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  1. Part of that is the crew doing different things, and doing them skillfully. Sail evolutions, foredeck work, and all that stuff is a lot more interesting than watching a bunch of guys with their heads down grinding away for 25 minutes. If you eliminate stored energy maybe that changes the type of boat or the manner of sailing them.
  2. Why was TNZ faster ?

    Those who talk don't know, and those who know don't talk. Start with the basics. If you consistently sail less distance at the same speed that means pointing higher upwind and lower downwind. In a given race you can explain it by hitting the shifts right but in the long term that means pointing. As to how ETNZ did it, I'm interested in the xbox controller for the wing. On the other boats they primarily played the sheet. Adjusting twist or anything else was ergonomically a bit more difficult. The sheet was what was always in the trimmer's hand. With the ETNZ xbox it became just as easy to play twist as it was to play the sheet. I suspect that may have been significant.
  3. Artemis Penalty Fair or Shit?

    A few observations: 1. Slater said the original decision was based on the information they had at the time. That seems odd given the amount of data the umpires have. Did they really get new information later on that they didn't have when they made the call? More likely what Slater meant to say was "we thought about it some more and we screwed up". 2. Strange for Slater to say that they weren't certain that Artemis did enough to keep clear. That sounds a lot like "guilty until proven innocent". Artemis gets a penalty and loses the race if Slater is only 99% sure that Artemis did everything right? 3. Seems like ETNZ had room to gybe at the mark and head toward the finish. The question is whether ETNZ had the right to forego the gybe and hunt Artemis. What I didn't see mentioned in the last 4 pages is that the right of way boat has to give the burdened boat a reasonable opportunity to keep clear. If ETNZ gybed Artemis could keep clear by sailing wide of the mark, as they were doing, and Artemis would win the race. Or if ETNZ wanted to sail straight Aretemis could take ETNZ's stern, and Artemis would win the race. So, what exactly was Artemis supposed to do in that situation and how were they supposed to know to do that instead of the other thing?
  4. Jim Kilroy

    Sorry to see that Jim Kilroy passed away. When I got into sailing in the 1970s he was one of the big names in ocean racing and his Kialoa was the maxi boat to beat. I remember watching Kialoa, Windward Passage, and Ondine short tack just off the rocks in the SFYC Big Boat Series back around 1979. A great name in the sport.
  5. Oracle Team USA

    Read the book yesterday. It's only 70 pages so it's more like a long magazine article than a book. The author claims first hand interviews with the participants. I'm skeptical because I doubt that pumping could be that effective on a 72 foot boat in San Francisco winds and I doubt that it could have been as blatant as the author says with five cameras on the boat and lots of cameras off the boat. I do want to go back to some of the races and see what can be seen. Found one of the later races on YouTube. The story in the book is that the grinders would keep the main sheet winch drum spinning, the trimmer would ease the sheet three feet (as the drum was spinning) then take tension and bring the sheet back in, and repeat about five times to pump the main on each tack. That just didn't happen in the tacks I saw, and it would have been really obvious if it did happen. Also, the sheet rubbing on the drum makes a lot of noise when the sheet is eased, even just a few inches. So, if the sheet was eased three feet then brought in over and over on each tack the mics on the boat would have picked up the noise like crazy no matter where the cameras were pointed.
  6. Oracle Team USA

    Read the book yesterday. It's only 70 pages so it's more like a long magazine article than a book. The author claims first hand interviews with the participants. I'm skeptical because I doubt that pumping could be that effective on a 72 foot boat in San Francisco winds and I doubt that it could have been as blatant as the author says with five cameras on the boat and lots of cameras off the boat. I do want to go back to some of the races and see what can be seen.