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      Abbreviated rules   07/28/2017

      Underdawg did an excellent job of explaining the rules.  Here's the simplified version: Don't insinuate Pedo.  Warning and or timeout for a first offense.  PermaFlick for any subsequent offenses Don't out members.  See above for penalties.  Caveat:  if you have ever used your own real name or personal information here on the forums since, like, ever - it doesn't count and you are fair game. If you see spam posts, report it to the mods.  We do not hang out in every thread 24/7 If you see any of the above, report it to the mods by hitting the Report button in the offending post.   We do not take action for foul language, off-subject content, or abusive behavior unless it escalates to persistent stalking.  There may be times that we might warn someone or flick someone for something particularly egregious.  There is no standard, we will know it when we see it.  If you continually report things that do not fall into rules #1 or 2 above, you may very well get a timeout yourself for annoying the Mods with repeated whining.  Use your best judgement. Warnings, timeouts, suspensions and flicks are arbitrary and capricious.  Deal with it.  Welcome to anarchy.   If you are a newbie, there are unwritten rules to adhere to.  They will be explained to you soon enough.  


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  1. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    Sidecar do you actually know your statement to be true? I'm no rules expert but based on what rogerfal posted a few hours ago (copied below) I would have thought that in fact in your scenario Vestas would be in a position to request redress. I suppose that depends on the interpretation of "through no fault of her own"...I suppose .1% is greater than “no fault”.
  2. Pepito, I think you know: 1. You can work anywhere you have connectivity; 2. You want to live in or experience different places; and 3. You and your family would preferer to move the “thing you live in” rather than move from one dwelling to another. I don’t think you know: 4. That you will actually enjoy the voyage from one place to the other; and 5. That you want to actually sail as opposed to moving your residence by power or by boat delivery service. 6. That if you really want wind power that for the same budget you would rather a multihull over a monohull. You should concentrate on items 4-6 in an efficient and effective way – writing a million dollar cheque for a catamaran would seem as wise a trying coding before understanding the use case or user requirements. Find out if you really have a passion for sailing as a way to spend your time and as a mode of transport. If you are lucky enough to not suffer that affliction you can address 1-3 in much more efficient and effective ways. Myself I’m unfortunately afflicted with an allergy to motor vessels. I like high performance sailing in a vessel that can access shallow waters and provides a good view of the world around me (as opposed to teak cave). The vessels that best meet my requirements fall in the one to three million range. As soon as I include cost in the equation I start to wonder if my requirements are too constraining. If what you are really after is “movable home” at any price point you might find a motor yacht or monohull better meets your needs. If you end up with the motor vessel you can also opt for assorted mechanisms to give you a stable platform at anchor and underway (active fins, gyros, flappers etc.). A power vessel with reasonable dimensions (83 loa, 16 beam, 5 draft, 11 air draft ) you can include the banks of the canals and rivers of Europe and North America in your travels. (London, Paris, Amsterdam, Vienna, Budapest...). If you find you really become addicted (afflicted) to high performance sailing you might still find you meet your requirements best with a motor yacht that carries a few UFOs or Nacras on its boat deck.
  3. A poet-to-port; exactly the type of person to have on a long voyage. Given the Polynesian practice of oral history they may well have had one on most proas.
  4. Sailing around the world in a San Juan 24

    Can this really be true? Can the Editor be that inept at business? The Editor is in the business of collecting eyeballs and selling them to advertisers. Rimas has be to have been one of the best sources of site visits and the Editor never noticed? That puts the Editor in Rimas’ league for either lying or ineptitude.
  5. Sailing around the world in a San Juan 24

    gobsmackedadjective uk /ˈɡɒb.smækt/ us /ˈɡɑːb.smækt/ informal so surprised that you cannot speak:
  6. Scary Neel 45 Build Issues

    Amati your advice is sensible. Although if I went with a powerboat I wouldn’t bring along a dragonfly or F-22 – although both would be fun...I’d go for a UFO and or kite board.A number of threads bring an overlapping perspective: Blue water performance cruiser - do they exist? Why haven’t' multihulls taken the world by storm Cruising for long distances / duration is very different from racing. As BJ Porter points out: the last 10% of performance becomes much less important; windward legs can often be avoided; and passage making is often less than 10% of the time. Others have made the compelling case that low bridge decks are always to be avoided in open waters (a problem with most charter cats). Monohulls (including powerboats) offer much better value at almost any price point. Monohull sailboats tend to be teak caves. What’s the point of being in paradise if you have to climb a ladder to see it. A nice view out the window is more common in powerboats. Bridgedeck multis can offer attractive condo like living with great views from the living room, back deck etc. In multihulls performance and townhouse accommodations don’t meet until the price passes a million. With powerboats you do have to pay the fuel but when you add up all the costs...that’s not that significant. I’m almost never unhappy with the motion of almost any sailboat. My family prefer the motion of multi in protected waters and (some of them) dislike the motion of any sailboat in open waters. With a powerboat add in active fin stabilizers and Veem or Seakeeper gyro stabilizer and you have all the comfort of a waterfront townhouse. I could see a powerboat for the French canals, the Rhine-Danube, Volga-Don and America’s great loop...but I just could not bring myself to motor across the pacific. I don’t know why but I have visceral objection to that.
  7. Article on gCaptain "The “Navy Way” is the Wrong Course" written by someone who seems to know their stuff - retired Lieutenant-Commander in the US Naval Reserve, and a San Francisco bar pilot with over 31 years’ experience. ... During one of my reserve tours, the ship’s captain couldn’t believe I knew ALL the rules by heart. Apparently, none of the other Officers of the Deck did... Navy (should) look to commercial fleets for ways to improve seagoing operations in the future. Less redundancy in terms of personnel, a greater emphasis on basic seamanship, and a willingness to streamline operations in terms of crew numbers
  8. In the civilian world it sucks if your boss abuses you. You can follow internal company or external legal processes to gain relief. Those are usually painful and often have negative career consequences but at least they are available. At the worst you can simply choose to go work elsewhere. In the navy you can’t walk away from an abusive command. That makes it all the more important that the Admirals pay attention. Where the hell was Navy senior leadership. Two months into Aycock’s command the first dismal survey was taken. Yet the sailors where left to suffer for two more years. Apart from the injustice to the sailors there is real impact on effectiveness that the Admirals left festering for years after the information was available.
  9. ‘I now hate my ship’: Surveys reveal disastrous morale on cruiser Shiloh “It’s only a matter of time before something horrible happens,” one shipmate warned. “Our sailors do not trust the CO,” another noted. “I just pray we never have to shoot down a missile from North Korea,” a distraught sailor lamented, “because then our ineffectiveness will really show.”
  10. The coast guard report
  11. Coast Guard to Release El Faro Investigation Report On Sunday
  12. Jay those are helpful anecdotes that do a good job putting Ian Farrier’s anecdotes in context. Has any one done a robust or at least unbiased and sincere statistical analysis of Mono vs. Multi safety (per mile sailed, per person mile sailed...whatever)? I personally prefer the unsinkable feature over the selfrighting feature. I understand that mono’s can be made unsinkable (Etap comes to mind) but generally they are not. Non of the monos I’ve sailed on would be unsinkable and all the multis I’ve sailed claim unsinkability (although I seem to recall some Lagoon’s not living up to the claim). I know lots who prefer self-righting even to the point of being self-righteous about it. Has anyone done a decent effort at surfacing the facts or are we just left with anecdotes and assertions?
  13. I have done no statistical analysis so won't suggest I have anything to add to safety of mono vs mulit. However, I find Ian Farrier's views on multihull safety interesting. They include: "... the relative publicity given to multihull capsizes compared to monohull sinkings is way out of proportion, due to the unsinkable multihull stubbornly staying around to where photos can be taken, while the monohull abandons the crew and quietly sinks from sight. One classic incident of 'one-sided' publicity was in the Tasman Sea in 1980, where the 40’ racing trimaran CAPTAIN BLIGH lost a float bow, but stayed upright, and the crew was eventually taken off by a liner. This was front page headline news in Australia “Four rescued off trimaran” etc. But in the same area, and in the same storm, the top line racing IOR monohull “Smackwater Jack” returning to New Zealand from the Sydney Hobart Race disappeared taking five lives. The only press coverage it ever received was four lines in the back pages stating it was missing..."
  14. Blue water cruising books

    Cruising World: Top 10 Books to Prepare You for Cruising Some already listed above.