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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.


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    Leisure sailing for 35 years with anything windpowered from Hobies to Classic Keelboats
  1. Not quite. There are actually relatively few activities that can give rise to this type of accident involving only non-competitors. There is an element almost unique to sailing in the mix of large powerful vessels and small crafts in spectator fleets. (Let alone the presence of a large powerful and difficult to handle vessel so close to a spectator fleet.) IMHO just blaming fatality isn't an option. This accident should trigger a rethink on how to manage the vicinity of exclusion zones. In particular the maneuverability and speeds of all vessels.
  2. Wow, rarely read anything meaner. And this about someone who was so much respected and regarded significant when he was arguing against EB. How times, alliances and style can change. Truly AC, in every bad respect. + 1 The red pants are a tradition from old breton sailors. Although red pants is a traditional garb of Brittany sailors, I doubt very much the NYYC's attire, including blue blazer and straw hat, has anything even remote to do with Brittany . Much more probable are the clues given here: http://sabotagetimes.com/style/the-origin-of-red-fcking-trousers. Money quote: "those in US Prep School or East Coast Ivy League circles, wore red jeans and chinos almost as a uniform, often with a blue blazer, deck shoes and a button down shirt" Now that sounds much closer to potential members of the NYYC than the rugged Brittany fishermen.
  3. +10 million "Your task, French skipper of the future, is to sail at foolish speeds through the Southern Ocean and all the climate change bergy bits on your foils of magnificent proportions and not get your fine French ass killed while going for the Jules Verne." Yep, that sounds like career stability in a very big way. Scared shitless 24/7 is not an option. How dare they not care about career stability! Don't they know that a modern sailor's main goal is to pose on the dock, arms crossed on his chest, to promote fancy gear and the latest lucrative beach show sustainable event?
  4. You guys really have a problem with landlocked countries challenging do you
  5. Feel better? Good. Oh and BTW, there is no way to "redefine and restructure the template, rules and outline with such water tightness that greedy buggers like LE cannot take it to the edge again." Even with a cooperative challenger, the rules would be only valid for ... one cycle.
  6. Maybe the Oatleys could see OR and ACEA that they couldn't organise a shitfight at a sewerage treatment plant and thought; 'Lets get out of this clusterfuck before it costs us some serious money'. They've created billion dollar empires because they're pretty smart operators. If they really were so smart they would have pulled out before signing a protocol not after. It took them ages to get that protocol done and by then it should have been pretty obvious they simply weren't in the same league. The whole thing smells much more like sheer incompetence than smarts.
  7. There is no such thing as "the AC community as a whole" (FFS this isn't Dungeons and Dragons) and the only way to have a "lasting framework" is to have the DoG amended. In its present form it will always depend on a defender/challenger pair to set the rules. If they do a good job then a-ok, otherwise you have a fuck up.
  8. An odd read. While there is no disputing that the organization of AC35 has become a laughing stock, Bob Fisher's views illustrate what the AC does to people who stay too close to it for too long. It's a world of inflated egos living in a pipe dream they call "the premier event in the sport of Sailing". They love using big words like heritage, prestige, or disgrace while rewriting the history of the AC to the point where it is almost pure mythology. Bob Fisher is of course right when he castigates the defender for changing the rules of both the boat and the event and laying the blame for this mess at Couts' feet. But sadly most of his "open letter" are just the ramblings of a cranky old man living in a bubble. The killer paragraph: "It is unnecessary for the America’s Cup to have a television audience. For many years there was no television coverage, and later only inserts into News programmes. Televising the event began in 1983 and was carried to a new height by ESPN in 1987 in Fremantle. Even then it didn’t need catamarans on hydrofoils sailing at 40 knots to be attractive – just 12-Metre yachts in boisterous conditions with some live sound from the boats."
  9. That's just about what they proposed. You may have wanted to check that before going on a crusade. I still post my thoughts on your initial "plea"
  10. What a bullshit article. Somehow the AC has survived and limped along for decades without a defined commercial element (although Ernesto did a pretty damn good job with Valencia). What is the AC? Two boats, a body of water, and an agreement on the rules. Long term future? Make it unique enough to stand out from the crowd. Going to smaller boats probably isn't the solution, and eventually some local government will have a better lawyer and contract in hand. SF did a pretty good job protecting themselves from Larry's commercialization effort, and it's good in hindsight that they didn't roll over on everything. Ah! At last a description of the AC without the "pinacle of yachting" bullshit. Edit: on the other hand, agreeing on the 12mR rule, if not a commercial decision, was definitely a cost cutting one. And nobody can say if the AC would have resurrected after WWII without that move.
  11. It was the next cycle RNZYS compounded their dumb decision letting in the Be Happy folk by significantly altering the nationality rule for the crew. Add to things that ugly double knuckle bow development for the IACC boats and not a lot of positives came out of RNZYS's turn as trustee. WetHog Well it's not like the defender can set all the rules in a MC match, the CoR (beleive it or not it was the NYYC) does have his say and the DoG says nothing about the crew. After all America was manned by a substantial number of Brits and guided around the Isle of White by a British pilot
  12. Can't say much about the Aussies, but the NZ trustees were the ones to allow YC's from Switzerland to challenge for the Cup didn't they? That decision has had some lasting ramifications for the AC, IMO. WetHog Nope, they were not the first to allow a Swiss Team to compete..... http://www.americas-cup-history.at/english/sui%2059%20be%20happy.htm ...but I agree the consequences, that are still flowing, from the 2nd Swiss Challenge are - 'unfortunate'! Well actually, Fast2000 competed in ... 2000. I.e. when RNZYS was already the defender. That been said, wouldn't preventing a Swiss yacht club, or an Austrian yacht club for that matter, from competing under the pretense that they are landlocked countries fly in face of the long honored AC tradition of friendly competition among nations?
  13. Engine specs have been limited for ... ever in formula 1 and major manufacturers never made a dime out of it. On the other hand, Cosworth and it's DFV, made a ton of money powering almost the whole grid during the glorious 70s, and March and their chassis did quite well thank you very much. Those were the years when it really grew in the eyes of the public at large. Very doubtful the crowds were or are attracted primarily by technology. More generally, I would suggest stop using motorsport as a comparison. It has a very special place in the public at large and there is nobody to play the role in sailing that auto manufacturers play in motorsport.
  14. So you start with "To make this economically sustainable they are going to need to maximise interest. That means flogging this to punters who don't know much about sailing." to end up with "But all the talk between sailor friends and the heads who jollied over to the event for a look see was more about the "massive wing things with fairing on the back of one" and whether BA really was a "national hero for single handedly saving the colonists from disaster" or not." And somehow what you discuss with sailor friends is relevant to the way to attract people who don't know much about sailing, and sailors wouldn't have anything to babble about if the wing is OD. I'll leave you with your contradictions. Edit: Just one more food for thought. Motorsport in general has attracted crowds in masses for over a century, and it took F1 over 50 years to get to its peek and now has been loosing audiences for years.