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  1. 6 points
    A long interview, right off the docks. WARNING : LOOOONG translation! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5cQeiK29J4 Journalist: "Not only you break the record, but you shattered it!" FG: "yes, I do not know the global history of records, but yes... I did not expect that. To be honest, I had a slight hope to break the record, but to break it by that much, I would never have thought..." Journalist: "What are you the most proud of?" FG: "I am the most proud of all the work we did with the team and his boat, since.... I can't even recall the number of years! 2, 3 or 4 years since we launched this project. We made a super boat, and a super trip. I am proud of this trip." Journalist: "how do you rank the emotions of today?" FG: "You should not rank or compare emotions... but it is huge...." Journalist: "... " (can't hear what the lady is asking) FG: "it was unreal last night, in pitch black! In the middle of fishing boats. There was a fisherman right on the finish line! I called him on the radio and asked him if I could pass on the right... "Yeah, sure, no problem"... It was strange... but to be here, now with all of you, it feels really strange as well!" "As I said prior to the start, you need 3 parameters to succeed: - a good weather window - some luck, and I definitely got some luck; maybe if I had not left on November 4th, maybe if I had left 3 hours later, I would have missed this good weather window in the South Atlantic... - and then once you have this good weather window in the South Atlantic, you had to hang to it!" Journalist: "Did you hide anything?" FG: "NO! I did not hide anything. If it had been a race, it would have been different. I tried to share as much as possible. By decency, there are a few things you do not say, but it has been hard, you know it, I said so. I was on the edge, all the time. This is what I wanted to do. And I did it." Journalist: "Do you have a word for Thomas Coville?" FG: "I want to thank both boats from last year. First Thomas pushed me like never before. I think that if there hadn"t been the record by Thomas, I would not have done as well. That's for sure. He boosted us to do better... And even Francis Joyon with crew after that. It was very re-assuring, after Thomas record. For sure, they were 6 on board, but if they can do it in 40 days, maybe there is a way to do better than 49 days, solo. Both boats last year made me dream, and pushed me. If I am here today with this timing, it is in part because of them." Journalist: "did you imagine to have a virtual competitor, right behind you, to boost you?" FG: "I told myself to be full throttle, all the time, what ever happens. Whether you are ahead or behind, try to do the best, the best you know, from start to finish, without taking thoughtless risks, but without slowing down... So I have been racing against the daily routings. You always try to nibble a few more miles here and there." Journalist: "did you know it was going to be so tiring?" FG: "yes, I was expecting that." Journalist: "when did you tell yourself "it's in the bag"? Or did you wait until the finish line?" FG: "comparing to Vendee Globe, this time around, I have known for the past few days that the record should be broken, unless there is a technical problem. That being said, the technical risk is very present from first to last day, even more so towards the end, when the skipper is tired..." Journalist: "Is it stronger emotions than the Vendee Globe arrival?" FG: "you should not classify emotions... I wanted it to be as big as the Vendee Globe. And here, it is great (FG choking)" Journalist: "you talked a lot about tiredness, how do you feel?" FG: "I hurt everywhere.... everywhere... I have been hurting everywhere for weeks now. I don't sleep; last night I did not sleep... I am exhausted." Journalist: "does it feel good to cry"? FG: "yes; it feels good." Journalist: "what new challenge could you give yourself? What about the Mini-transat, it is the only race you have not done!" FG: "the mini-transat, I don't think so..." Journalist: "did you talk about that with Michel Desjoyeaux, on the water, after the finish line?" FG: "He was wondering about that... But I am not too worried about that. There are wonderful boats. This boat flew once in a while, but not for long. In a very short time, we will be able to fly, around the world. It is coming around the corner; tomorrow!" Journalist: "would you go back to break your own record?" FG: "not right now!!! What would make me dream right now, flying around the word, yes, that would be appealing. I think that with a crew, we are not far from it, with a crew you should be able to fly 90% of the time. And it is going to go very-very fast. This record is going to be broken, and it is going to be broken soon and by a large margin!" Journalist: "but what about the right weather?" FG: "yes, but if the boat flies in 15 knots wind speed, and goes twice as fast, the right weather, we will find it! Of course it is not going to be easy. I sure hope so! I hope that the next person is not going to think that it is a done deal before the start! Of course, it is going to be hard for the next one, but he will break the record; for sure. And he will break the record by a lot! I am convinced of it!" Journalist: "if you have been in a crewed configuration, what would be different? Any faster?" FG: "I would be less tired... And it would have been faster. For instance, the last high pressure ridge, right before the end, it is holding on to just a few % faster in the Trade Winds, and you can avoid the ridge, and maybe shorten the course by 24 or 36 hours... But we will never know... There are some parts, when you go very fast under autopilot, like the end of the Pacific Ocean and the beginning of the South Atlantic, it would not have changed much to be with a crew... Now, all the transition periods, where there are a lot of maneuvers, for sure, it will be faster with a crew. But first of all, I would not be as much tired. With a crew, you trust the others and you can really rest." Journalist: "what are you the most proud of?" FG: "I am proud of the boat and all the work we did with the team before the record. When we started this project 4 years ago; we started from a blank sheet of paper. There was no Ultim. Of course, there were already Sodebo and Idec, these beautiful big boats, but there was not the dynamic there is today around Ultim Class. I thank Macif, because it was audacious. And they went for it, and we went for it and we made a wonderful boat. I am proud to gather the team, to conceive, and build this boat. And then I am proud of being up to the boat. This boat deserved to go fast. There were times when I thought I cannot ease up, I cannot slow down; this boat wants only one thing: go fast! I am proud of this boat, and I am proud to be up to the challenge of sailing this boat." "The feelings are wonderful; the Vendee Globe was incredible; here also it is incredible. I do not want to compare. It is new; and maybe the hardest part was to live again something as strong as the Vendee Globe. Everybody, ALL of YOU, were telling me at the end of the Vendee Globe: "you are never going to live something as beautiful again...". You all said that. But no... and here we are. There is always a way to do well, better, different. And it is beautiful". Journalist: "you have won the Vendee Globe, the Route du Rhum, the Transat Jacques Vabre,, this is your first record. Did you like this new way of sailing?" FG: "yes, I liked it. I think it came at the right time. I have been sailing competitively for the past 20-30 years. But here you are all alone, facing yourself. It was the right time. In life, there are the right times for the right things. And here, it was the right time." Journalist: "François, there are guys saying that you are very lucky..." (the journalist is using a French colloquial saying that I cannot translate...) FG: "yes, it is true, I am lucky. You cannot do that without a bit of luck. Then of course, you have to be looking for it, trigger it, and fight for it. But I got some luck. Journalist: "what do you feel right now?" FG: "tiredness first... some relief... happiness, pleasure to see you all... a lot of beautiful things..." Journalist: "how do you sleep while sailing at 35-40 knots? Do you have to be dead-tired to fall asleep" FG: "it is the challenge, sleeping at 40 knots, living at more than 40 knots... You have to trust the boat, you have to trust yourself. This is the difficulty single handed. Let the boat go fast. But I won't hide from you that sometimes, it is pretty hot..." Journalist: "how do you feel coming back to land?" FG: "it is rather brutal... it is not violent, but yeah, it is a bit "in your face"... Last night, it was a bit strange. You are all alone, in pitch black, then the first boats arrive, and they put bright spot light on you; you can't see a thing... I felt like a hunted wild beast. I could not cope with it. I stayed inside. It was too much too fast". Journalist: "does it mean you wanted to stay at sea?" FG: "No, I am super happy to be back on land. I was happy at sea, though..." Journalist: "what is the first thing you want right now?" FG: "I want to spend some time with everybody, take a shower, and get some sleep. I think I need it...."
  2. 5 points
    I'm flat out like a lizard drinking this weekend so my apologies if this has already been posted. I'm sure Great Southern Land will pull me up in the next 2 nano seconds in that regard.
  3. 4 points
    Sorry if this has already been posted : Extract of an interview of Jérémie Beyou in Voiles et Voliers (http://www.voilesetvoiliers.com/course-regate/jeremie-beyou-on-peut-envoyer-fort-dans-la-grosse-brise/) Voilesetvoiliers.com : Revenons à la course. Il semble qu’à bord, vous ne soyez pas très contents de ce qui sort via les «race experts» qui approfondissent la stratégie et les secrets de réglages sur le Net et les réseaux sociaux ? J. B. : Ils en disent trop ! On a vraiment le sentiment d’avoir beaucoup travaillé sur les performances, afin d’avoir un petit plus (Dongfeng est clairement un peu plus rapide que ses adversaires, ndlr) et quand tu vois que les mecs expliquent au monde comment il faut régler un VO65 et donnent tes «ficelles» avec arrêt sur images, c’est anormal. Ça n’intéresse pas que les gens qui régatent mais nos adversaires directs. Ce n’est pas la prime à l’entraînement ! On a démarré tôt, on a mis beaucoup d’énergie et de moyens autour de la cellule performance avec Fabien Delahaye, Cyrille Douillet et Bertrand Pacé. Je ne fais que répéter ce que dit Charles, mais depuis le début de la course, les commentaires des «race experts» ne vont pas dans le bon sens et desservent selon moi Dongfeng. […] Voilesetvoiliers.com : Let’s get back to the race. It seems that on board, you are not very happy about what is coming out via the “race experts” who are deepening the strategy and the secrets of the boat’s settings, on the Net and on the social networks ? J. B. : They are saying too much ! We really have the feeling we worked a lot on performances to have something more than the others (Dongfeng is clearly slightly faster than its opponents, ed) and when you see that the guys explain to the world how to set a VO65 and give your “tricks” with freeze frames, that’s abnormal. That not only interests people that sail, but also our direct opponents. This is not a training bonus ! We started early, we put lots of energy and resources on the performance team with Fabien Delahaye, Cyrille Douillet and Bertrand Pacé. I’m only repeating what Charles says, but since the beginning of the race, the commentaries of the “race experts” are not going in the right direction and don’t serve Dongfeng. That might be a possible reason for poor media coverage on Dongfeng...
  4. 4 points
  5. 4 points
    Absolutely nothing could be better than the sickly smell of methyl methacrylate in the damp confines of below decks of a yacht in storm conditions. Those who have worked with Plexus know exactly what I mean. Makes me chandler to think of it. It would have been pretty simple to have a series of holes drilled in the track that would permit a team to lash the track back onto the mast. If all boats had this, but I don't think it would be a possible repair for the Painters. Recall that Iker got spanked really hard for gluing extra battens to stiffen a frighteningly flexing bottom on the last orbit. On the subject of Ice Exclusion Zones, if each team designed their own boats, one would have to consider the performance trade off of improved ice impact resistance. If you designed your boat to survive hitting growlers, you would be really pissed off at being prevented from taking advantage of this aspect of your design. As it is, where teams can do nothing to enhance the safety or durability of their boats, the organizers have to manage the risk sailors might take which are beyond the design capabilities of the provided yachts. Game on kids. SHC
  6. 3 points
    The interview also has some nice stuff about the direction the next generation IMOCAs is taking. If G-trans is anything to go by: Fuller nose, but with Hugo Boss- style carved away deck line. Boat narrower overall, as the foils add sufficient righting moment to reduce the dependence on form stability Mast further aft with an more slender main and the option to fly two head sails more efficiently.
  7. 3 points
    Bayou's interview (best post this leg IMHO) is likely to be the test of the RaceExperts this leg, just like Witty's Breakfast Show was the test of the OBRs. Besides, a "Secret" won't last once people know that one exists. What's interesting is that the interview was probably given with the approval of the DFRT. If not, they blew it. DFRT has been waving their 'turbo' flag for a while, and in three years, the other teams have not caught on. DFRT wins this one, and Mark Turner is a genius for opening up racing. Yes, interesting indeed. "We'll see"
  8. 3 points
    Coville interview : Saying the time is exceptional "magistral", and that with the new boats already there and the one coming from Sodebo, the future should be amazing.
  9. 3 points
    Here's the Lahana video. I think it rivals the more watched Ragamuffin 100 video.
  10. 3 points
    I have a theory why there's not a lot of media coverage from mapf and dong. One of the only thing that the obr can do, other than documenting, is cleaning the boat. Each gybe they probably dry the water in the boat, so they quite just spend all their time.doing that ...
  11. 3 points
    Obviously there appears to be a speed advantage to DF. Not sure why. That is not the point. The point is that when you match race a faster boat, you need to press them into a mistake, either the wrong side of a shift (which we have seen) or into some breakage. As to the opinions of many on this forum, I can only say that the reality of what is happening is much more interesting, yes?
  12. 3 points
    The most powerful quote I've read in this thread is from Steve Scmidt. You gonna call him a leftie? Is that how far out on a limb you want to take this? You and the rest of the tools are fucking with institutions that keep this country free. Stop it.
  13. 3 points
    Combined Rankings for 4:00 UTC. Rank Group SA Name Boat Name DTL WW ranking DTF 1 A,B Kapt'n Kirk prowler_1-SA 0.00 26 2405.33 2 B sailon2 jahmbo SA 0.80 31 3 B mkgsailor J2B2 1.28 47 4 A Gybe Turkey Gybe Turkey 2.36 5 A Tunnel Rat Mongrel 2.86 6 B kea.nn kea.nn SA 3.13 119 7 B Milli Blitzquart 5.02 206 8 A prettyhatemachine prettyhatemachine 6.00 9 B stanlutz USA644RAVEN_SA 6.06 226 10 B spadadua 7.24 281 11 A briar Wing it 7.41 12 A Breitling Breitling_SA 10.20 13 B jacksparrow Malamute 12.20 770 14 B unplugged Dcarr 12.60 15 A,B HKG1203 HKG1203 13.00 884 16 A Vibroman Vibroman_SA 13.30 17 A From The Rail A-Squared 14.50 18 A Ozzy Ozzy 85 14.50 19 B stufishing Stufishing_SA 14.60 995 20 A Your Mom Your Mom SA 14.80 21 B EquusAsinusDomesticus ON9270 15.10 1141 22 B Iluvitar 15.90 1171 23 B Alpina ColombaRacing 17.40 1409 24 A Mud Sailor Mudsailor SA 17.60 25 A Marty6 Cambodunum 18.20 26 B Mr. Fixit Yodaman 18.30 1539 27 A Golden Rose Golden Rose SA 18.30 28 A BlueMountainsYC shockwave11 19.90 29 A Wet Hog WetHog-SA 21.10 30 A Magool Magool 21.30 31 B GrandbendOnt 21.50 32 A I Sail The Black Boat Thistle1678 25.00 33 B Shorthanded Shorty 25.00 34 A Hike, Bitches HikeBitches 25.90 35 A Mike G Mike Ventura 27.10 36 A x2sea m2for-SA 45.30 37 A daan62 hutspot77 56.80 38 A The Actual Dave Davemw 57.90 39 A Iced Tea rule69 62.20 40 A Sailing My Cubicle SailingMyCubicle 65.80 41 B RIGO RIGO 67.10 42 B Tommmzzz tommmzzz 79.40 43 B Rimike rider1982 83.60 44 B N/A Walkaround 109.20 45 B cg_ 120.60 46 B Swamp Swamp Rat 185.10 47 B RunSampRun Samsonite SA 208.50 48 A Driftwood Me Rongo Rekohu SA 434.50 49 B hmsmweasel Stay Thirsty M 43 519.10 50 B gary hschutz 538.10
  14. 3 points
  15. 3 points
    Just so you know, his name is Gonzalo. González is a surname (which means "the son of Gonzalo", like John-Johnson, Hans-Hansen, Steve-Stevenson...) So when you hear all this Spanish names like Pérez, Sánchez, Íñiguez, López, etc., ending with "-ez", those are last names that come from the first names Pero (nowadays Pedro), Sancho, Íñigo and Lope...
  16. 3 points
  17. 3 points
    Trump and crew have been working overtime to discredit Mueller. Looks like we are seeing some results. Fucking people over. It's the one thing Trump is really good at.
  18. 3 points
    It’s a good thing investigations aren’t judged by pool.
  19. 2 points
    The next time any of the righties here who are buying into the Trump/Fox Mueller Slander campaign tell me they "support law enforcement", they will be told to gargle my balls.
  20. 2 points
    Continuing on my riff... "Leftist" = science is useful "leftist" = no banned words (such a change from folks saying "being PC is annoying and stifling") "Leftist" means family values "Leftist" means pro-middle and upper-middle class" "Leftist" means funding infrastructure projects "Leftist" means democracy, not theocracy or oligarchy "Leftist" means Constitutional Law, Separation of Powers including the value of a strong, independent judiciary. "GOP" means judges don't have to know basic law, just survive political litmus tests. But fundamentally, being "leftist" means being patriotic. Thanks Trump!
  21. 2 points
    I think Phileas Fogg would have been impressed. Also, an extraordinary effort of the shore team.
  22. 2 points
    Well, even if the race experts would not analyze the footage coming of the boats, I am sure the shore teams of the competition would. But, somehow, it should be possible to tell a bit more of a story than this without footage of the sail and stack set-up. I guess the battle is just too busy and intense for the duelists to talk to their media person. Nice find for the interview.
  23. 2 points
    Except that the OBR does't respond to the team but to Volvo HQ, ain't it ?
  24. 2 points
    Not bad weather for a December landfall at Brest. (Notorious in France for rain!)
  25. 2 points
    Francois succeeds at most things at his "first try"!
  26. 2 points
    I can tell you a little story about CQS. Some years ago poor old Ludde was sitting in a yacht club bar drowning his sorrows as he came to the grim conclusion that Fastnet glory does not last a lifetime. The bar's resident sage attempted to console him. The sage was one of those bearded old guys who sits in the corner of every yacht club bar dispensing wisdom. In crowded bars such guys are often esteemed members of the table of knowledge where the benefit of great yachting wisdom can be yours for the price of a beer. The old guy asked tearful Ludde what ailed him and he replied " How can I ever make Nicorette a competitive racing boat again? " " It would have to sprout wings " replied the sage as he laughed and walked away. " That's it ! " exclaimed Ludde who ran for the door without buying the sage a beer and getting some wing related details. And boys and girls, the moral of the story is . . . . . . . . . . . . you gets what you pays for.
  27. 2 points
    Scanas I have done a grin count since leaving CT. In the smiles department Scallyskirts is in front...not sure where they end up on the water changes that. Good attitude on board there me thinks.
  28. 2 points
    The knife fight at the front continues. Too bad there is not more media coming off Dongfeng and Mapfre, if documented better, this could have gone down in history as one of the epic VOR battles (still is, but without the pictures to prove it?). Skallywag did great to get that close to Brunel. For Brunel's part, I guess they went North a few days ago because they did not fancy ice-gate-gybing with two sprained ankles on board. Seems that cost them dearly, and they need the points. Vestas seems to have been the bad-luck-duck a bit with the wind in the last 36 hours, too bad for them Akzo seems to be making decent progress 2 updates in a row. Hope for them that means they have a main back up. Turn the tide does pretty well considering the large number of rookies on board. From the vids that have come of the boats, it seems that the decision to avoid the worst of the breeze by going North was a good call.
  29. 2 points
    Any guy riding in a B24 during WWII would absolutely kick your ass for not demanding that every single clue or lead be followed to investigate the potential influence by a foreign government in our elections. Shame on you for your avatar and fuck you for even hinting that an investigation into the core of our election process isn't worthwhile.
  30. 2 points
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  32. 2 points
    Ref. "Good Daily Live, well done Race Expert Sam Matson !" Thanks for the link Stief. I was not even sure if it was the same guy as SKM because I can never hear him on Race Experts, and there he seemed a bit timid too. (Race Experts should grab that Daily Live mike in the future, or get a new sound man.) Good to see he has already had some success, and now has ambitious plans with the Vendee. He probably comes over well with sponsors, and the VOR gig might help too. I wish him well and will never say Hello Sailor to him again!
  33. 2 points
  34. 2 points
    The fear is strong with this one. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering.
  35. 2 points
    Re notifications, agree--something was odd the last day or so. Seems fixed now. Pretty easily. Easy to check by hovering avatar; Find Content and looking at posts. Socks would probably do it too, as mentioned. About a week or so ago, licks given that way were limited to ~20 at a time (Albany can confirm). Before that, 100 licks only took about 5 minutes that way. Figured the mods closed that hole. For the last 24 hrs, for example, something changed. I wasn't able to give any, though some people were divinely empowered. Just tested again, and was able to give more than 20 the regular way. Haven't tried the old way yet. Want me to check? Happy to continue testing the limits on this somewhat silly tool (though it has resulted in some interesting positives). Just let me know if you want up or down licks and I'll see what the current limits are.
  36. 2 points
    It might be able to beat CQS...
  37. 2 points
    She looks like someone with a lot of experience.
  38. 2 points
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  40. 2 points
    Nope. Pretty much like gybing a normal asym. The pole off and pole on happens well before and after the gybe. It’s not as bad as you think.
  41. 2 points
  42. 2 points
    Nice evening in West Michigan. A balmy -2.8 C.
  43. 2 points
    I would say turbo is more about VMG than SOG. This dong tends to go little deeper
  44. 2 points
    Before this is over I´d like to thank all of you who took part in this thread. It was one of the best I ever read on SA, very informative, very interesting and no bashing each other, no smart asses. Really cool. Again thank you all
  45. 2 points
    As does Jack. He went on a down vote binge with me last night, 44 down votes in 5 minutes. I bet he then polished his tiny cannon afterwards.
  46. 2 points
    So my your standard, your mans tax bill should also be dead.
  47. 2 points
    Jack’s terrified. He starts countless threads when he’s scared.
  48. 2 points
    VOR HQ gets all data from the boats every 10 seconds (this was mentioned again in today's live show), so the cost of sat data does not change. They just don't share that data with everyone. It does not really cost anything extra to show the tracker live. It is likely a marketing or IT decision.
  49. 2 points
    Waking up. TToP boat speed? Conservative mode? Dee Caffari When you furl the FR0 and have 2 reefs and the J3 for a squall and the boat is still doing 30 knots, you know it's pretty windy! #OceanHero 11:24 AM - Dec 16, 2017
  50. 2 points
    From what I've just learned, the last of your descriptions might be an "ice island", but your explanation is well received. I bow to your metaphorical language.