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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.


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  1. That's very good...a "must read" its also very true I think...
  2. Congrats Ed! May they live a long and happy life together...
  3. I like the look of those Raymond Hunt designed O'Days and Cals. Its a good looking and well proportioned boat. And a great starter boat. But yeah, the 6.9 is a good 41 secs a mile faster...give or take.
  4. Let me amend that to add the caveat "when you find a boat you really like..."
  5. I wouldn't get to hung up on the price in the listing...9 times out of 10, market reality will set in. Or they're spouse will tell them to take the offer, etc, etc. If you make an offer that doesn't get accepted, you can always say, "well, I'm still interested, so if you change your mind, let me know..." and within a week or two, you might well hear back from the seller. If you find something better in the meantime, well, so be it. The other thing you can always do is offer what is asked, but stipulate whatever is not included or being offered at additional cost) be included in the base deal. If they say no, you say the same thing..."ok, but let me know if you change your mind, cause I'm still interested..." So if you like a boat, but think its not priced fairly...make an offer you think is fair and see what happens.
  6. Re the S2s. The .odd numbers (6.7, 6.9, 7.9, 9.1 & 10.3) were the racer/cruisers and are pretty quick for their size. The .even numbers (7.0, 8.0, 9.2, 11.0, etc) were pure cruisers with no real emphasis on being quick
  7. OBTW, that S2 6.9 I sent you has a ballasted, lifting daggerboard. It lifts vertically into the hull, so trailering/launching much easier... http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=216
  8. http://www3.telus.net/sail/sj23/ And rates around 240, so slower then the S2 6.9. I sent you, but faster then a CAt 22 or Capri 22...
  9. Tempest, You've brought up some good points that I hadn't considered. 12% to bring in a US boat huh? So much for NAFTA...and I'll admit that I had forgotten to reverse the "why boats in Kanada are such a great buy" perspective when your looking to the South. Finally, I'll make your numbers worse and say if your truck gets 20 mpg, you'll likely only get 11-12 MPG towing most of the boats suggested here... That said, I have followed and read the entire thread. IF I haven't remembered every little detail, well, I apologize, but your thread, and SA in general is a hobby, not my life's cause. Along those lines, I'm happy to, and try hard to admit/apologize when I get things wrong. The intent of my little rant was only to say that within your total budget, there may be a way and a boat located farther afield then most of us tend to look. Every piece of advice I've ever read on buying used boats, or of buying used cars all say the same thing. Don't limit yourself to your local area. The cost of fixing broken stuff, or replacing worn out sails, etc could well cost more then the "overhead" costs of getting a boat from farther away, especially when the availability of boats "local" to you are limited. As I like boats, and don't mind helping a fellow sailor, I'd happily go look at a couple boats for someone...yea, if you ask me to look a a bunch of boats, over an extended period of time, I'd begin to get aggravated...you don't seem to be that guy...I did assume you'd need to make 2 trips to buy the boat...the $400 number I threw out was the go look at it the first time, make the deal, get the paperwork so you could go get stuff sorted. Then there would be a 2nd trip to go get the boat...Most times folks have a number for buying the boat, with a recognition that there will be additional costs for survey, transit, etc...so I assumed that you had some travel budget outside of the "cost of the boat". I also know what they say about assumptions, so bad on me for not clarifying that pre-rant... On the other hand, part of my suggestion was to have the seller delivery halfway...it would reduce your cost, and act as a decent test of the trailer...to cut out some of those stops at Harbor Freight or where ever. Also you'll find gas down here in the land lead by the guy with bad hair to be cheaper than gas in Kanada...in some places almost half. So going farther afield doesn't necessarily add gas costs at the rate you were calculating - so that's kinda good news right? Lastly, apparently I had the "sarcasm" font selected, when I meant to have the "light hearted humor" font selected...I was trying to suggest out of the box thinking, not trying to beat you up with the box...So again, I apologize. Crash
  10. My question would be why foam and not balsa? Each have their pluses and minuses. Original laminate structure was in this cased designed with balsa. Putting in something else that is not balsa ought be very close to the same or superior in properties (sheer strength, crush strength, weight, secondary bonding ability, etc, etc) or you could well have a compromised composite structure. If the boat is our Hypothetical J-35, then its around 30 years old. That's pretty good performance from the original materials, and needs replacing not because of any fault of balsa's, but a fault in maintenance and or build...Water got into the core. It would have gotten into foam to...sure foam doesn't rot (like balsa exposed to fresh water does), but it comes with its own set of issues... So if balsa was there originally, then I'd recommend balsa as a replacement. Solve the issue that allowed water to get into the core (thru hull penetrations in the transom?) and you should be good for at least another 30+ years, and likely much longer...
  11. Toddster, I might just be thick or slow today...but I'm missing the point here. How did what legs or I said, mean sailing should only be for the rich? Crash
  12. Oh...Well... Probably worth getting, to ensure ability to get the right boat...but makes more sense now...I'll humbly go back to my corner now.
  13. Ugh, your gonna kill me with the "don't leave the neighborhood" for the right boat thing. Your talking about spending 5 grand or so, and you won't spend $400 to get the right boat? Get some SA'er to go look at it for you and take a butt load of pics for you. Of all the details and issues he finds. Negotiate a price that takes into account some of the travel costs to go see it/bring it back...Fly in to look at it. Take SAer to dinner to say "thanks". Negotiate that seller has to meet you halfway...(that way you know trailer works on the road well)...anything is possible and can be negotiated into the deal for the right boat. Better to buy the right boat in good shape, then settle for something cause its local... Here's a nice Capri 22 in Salt Lake City. Gotta be some SAers there that can check it out for you... http://sailingtexas.com/201701/scapri22192.html Or here's a J-22 in Vancouver WA. It will out sail most of the boats on this thread. Make the guy an offer, I'll bet you can get it for 6 grand... http://sailingtexas.com/201701/sj22137.html Or this one...Iowa is only 30 hours away. Again, have SA'er pre inspect boat for you. Negotiate with seller to meet you half way to deliver.... http://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/64827
  14. Ribs are there to keep the motor from pivoting (port/stbd) in a arc like motion on mounting surface, particularly if the boat is heeled. So I don't think you want to grind them off. Hard Rubber pad as Blitz suggested might be the best answer... Don't think you want to thru-bolt. Makes it a pain to get on/off for servicing. Also risks water into transom core. To mount stainless plate, determine where screw holes are going, overdrill and fill with gflex epoxy. Redrill to screw shank size. Camfer top of hole. Use a polysulfide caulk. Camfer makes an o-ring like seal around screw.
  15. I'm with you legs...I think it is in part a result of the "selling" of sailing/cruising as a "lifestyle" vs an adventure sport...ever see a new sailboat ad with a group of cold wet miserable folks in a raging downpour? But that's part of sailing. And it makes the beautiful times ever so much more beautiful... Sailing on anything 50+ feet is more akin to camping than to a luxury hotel room. Don't try to make it what its not. Celebrate it for what it is