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  1. Open 5.70 reviews & info

    if sailing non class, I know one of them on the east coast put a proper masthead kite on it along with some extra stays (the class kite is crazily small, not even a masthead which is why the downwind performance isn't so great sub 15 knots) and AFAIK that turned it from being strictly a heavy wind boat into a bit more all purpose. Always appealed to me as a good multi purpose sportsboat, since you could sail it with fewer ppl, more people, in big breeze, in lighter breeze....
  2. j80 vs first class 7.5

    We have raced against a First Class a few years ago a few times, that is right on the cusp of being too slow to really be a sportsboat except on a tight reach; it carries an asym kite, maybe it has the ability to use a sym kite as well, it probably would need it downwind as it can't really get up and plane unless the wind is quite decent (maybe 18?+) The j80 is also pretty conservative too. However, it all depends on the people and the conditions, if you get at least 18 knots then either will be fun, and anyhow, one design is always fun.
  3. Young Thai Anarchist

    Cool achievement, Thailand has a very strong opti program (former world champion Noppakao Poonpat beat all the girls and boys in the worlds a few years back)....particularly the girls are relatively small so they are able to stay in the class a little longer than the western countries tend to, and the cost of the boats is not so high, so there is high participation. Sadly, that kind of falls away a bit as the kids end up in more expensive classes after the opti so a lot of the good sailors (who tend to be from the Navy families in Sattahip) start to fall by the wayside a bit, as is common in most countries, but maybe even more common here. it is sailing across the Gulf of Thailand, so that's completely open water out there, it's nowhere near the coast, often prone to big rain squalls, and the seas can be pretty monsterous out there, His Majesty did it originally in the OK Dinghy he built himself, an optimist is so much smaller and slower....it's a pretty decent undertaking. There have been a few sails back and forth (I know people who have done it on windsurfers etc) and there was a sail across with many dinghies a few years ago, but I don't think anyone did it in an opti before. Congratulations N'June!
  4. Vendee Globe 2016?

    Fiery Cross designed by Jim Young was a 45 foot long canter built and raced in 1957. Young says he got the idea of Herreshoff, but anyhow MINIs were the first to really start using them a lot though, as Fiery was not allowed to race with the keel canted after she showed how much faster it was to do so. No Aussie, Young is a fair dinkum Kiwi. Same designer was the first to produce a fast 12 foot cat (raced as a 12 foot skiff until it was banned) in the Qs; first mega wide sportsyacht (extreme); probably the most prolific of the skiff style sportsboat/race yacht designers a true legend.
  5. Foiling sportsboat

    the one with the foil in the water type was sailing when we were in Switzerland commissioning a couple of the 650s there a few years back. It is either the Quant 28 one above or another one I recall was 30 feet long and super narrow, very well thought out - I doubt a 650 could hold onto it (with or without the foils), it looked (we never lined up against it specifically) faster on the water than what we were in a bit of breeze. As you would expect, it's a much longer boat with a big rig on it. The earlier Brace Brace Brace Welbourne 25 one off boat from HK, the time we raced it in Pattaya which was a relatively windier regatta (12-30 knots) we were able to finish ahead of it some of the time (sometimes 1, sometimes all 3 shaws in front of it on line), mostly because upwind it has a lot of righting moment with the wings and and would usually be pretty quick to the top mark, but downwind the short chop meant it would regularly be going down the mine then due to the tiny bulb, took them a while to get it back upright again. In a 2 sail reach side by side, we sailed past it more than once between races, because that's one of the angles the 650 is fairly quick at. Mostly though, it was as quick or quicker side by side, as you would hope for a boat that is 1m longer and with more righting moment, but I'd imagine a larger 650 (like Custard Truck or Animal Biscuits) would have been quicker again. In those conditions, I suspect the DSS foil on that boat was making the boat slower with it than without in those steep sea conditions downwind for sure, and maybe even upwind as well, the owner is a tinkerer and a pilot so for him I think it was the academic challenge to make it work. The later DSS foils I am told were much better at handling these conditions. The 23 full flying one though I think it a different category, not sure you'd expect the 650 to be competitive against it once it was foiling, it's running traps and is a full carbon build plus it's a little longer. However, sail it in the same conditions as Brace Brace Brace and again it would be a question of whether you could keep the boat on its feet. The moths and AMCUP boats now seem to have it mastered. In terms of cost and simplicity, though, the 650 and the DSS foiler are very different. Both awesome boats IMHO but quite a lot more 'stuff' I would imagine to handle in the foiler. Price also very different. I suppose it would be possible to use a 650 as a platform to foil with a bit of strengthening and changes to the internals, however the easier things to make a 650 faster some of which the Quant already has would be reduce the bulb, run wires and put 3 crew on them. That then makes the boat faster...but then you start to get to the point where it reduces the boat from sportsboat to beach dinghy with the potential to capsize, regatta elibility, rating eligibility etc. I disagree with that concept, if you want the full foiling experience the Quant 23 is there. But its a different market, same as a foiling moth and the musto skiff are different markets.
  6. Sportsboats Asia Pacs Hong Kong November 2018

    keen as! Hope we can have an ok rating system and a decent number of boats to enjoy some good sailing and fun :-)
  7. rs aero

    Would guess it's probably going to be made in Thailand, alongside the other RS boats, by renowned builder CMI who build Nacras and RS dinghies. It's a very interesting boat for sure, could be something that would make me consider dinghies again....lots to like about it!
  8. Uglyboat Admiration Society Hang Out

    From what I can remember in another thread. Failed as a S/V, sitting in a yard still somewhere planned to have keel removed permanetly and converted to M/V I think Mr Pong has more than just 3 boats, he has a couple of 72 footers (Jelik being 1 and another of similar dimensions), at least 1 and possibly 2 TP52s (one of which at one point was called Mui Mui and another from memory was the Foxy Lady IV, possibly V) and some motorboats of various types). Mui Mui I think was supposed to be a TP52 except being from JK it didn't measure as one, or something to that effect. Not that it matters up here since TPs in Asia are IRCed to race mixed fleet. The burden of being super rich and really passionate about sailing I guess. Lovely guy. Maiden was raced just once in some sort of HK-Boracay type long distance race, I think from memory it was a gift from his wife to him, designed by JK and with canting rig, water ballast in the wings, hiking wings and so on - apparently quite tricky to tack/gybe due to the complexity of operating the whole thing's various moving bits (this came from one of his crew when we were hanging out eating Frank's food and having him tow us around at one of the Asian regattas). Now with various other 90 footers showing up, it seems like it would be a good time to pull the Maiden back out to race, if only you could figure out how to make the thing go around corners a little easier.
  9. i550

    Interesting. My boat is a bit smaller in the rig, and a little lighter, so I might see how long it lasts with just 1 set. Always a pleasure to support other sportsboats; I know the U20 guys were pretty happy with their C-Tech rigs too - it's a great company to deal with.
  10. i550

    what is the windiest guys are using the single spreader c-Tech style rigs with masthead kites in? - single spreaders - forestay lower than the cap shrouds - top section of the mast not supported except by the leech of the main Curious as I am building a boat with a similar rig set up (Shaw 550) and having introduced you guys to C-Tech, I am now likely to use a similarly set up rig (as Rob designed from the beginning with single spreaders) - just want to know how funky the rig is going to look in bigger breeze - C-Tech claims (and I believe them) it's all no problem but curious to hear from actual experience on the sort of limits and how you guys are setting things up. Hoping that the 2 i550s under construction in Samui get finished so we have someone to race against other than the IRC 3 fleet!
  11. i550

    Bit hard to compare a 5.5m with 3 crew built to a ply budget to the quickest 6.5m boat with 4 crew built to a composite budget. At a guess would be something like 7-10min slower per hour? Maybe more in certain conditions? 650 is doing 6.2-6.7 knots upwind, and other than arms racer one off boats would be the first to plane and the quickest once up and planing. The i550 is a lovely boat and a very cool concept, but I guess if you really wanted an answer could compare the Manic vs. the open 570 in Narrangsett or Monkey Business/Audi Penfold Racing vw. the i550 death to Snooki (or some name like that) in Melbourne. I'm also building a Shaw 550 (one of the first ones as a fun little boat for messing around) so would guess that would be a lot closer to i550 pace, more similar to an open 570 but should be quicker by the time I put a proper kite on it (compared to an open 570 with its hankerchief). There were a couple of i550s started here in Thailand, but nothing has happened on them in a while.
  12. SpeedDream sails

    @ Mr Clean Not sure I'd describe Custard Truck as 1/2 a cat as it is one of the quickest sportsboats of its size in NZ and a good benchmark to see if this idea of canting lead works on a boat this length. Given Shaw yacht Design's experience in canters (9m, 10.6m, etc) and the decision to run a small fixed bulb with max righting moment from bodies, I am not entirely sure that the speed dream small size approach is the quickest way to make a sportsboat fast. Of course...you cannot scale up the crew to each be 5000kg so perhaps speed dreams' appoach is spot on for a big keel boat though.
  13. i550

    That's a really different boat- it's double the weight so at least double the cost, sails 4 up instead of 2, etc. It'd be just as rational to compare the VX to a Viper... Shaw 650 weighs 400kg (880lb) including engine, cat 5 safety gear, etc; weight of boat including rig, foils, deckgear etc is around 750-780lbs. So no, not double, slightly more for a boat that would be 1m longer. Speed is quicker than all similar sized boats, and the boats rate around 95 under usa phrf, and are quicker on water than melges 24, viper, open 570, sb3 etc - they are indeed quite different from an i550 sailed 4 up or 3 upbut I need to correct any misconception.
  14. Planning on being in NZ later this year, any Shaws available for a test ride?

  15. 20+ Footer - Building in Hawaii

    It's a pretty awesome tale of boat building. But I think the more recent shots fail to capture the parrot. BRING BACK THE BIRD (have you heard about the word?)