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  1. Wang

    TP52 - Nat J For Sale

    I can promise you that while the boat is dry you will still find plenty of colorful language on board and also plenty of libations after sailing. Maybe it didnt go over well because the the crew knew a cold one wasn't more than a stones throw away, or you guys were just being uninformed dickheads trying to make a joke because you stereotyped someone you dont know.
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    Old. Boat, New Spar(s)

    This might be a great fit with Offshore spars as they are US based and have plenty of experience with top quality products. If you were trying to outfit a cutting edge racing machine I would opt for Southern Spars since thats their bread and butter but with the criteria you have listed I honestly don't think you could end up with a better product than Offshore. While most of my dealings with them has been modifications/repairs on existing platforms I have been impressed with the pricing and what they have been able to do within a set budget. The being said I dont think anyone could touch the aluminum price you listed and if that was from Ballenger I would suggest that may be your best value. As always there has been some good and not so good advice listed you just have to weed through it and decide what's useable for you. So with that being said I here is my free advice For systems my advice is to keep things simple and run of the mill as possible as they will all require maintenance at some point in time. A simple integral backstay would be a good fit and cost effective. But if you want something more a panel with a backstay and outhaul could be a good fit but I would steer away from more complications than that. If you would like a mast jack I would strongly recommend against a internal jack for boats like these as they tend to fail when not used often and then you are left with the difficult job of unwinding the rig (sometimes with seized turnbuckles...dont ask me how I know) and opt for external jacks and a bar (if you choose to go hydraulic for out haul you could even have a quick discount fitting in the line at the mast step so it could be used to power the jacks) Cunno and vang you would be better served with something like a hall quick vang and simple block and tackle. Unless you are worried about rig pumping I would also steer clear of moving to swept spreaders as they won't do much except add weight and compression to the boat and mast. But would advise on updating to the larger mk3 rig dimension and 2 spreader set up (I noticed some of the rig plans show 1 spreader but most photos show boats with two spreaders). I would also ditch the forward lower stay as it can be engineered out with the new mast. Stick with standard run of the mill stem ball fittings from BSI as they are available throughout the world and have less points of failure than bolted tangs and eyes. Its a slight performance compromise but I would choose to go with compacted strand wire as dealing with rod in a remote location can be trouble some and weighs almost exactly the same as rod but with the exception of a larger diameter. If you absolutely wanted to do something radical for standing rigging stick with something that is tried and true and use C6 but I highly doubt it would be worth the cost on your platform but something like a synthetic backstay would be a cost effective upgrade. Dont discount the weight savings of switching the boats booms to new aluminum sections as unless you are really trying to win the cost of carbon here is often not worth it in this size range. Good luck.
  3. I hope you realize just how large or difference in performance potential you have gone through in this thread. The question that I would be asking myself if I were you is what are you really looking for and looking to accomplish. As I have been reading everything I am coming to conclusion that that a certain look may be higher on the priority list than the actual on the water and live-able performance. Nothing is wrong with that as long as you can remember what the priorities were when you aren't getting the performance of a faster boat. Other than the marten 49 (which would be a better all around boat in my opinion) this is a bit higher class and a bit faster machine that could potentially fit the bill of the performance and cruising potential that you started this conversation about. listing
  4. Actually the 40.7 does a pretty good job at what it was intended for which coincidentally is damn near the same list as what you have suggested . Cheep to build, relatively quick (this was the early 2000's remember and Farr 40's were considered really quick boats) easy techniques to build in mass production, have enough accommodations to please the family side of things, cheep to build, have tons of interior volume and standard off the shelf hardware and spars to control cost, cheep to build, rate well in IMS (the rating rule at the time), cheep to build, be able to sail offshore, inshore, cruise, race, cheep to build so Beneteau could make money off of them.... Come to think of it the number of nearly 20 year old 40 footers that have accomplished all of these items and more in masses is actually pretty freakin rare....Cal 40 yup, J120 was probably close to double the cost so not really the same, J122 same as J120, Roger Martin boats? etc etc Have you ever sailed on a boat with water ballast? For what you are describing you want it is a option but will have some direct drawbacks to your wants. Water tanks sweat and carry condensation when the air is warm, The water brings a certain cool/cold damp feeling to the interior climate that is hard to control (ever tried keeping warm offshore when your weather bunk is pulled up tight to a full tank of cold water....yeah not warm), the tanks take up considerable interior volume which could be a problem for a live aboard, the same goes for pumps and transfers and dump tubes if you want to transfer and or add/dump water at a reasonable rate, and of course back to your first statement/question it does carry a significant rating hit. So while water ballast can be a good option I would think for what you have mentioned maybe a boat with decent hull form stability coupled with a lifting keel might be a better option and achieve more of your wants much more frequently than a one trick pony. Look up at what I mentioned about the beachball 40.7 achieving what it has compared to a boat like the big pogo's at well over twice the price. Maybe something like a marten 49 would suit you or just say screw the results and comforts like the French do and live aboard your old class 40 fast, comfortable, cheep....Pick two
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    C&C 30 implosion?

    Wow so much unnecessary anger and just mis information. First of all the boat had great momentum for the initial onset with 27 (I believe) boats built in roughly 14-18 months. The class looked like it was going to continue to grow but right when things really were getting good a few "technicalities" in the rules that were presented to the owners arose. The biggest one being if the boat was sold as a owner driver class or a Cat 1 driver class (It seems as the initial draft of rules were presented in a way that would assure the would be owners so the builder could make the sale). For most this wasn't a huge deal but did effect a few key people that were surrounding the class and helping it grow. Some great angst, finger pointing and typical mud slinging ensued and just as things were getting good with 16 boats on the line and multiple regattas with 10 or more boats the numbers started to dwindle for a bunch of different reasons and eventually collapsed..... I have be heard the class is getting some much deserved rebirth . For those that say the boat is overweight, under canvased and under performing I remember saying the same thing and wondering why someone would choose this boat the first day I walked into US watercraft. I was there to check over the build for a new client of mine and honestly wondered "why not just get a Melges 32". Funny thing as time went on I personally grew to love the boat and what it is and most importantly what it can do. Sure as it turns out it just's like most of us and it could loose a little bit of weight (my guess would be about #200 or 4% of total OD weight ) but I would argue that it has plenty of sail area and if sailed properly plenty quick unlike its human counter part. And of course the age old Extreme 2 killed the class with all the pro's, that huge tender, and outspending everyone by at least double......Ughhh...oh almost forgot they cant win all that stuff with out cheating duh Ok I am out of practice on this one so bear with me. (Funny thing you don't have to defend anything when you aren't winning ha) Yes Extreme 2 had a nice tender, a 25 foot protector that cost about 50% of the out the door price of the C&C 30. Well everyone must have been pro's then?.....Nope Just 2. David Shriner and Mark Mendleblatt being there for 90% of the racing.....Thats all??? Yup that's all but of course they also had a very dedicated bunch of Cat1's that happened to be very skilled at sailing....Yeah but they all got paid right????.... Nope but they also didnt have to spend anything and had the chance to sail with a team (family) that was just as dedicated to the cause as they were......So how did they spend all that money??....turns out they didnt and weren't even the highest spenders in the class (but they did have fancy crew gear, and did do all the events)......Ok so that boat must have been more juiced up than Lance Armstrong then....Sorry to disappoint but that boat was measured triple the amount of times than any other boat in the class and NEVER had a issue. Well shit how did they win so much and kill the class???? Honestly it was a just a case of really good timing, great people, and a true group effort on the part of Extreme 2 A few of the key factors 1) Dan Cheresh was the best driver in the class, Even before that boat Dan managed to win something like 14 national championships (including Mumm 30, and back to back in the 1D35"s) 2) Remember when it was written above that the team did all the events???? Yeah thats the doubled edge sword of doing a bunch of events to promote the class as time in the boat always makes you get better 3) Great people....I have never been a part of any sailing team that had truly bonded more as a family and had each others back and really got into the trenches to work for a common goal 4) timing....A few of these great people that were cat 1's worked their asses off and are successful Cat 3's since they aged out Or in the case of a few others they once were sailmakers (meaning the actual people that make the sails not sales) in their (very) distant youth (a few also managed to win a world championship on the way as well) How do I know all of this useless shit? I ran the sailing team for Dan and still do and was there from the early days of walking into the factory to check out the newly assembled boat. I also am proud to say I did a fair bit of helping make the sails, tuning, and the way the boats are sailed what they are today. I personally love the little boat and have often said the C&C 30 is like that dog that shows up on your doorstep one cold night. At first you be grudgingly let them inside "only this once" and give them something to eat, and over time the relationship grows from the dog that steals your steak off your plate and sits on your new couch, to you sharing your steak, and making room for them, to even that dog saving your ass a few times and watching out for you. Eventually you come to the realization that as it turns out thats the best Damn dog a man could ever ask for! So why this boat instead the Melges 32...Well after all the abuse we dished out to Extreme 2 crashing just about every way imaginable to racing in a "typical" down wind Mac race that had us going upwind in 20+ for 25 hrs (where over a 100 boats retired or broke) I dont think we would have a melges 32 left so who really cares if the 32 gets on the step at 12knots instead of 13 when you can do so much more with the boats. I know its pretty easy to see but I really do think the 30 is a great boat that can do so much more than the typical 30 odd foot OD race boat can and is happy to do so.
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    Over the horizon

    I agree on all of the above and certainly wouldn't say the boat is picture perfect either but maybe the closet thing a person like me could get for a similar goal as somas. For sure a little hershoff treatment would go a long way in the main salon as would a few aesthetics changes outboard. Hell even with the so many cat's like the gunboat 55's being turboed it would probably be cheeper to acquire a rig, rigging, and sails from one of them than it would cost to buy a full set of new sails the existing squatty rig. But with a daughter that is only turning 3 at the end of Feb I am still a good 4-6 years away from doing anything
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    Over the horizon

    The boat that has been mentioned and that I have somewhat lusted over the past few years is the M&M 52 Kiappa. Its seems that this boat is about as close as a normal person could ever get to the fabled Unicorn/ Great White Buffalo Gunboat 48. Does anyone have the skinny on this thing?
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    Urgent help about new membrane jib

    Wow we have some real experts in here. I am going give some honest advice just as I did before but please take it for face value as I am making a judgement based off a very small section of data. I do however support my family by sailing for a living and while I dont work for any sailmakers often consult on designs for certain projects and been somewhat successful in doing so. For me personally I dont think the spreader crash is a massive problem that won't be rectified with shrinkage (it won't shrink that much with the current set up)or a small amount of leach hollow added. I would look at a few other things first to try besides what I wrote above and then make a judgment call. A couple things gong on here but mostly I think your leach is too strait and over sheeted for your boats performance potential. I say this again looking at only two leach shots and a inhauler shot so dont have a ton of data but here is the thinking . While I dont know a ton about the X41's other than seeing them around when we raced swan 45's in the med back in the day. I do know they aren't a TP52 or fast 40 purebred race boat and carry the foils, weight and windage that these boats dont. That means you will have to match your sail plan and sail shape to match your boats performance. This often means a few things like wider sheeting angles, fuller more twisty sails, and trying to maximize sails range as this boats efficiency will be very dynamic (Ie going from overpowered, to starved for power often in a very short windspeed window). From your photos what I am seeing is a very tight inhauler (which is good) set up at I am guessing between 4-5 degrees which I believe would be very close or at the limit of how tight this boat could be sheeted. I am also seeing a fair bit of headstay sag, tight mainsail leach and straight mast which leads me to believe the boat is somewhat starved for power in the upshot. and finally a very tight straight leach which can be fine but not with what was mentioned above. I would try easing the sheet just a touch (maybe get the upper leach set roughly 1- 1.5 trim dot wider) lower the tack, hoist in the short groove and then re evaluate.......(I am also guessing that these photos were taken during a training day or during a down time during a race day as is often the case. Please remember that for true rig and sail evaluations its very very important to have the boat sailed in the same manner it would be raced which means same number of crew, same hiking positions, same rig setup etc etc or else its a shot in the dark) I have know clue who built, designed, sold the sail or even what material the membrane is made of but these are just my thoughts above and despite what anyone else has said above this is not a issue that would warrant building a new sail it seems more like a case of sailing with a much tighter sheeting angle and flatter set up than originally thought. and for the doubters take a look at how much leach hollow is added to most of the better Farr 40 teams jibs to keep them crashing into the D1 and S1.
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    Urgent help about new membrane jib

    This is pretty typical for a out of the box sail and to be honest you should be worried if you didnt have any spreader crash. A few tricks until the sail gets a few hours and heat cycles on it to shrink it. Make sure you are in the forward groove of the foil (should be roughly 10-15mm difference on that size boat) and make sure you are running as short of a tack shackle as possible to get the girth lower and closer to the deck. Like I said after 1 or 2 regattas you would probably be shocked how much the sails shrinks. Of course you can always add some hollow in the leach between the battens and it will not be a problem.
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    Vakaros Atlas vs Racegeek D10

    We have been working with the Vakaros team for a few regattas now and even after just the first event with pre production units we decided it was worth it to invest the cash and purchase 3 units. This meant we were not only spending the money on new gear but also setting aside a full set up of our previous instruments and spares. Coming from a team that is used to having a bunch of accurate data to not only use onboard but to analyze post regatta the Vakaros was a unique product in the market for the M32. I for one am very excited to see the continual improvement the team at Vakaros has been working on and absolutely stoked to hopefully get the opportunity to use more of the family tree the guys are working so hard to introduce into the marketplace in the very near future. To put our teams experience into a cliff notes version from first impressions onward ....Holding the unit in your hands reminds me of the first time you get a brand new apple product in your hands or like closing the door on a fine German car....It just has a certain finished feeling to it that just exudes quality, Once firing up the display everyone was in aww at the angle of view and the clarity of the displays (we run one display on the bow sprit and two on the side of the rig of the M32), ZERO issue with polarized sunglasses which to be honest with you I am still not sure what kind of voodoo those guys put into the thing as I have used all types of instrument systems and have never had anything close, Start function is actually taking us some time to gain confidence in and not because its not correct its just so much more accurate than anything else we have used on these boats that its hard to remind oneself that we have that tool (and to trust it!!!), and lastly the customization of each individual display both on board or from boat to boat......I know of the 4 teams using these units at the worlds all boats had a individualized set up of what and how data was displayed and even how some of the data was being "reported"...just on our boat alone we had two screens mirror imaged and one other unit with its own set of data displayed all linked and talking to each other to give us different possibilities of even more data we could use. To say we have been impressed at not only what has been delivered now but more importantly what we think we can do with this system in the very near future for a fraction of the cost of what we thought we would need to spend to retrieve less accurate data would be a understatement. Its safe to say that you can put the Extreme 2 team in the fan boy column.