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  1. Caribbean 600

    correction - Fujin has not resumed tracking (YB or AIS) since the SW corner of Saba - I was on the wrong track. Hope to hell that all is OK with those guys..
  2. Caribbean 600

    Fujin is back and tracking on my screen. No circles like I see with Flow, but yes seems they both blipped out in similar area for a bit - nasty squall is my guess? Looks like Flow recovered after some loop-di-loos but Fujin appears to be crippled and losing ground to the rest of the fleet.... I was biting my nails at her drag race with Elvis damnit!
  3. Caribbean 600

    What happened to Fujin!!?? Anybody? Blew up a sail?
  4. GB 60 v 66

    Fair point. Out of curiosity though - what would the delta be between 'Elvis A' with the existing straight boards and 'Elvis B' with similarly (proportionately) sized/designed curved boards? I ask because I heard from Flow that the decision to go with curved was more influenced by design (interior room) than performance, after looking at all the polars and 'paper speed'....
  5. GB 60 v 66

    Not quite true, at least not all the time. From what I've seen, most of the time, debris-strike damage still allow lifting dagger boards to be pulled out the top of the deck to enact repairs to the leading edge. With a swing-center board boat like the 55's and 60's, YES the board usually breaks the sheer-pin and kicks up, however, 1) it often damages the hydraulic ram attached to the top of it (very fine balance to find on the sheer pin rating as many had problems with unwanted kick-ups from sailing loads) and 2 - and this is a BIG 2) the ENTIRE boat then has to be hauled out of the water to fix the board. We finally had to install some custom metal edge-guards on a 60 after having to haul out 3 times in 5 months to repair big chunks out of the leading edge of the boards!! Not ideal!! Now of course if you hit something really big/heavy, or especially the BOTTOM, the swing-style centerboards would offer some safety since they won't act like a giant lever-arm and rip the hull in half. But in that case, you're gonna be fucking up a lot more than just the boards - especially if you have sail drives just behind them! So IMHO, if I were to be building a big cruising cat to use for cruising/passage-making/racing I would absolutely go with lifting boards for performance, convenience, safety, etc. On that note, I would probably go with straight, asymmetric boards vs C-boards. The bearing assembly and structural design & support that comes with the C-boards adds a lot of complexity and weight. Yes the C-boards contour to the hull and take up less room on the interior, and yes I think on paper the offer better performance, but that said, I watched GB62 Elvis (straight/asymmetric boards) smoke GB66 Extreme H20 (massive C-boards) at the BVI Spring Regatta boat for boat in every race. Granted that was light air so hard to say that Elvis is faster in every situation, but for the convenience of having straight boards, she's fast enough for me!
  6. GB 60 v 66

    M&M designs proved faster than the newer, NID designs. To be fair, may have been a different design parameter from GB/PJ on the 60s & 55s? The biggest deal breaker was the switch to swing-down symmetrical centerboards on the newest gen (55's and 60's - all NID designs) gunboats. This isn't the only reason, but the biggest reason why they can't hang with the dagger-board (some asymmetrical) equipped 62's and 66's. I think the delta between the 62 and the 66 was due to the fact that the size & weight of the boat was substantially larger, but the rig wasn't as proportionally large. That said, Extreme H20 is a heavily modded 66 and is in hot competition with Elvis for 'world's fastest GB'. At the moment the score is Elvis -1, H20 - 0
  7. Banque Populaire

    So Doug how much money did Gitana and BP5 pay you for the design of said 'Fire Arrow System'? Or did they rip you off? Have you filed suit yet? Or are you just in a virtual screaming match with strangers on the internet to ensure that you 'go down in history' as the guy that once tested a prototype idea on a toy boat but didn't actually follow it up and then some other real designers used something kinda like it on a real sailboat and it was marginally faster than the old 'real sailboats' and so you are a goddamned visionary and deserve your goddamned credit...?
  8. Banque Populaire

    WTF is a Fire Arrow? Some old maxi/ultim tri that prototyped foils once upon a time? Why does this guy keep harping on that shit? Kinda getting old.. Is he still selling/trying to sell it or just looking for kudos?
  9. US Watercraft receivership ? (Alerion etc)

    That was me to a T!
  10. TF10 foiler... what could possibly go wrong!?.....

    They do not. There is however, to my knowledge, at least one professional boat captain (from one of the owners' other yachts) involved in the build & spec. I'm not sure whether you'd call him a build manager, owners rep, or just a consultant. Its a far shot from a standard boat captain/build manager in a typical bespoke super yacht, presumably because the Holland peeps are keeping things pretty close to the chest on this one. I also can tell you that there will be some pro crew involved in the sailing, upkeep, and logistics of the program on at least a few of these. I don't know what the class rules & regs specify as far as racing, but these owners will not be turning their own wrenches.
  11. TF10 foiler... what could possibly go wrong!?.....

    I think you need to remember the difference between the definitions of 'amateur' and 'novice'. Just because someone has never received money to sail, doesn't mean that they are a novice and unqualified to drive a TF 10. I only know a little bit firsthand about the boat, and whether or not it will necessarily be appropriate for this particular class of 'amateurs', but I do know plenty about the conglomerate of owners who've ordered the first 5 TF10's: -All of them have indeed 'dedicated their lives to sailing' (quoted from someone above), albeit in a recreational sense of the word. All their free time, energy, and a great deal of their spare cash... and all have decades of racing and thousands of miles under their belt -All of them have owned/still own some seriously high performance race boats, and to my knowledge most of them have been at the helm of every one of their race boats for every regatta, for decades; boats ranging from beach cats to Melges 32s to Marstrom 32s to TP52s to Gunboats to Fast 40's to Maxis. -At least a few that I know spend tens of hours per week getting involved with their crews and being intimately involved with the boat and the race program, and are pretty 'with-it' as far as the design, the equipment, the projects/engineering, etc -Some of these guys would destroy many of my buddies (pros/boat captains/race 'mercenaries' ) in a match race in a dinghy, and some have gained a pretty good reputation as skilled helmsman behind some powerful wheels. Sooo.. again, not arguing for or against the boat and/or its 'fit-for-purpose' here, just trying to clear up the facts about who will actually be driving these things (at least the initial ones!)
  12. US Watercraft receivership ? (Alerion etc)

    Its not that it was overpriced, just a HUGE turnout of everyone in New England - machine shops, boat builders, contractors, armchair captains, etc. Big turnouts = more bids = higher bids = auctioneer wins.
  13. Found these boards at the US Watercraft auction today with the weights of each itemized component of the C&C 30's. I haven't sailed in this class so there is no real investment for me, however, I was intrigued at some of the discrepancies between hull #'s. Most noticeably, the keel bulb weights between some of the hulls; hull #18 = 1,379 lbs at the lightest, hull #2 = 1,404 lbs at the heaviest for a delta of 25 lbs). I don't sail enough small sporties to know or care how much that matters, but I know it definitely matters because I've heard stories of programs purchasing 3 or 4 entire boats (one designs - specifically J70's), stripping and weighing each component, then assembling one 'Uber-boat' with all of the lightest components.... I thought I also read somewhere that the Volvo boats came out of the factory within 3kg's of each other, which seems a substantially more difficult task given the size and complexity of those boats. Anyhow, interesting shower thoughts for me, and maybe a bit more than a shower thought for any C&C 30 owners out there.
  14. US Watercraft receivership ? (Alerion etc)

    Personally, the most interesting take-away was the boards with the weights of each itemized component of the C&C 30's. I haven't sailed in this class so there is no real investment for me, however, I was intrigued at some of the discrepancies between hull #'s. Most noticeably, the keel bulb weights between some of the hulls; hull #18 = 1,379 lbs at the lightest, hull #2 = 1,404 lbs at the heaviest for a delta of 25 lbs). I don't sail enough small sporties to know or care how much that matters, but I know it matters because I've heard stories of programs purchasing 3, 4, 5 entire boats (one designs - specifically J70's), stripping and weighing each component, then assembling one 'Uber-boat' with all of the lightest components. Pretty corinthian right :)... I thought I also read somewhere that the Volvo boats came out of the factory within 3kg's of each other, which seems a substantially more difficult task given the size and complexity of those boats. Might repost this in the Sportboat thread in case anyone in the fleet finds it useful. Anyhow, interesting shower thoughts!
  15. US Watercraft receivership ? (Alerion etc)

    the J22, 24, and 35 went for cheap, all but the 35 probably should have. The two Farrs went for a bit more, not in terrible shape. There were close to 600 lots of mostly workshop equipment. Some good deals to be had but more than a few blown out by the sheer volume of the turnout - often 10-12 bidders in on one item, plus the online faction = higher let-go's than most auctions (30-50 on the dollar rather than 5-20).