.58 5398.04 8 A Breitling Breitling_SA 0.59 5398.05 9 B Mr. Fixit Yodaman 0.83 5398.29 10 A Wet Hog WetHog-SA 0.93 5398.39 11 A prettyhatemachine prettyhatemachine 0.96 5398.42 12 B gary hschutz 0.99 5398.45 13 B Alpina ColombaRacing 1.24 5398.70 14 A From The Rail A-Squared 1.33 5398.79 15 B stanlutz USA644RAVEN_SA 1.47 5398.93 16 B Iluvitar 1.60 5399.06 17 B Tommmzzz tommmzzz 1.61 5399.07 18 A briar Wing it 1.65 5399.11 19 B sailon2 jahmbo SA 1.65 5399.11 20 A BlueMountainsYC shockwave11 1.73 5399.19 21 B kea.nn kea.nn SA 1.73 5399.19 22 B N/A Walkaround 1.82 5399.28 23 A Sailing My Cubicle SailingMyCubicle 1.98 5399.44 24 A Mike G Mike Ventura 2.07 5399.53 25 A Gybe Turkey Gybe Turkey 2.11 5399.57 26 B unplugged Dcarr 2.25 5399.71 27 A Magool Magool 2.28 5399.74 28 A The Actual Dave Davemw 2.30 5399.76 29 B Swamp Swamp Rat 2.68 5400.14 30 A Golden Rose Golden Rose SA 2.83 5400.29 31 A I Sail The Black Boat Thistle1678 3.31 5400.77 32 A Mud Sailor Mudsailor SA 3.44 5400.90 33 A Hike, Bitches HikeBitches 3.61 5401.07 34 B Shorthanded Shorty 3.88 5401.34 35 A Marty6 Cambodunum 3.97 5401.43 36 B mkgsailor J2B2 3.99 5401.45 37 B RIGO RIGO 4.35 5401.81 38 A Ozzy Ozzy 85 5.12 5402.58 39 B GrandbendOnt 5.19 5402.65 40 A Iced Tea rule69 5.27 5402.73 41 A daan62 hutspot77 5.33 5402.79 42 B jacksparrow Malamute 5.46 5402.92 43 B cg_ 5.71 5403.17 44 A Driftwood Me Rongo Rekohu SA 6.14 5403.60 45 B EquusAsinusDomesticus ON9270 6.45 5403.91 46 A x2sea m2for-SA 6.90 5404.36 47 B Rimike rider1982 7.10 5404.56 48 B spadadua 12.10 5409.56 49 B RunSampRun Samsonite SA 29.80 5427.26 50 B hmsmweasel Stay Thirsty M 43 31.70 5429.16 51 B Thijsk ThijsK -
  38. 6 points
    So, rather than arguing, ask. There are other threads for personal battles that you could start or join. This is not the thread you are looking for.
  39. 6 points
    On behalf of our country, I'd like to apoIogise for Random. It's become embarrassing. I don't know what he wrote, but an educated guess it will the same as the last hundred posts or so, ie: repetition full of anger and sarcasm. The only saving grace is you Yanks have Trump, so we hope you can empathise with our predicament. Thank you for your understanding, SB
  40. 6 points
    @LaserPerformance Customers do not wish to wait two or three months for replacement parts. People who want to play in May certainly do not wish to wait for August delivery. Certainly competitors will see this market and consider jumping in. The people who like to play on sailing toys will certainly gravitate to toys that are available for immediate purchase. For the last fifty years, those who have wished to play on small dinghies have walked into stores to look at merchandise or ordered from catalog suppliers who shipped that same day. Sunfish, Laser, and Hobie dealers virtually all have kept boats on hand and supplies of every sail, fitting, line, spar, blade. They have stocked books about the boats, bumper stickers, and even logo bearing clothing. Most dealers also have stocked extra goodies and upgrades like gear boxes, dollies, roof racks, covers, gelcoats, life jackets, foul weather gear, hiking pants, hats, wind indicators, compasses, sailing watches, tell tales, .... and on and on. Dealers count on sales of impulse buy items to pay their overhead. The franchise for selling official gear for Lasers, Sunfish, and Hobies has been a guaranteed cash cow dealer business survival tool for decades. Companies like Amazon and their competitors are all delivering within a day or two. LP abandoned its dealers years ago and now is “guaranteeing” delivery fall deliveries for summer orders. Good luck with your when we get around to it if we feel like it for a higher price than our competitors business model. It shall be interesting to see if anyone decides to supply the Dinghy sailing market you abandoned.
  41. 6 points
    I have no, and will have no opinion either way regarding "lines being crossed" until I better understand the full context of the situation and hear directly from the parties involved. This seems yet another example of society's current propensity to convict people in the kangaroo court of public opinion based on internet sound bites. Video and soundbites can be made to say anything from any source footage. Since no one posting here was present during the creation of that video, and I assume has had no direct contact with the parties involved I will reserve opinion until the truth and the full context comes out. As my previous post I think the bigger concern is how the system permits outsiders with no connection to the event potentially affecting the outcome.
  42. 6 points
    VOR contacted us to clarify that Hancock was incorrect as fuck about the R69. It was not initiated by VOR or another team. It was the response to a complaint by an outside party, and someone I respect suggested that it came from 'some uptight arse at the HKSF "who has it in for Witty and hates the owner". I have corrected Brian's story and hope he is more careful about his facts in the future.
  43. 6 points
    jeeze you must sail on a bunch of boring boats. How about treat women like equals in the crew -- bad jokes and all ? Or don't you think they can handle that?
  44. 6 points
    That's pretty darned funny!! Maybe you should get a job writing for the Onion website., KO Sailing hasn’t had a shipment of Laser or Sunfish this year Vela received FIVE....5.... 1+1+1+1+1.... V... new composite top sections a couple months ago. We had over Forty Laser hulls trying to race at our Wurstfest Regatta. It is sorta hard to race seriously when there is only enough class legal equipment within 1000 miles to rig five boats. Neither KO Sailing nor the Austin Sailboat Shop ( which after ALWAYS being a Laser Dealer since forever) isn’t even listed anymore has been able to get a new set of the Harken blocks for me since they were legalized. We need a builder who actually sells the toys, or we need to redefine our game
  45. 6 points
    A rather sanctimonious post from Brian. Unfortunately, the footage coming off the boats will now be even more vanilla/censored (if that's possible). I could care less about seeing one more 4m swell roll into the cockpit and splash a grinder, or a sunset... FFS... the colourful personalities, offensive or not, are what made any of the video even remotely worthwhile (and shots of the boat set-up and bow/pit work, I guess). Bummer.
  46. 6 points
    Just don't mess with my -22 score. It's the best I've done.
  47. 6 points
    What he is saying: " Here we go! Finally some better conditions. It is about time! I got 2-3 days that were really tough on the skipper and the boat. It was like being in a shaker! It is going to be a bit easier for 24 to 48 hours, so we will take this opportunity to go South again and take care of the boat. The waves tired the skipper, but also the boat. I have the "pancake" on one of the furlers up front that is damaged, I have to re-tie some of the aerodynamic tarpaulin (behind the beams), and I have a small leak at the back. Small things. We will take advantage of the clement weather to take care of all that stuff. Have a good week-end! "
  48. 6 points
    So we know I went in 11/12 Today I'm thinking of the person who's turn it was to be in the harness when this gentleman went over. They would have been cold & exhausted too, they then had pretty much 36 mins of organised chaos before they had to walk down the freeboard (part of the MOB safety training) and retrieve him. They would have been through the most physically & emotionally draining experience of their life, which will stay with them. I hope they were taken great care of once they were back on board, stripped, warmed & rested, & in the presence of those who understood what they just went through.
  49. 6 points
    Well, it uses real weather data so it's pretty realistic and fun, and you can discuss with other players right here in this forum. But of course if you choose to continue being the village idiot here it's your choice. I'm just trying to help.
  50. 6 points
    I'm not done with the descriptions, but I've made a start. See: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WVwCp5qwKKfOeAnyFJyDjAIINpPhrj_FQC20DJ7StW8/edit?usp=sharing