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  1. Has anybody considered a biannual schedule? It's only been eight months or so since the last one and and the Bermuda event has less attendees than last season's IC worlds. I'm happy for the IC on this front, but know for a fact that this misrepresents the pervasive quality of the moth at present. We do it every three years and it gives people time to save money. DRC
  2. Guys, even a single stock moth is so drastically above the true market definition of affordability that no amount of cost control measures will render much significant difference except in damaging the overall quality. This is an expensive bird. You have to let it fly. DRC
  3. Does your dinghy have a name?

    Always. Even when I'm demoing UFOs out of the shop I name them. The current demo boat is named Krombopulos Michael, who people may know from Rick and Morty DRC
  4. Moth decksweeper and lowered mast stumps

    It had better. That thing is the tits!
  5. RS Cat 14 Question

    Depends on each one and also how you fell out. The UFO, thanks to the mainfoil being forward of the mast, will round up into irons and "park". However if you've managed to get something firmly wrapped around the tiller that keeps it dead center it will, like anything else, carry on sailing thanks to the stability of the platform. DRC
  6. SuperFoiler Grand Prix 2018

    Can anyone find the day 1 footage? They did a highlight reel and it looked like like platinum-grade carnage. Can't find the full coverage anywhere, though. I will say, Record Point's breakaway in the port side pressure from 1:34:00 to about 1:36:05 in the livestream is an EXTREMELY entertaining zero to hero moment. I am loving this show. DRC
  7. Steve and Dave Clarks Unidentified Foiling Object

    If the rudder lacks sufficient angle of attack, it can't catch up to the Mainfoil and level the boat after the wand wants to stop climbing. The whole boat will continue to fly bow up because the rudder needs more lift and just can't climb fast enough as the speed increases. The wand breaks free from the surface, indicating that the Mainfoil is generating as little flap driven lift as possible. But that doesn't help. Since the rudder is still struggling to gain lift, the boat operates at an overall angle of attack in pitch which keeps the whole boat climbing. This is what I call the "stairway to hell". The next thing that happens is the mainfoil reaches the surface and ventilates. The foil creates no lift when wrapped in a bubble of air, so the bow falls at the speed of gravity. Flow usually is still attached on the rudder, so the boat goes nose down and into the water like a lawn-dart. Splash. Either dropping AoA on the mainfoil(foil head forward), increasing the AoA on the rudder (foil head aft), or moving your bodyweight forward will fix this. Or a blend of the three! If the boat feels disturbingly binary, where it takes off level and then feels either flat or VERY bow down, you have overcorrected. DRC
  8. Steve and Dave Clarks Unidentified Foiling Object

    Cool! More rudder! The "stairway to hell" is basically an upward stall where the rudder never catches up. Also, can send out the same part made out of G10. The top loader is a lot more civilized than the side loader but it went out the door a bit fast. DRC
  9. Moths in Annapolis/DC

    All the ones I know are pretty seriously disinterested in the racing scene on offer. DRC
  10. Mothquito

    About as much thought as I've put into converting to a wooden spar. DRC
  11. Mothquito

    I'd hold back on making any statements of relative speeds between the two until both have been sailed in anger against one another at least a few times. The only Waszp that's actually lined up and outrun me to date was piloted by Reed Baldridge, the current world champion. I figure he's put a lot more time into his setup than I have and is likely a way better sailor. Judging purely from the reported polars, they're nearly identical around a course, and in my limited experience I've still outrun a good deal more waszps than have outrun me. My point is that it's very early to make the above statement. All present evidence one way or the other is anecdotal and with numerous confounding variables. What I know scientifically is that the Waszp carries more RM but also has higher foil drag, but the picture is riddled with countless other nuances. Every comparison across the two boats is apples-to-carburetors, so it's hard to get to the bottom of anything quickly. It's entirely possible that the Waszp outlasts the UFO over time. I can't predict the future. Andrew chose a good sensible conservative concept and the production engineering (countless elegant injection moldings) on that boat is an outright triumph. Relative comparisons of speed between the Wazsp and the current moth are mostly irrelevant except to moth sailors, who won't buy it anyway. The Wazsp performs about as well as a 2006 Prowler or version 1 Bladerider, which was more than enough performance to utterly revolutionize the moth class and sailing as a whole. It sure hooked me a decade ago. It's pretty impressive that such performance can now be got out of glass and aluminum. Regarding volume, #99 is being laminated about 20 feet from me as I write this. We're further sold out for the next four months, but our capacity is not as high yet, so the Waszp is still probably doing quite well in relative terms. That said, both boats are niche items. Even with a completely stricken production line, I'm pretty sure the Laser is still outselling both of us combined. From my dad's perspective, if you're building 200 a year, you might want to consider chopping up the molds. I'm actually building more molds, but you get the point. There's proven capacity in the market for another product to entirely outstrip both of us. edit: however, I have doubts about the Mothquito DRC
  12. Steve and Dave Clarks Unidentified Foiling Object

    West system g-flex resin. Serious abrasion with 80 grit paper beforehand. Clamping with a bunch of pvc pipe slashed rings or a bunch of spring clamps or a vacuum bag would be ideal. The piece is vac bagged in place the first time round. We actually just jacked up the abrasion spec from 150 to 80 just to be even safer. I've been flying on 150 sanded hinges for a year, but when it comes to building them every time I always get more neurotic and paranoid with my specifications over time. DRC
  13. Vanguard Vector

    That bottom video is the TT. Its a Point Farm Skunkworks vector, not a vanguard vector. I should know, I'm crewing in that video and saw that boat get built/my dad still has it. That one has a nicer rig, a t-foil rudder, better sails and a carbon hull. I sailed and raced Vectors for three years. They were my post-opti boat. Good skiffs. Could do with a taller rig and a bigger mainsail, but that's what people used to make before we properly understood the power of squarehead mainsails with good gust response. Unless you put a cleat on the main, you don't want to sail it solo, and you have to know how to sail an unstable boat, which 99% of North American sailors lack as a basic skill. DRC
  14. SuperFoiler Grand Prix 2018

    FWIW, if I had the time and money I would buy one and form a Superfoiler team/sydicate to train up in Boston so long as I get to steer. This boat is stupidly cool and a genuine handful to sail. Precisely my cup of tea. I am genuinely praying that the SFGP keeps it up and that I make enough money to campaign one when I'm 30. Probably should have got a job in finance instead of starting a boat company.... DRC
  15. SuperFoiler Grand Prix 2018

    Fixed it for you. Even recruiting from iceboating would work. Mcknight and Price need to switch positions. The 8th fastest moth sailor in the world should steer and control the foils and the olympic silver medalist in match racing should be dictating tactics. Foiling isn't something you just pick up and become world class in overnight. These assets aren't being utilized right. DRC