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  1. 2017 Australian Multihull Championships

    Don't know where to start on this psychotic stuff, but suggest overlay that you read the OMR preamble. A committee of guys who sail all sorts of multihulls look at all the data and if it looks like anything is benefiting without a suitable factor applied, then that is done. Propellors and types were a little blurry so have been fixed for example. If you think that we could sit down and decide what type of boat we were trying to bias against or for, you must think we are geniuses. So did we bias towards the dams before they were born? Wow! We all think the AMC was a great name. As for your level playing field, winners of both divisions were 20 years old and there is no age allowance in our rule. Seems pretty level to me that in div 1 the Ullman Sails old but sweetened boat was close to performance of the new diams in this regatta, and in div 2 a 20 year old standard F28r was so close to a Dash half its age that they deadheated on OMR, and narrowly ahead of a new OAK F-Bomb with Tornado floats (that could well have won overall with fewer breakages). Peter
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    Been up north off the grid for a while and nice to come back to some healthy debate mixed with a few chunks of NFI, so will clean that up first. I never said I only sailed other people's boats only that it works well on big cats for me in the often rough waters of the increasingly expensive northern regattas on wonderful boats like McMoggy, Mojo, Pecadillo, Rushour. All great owners and crew, so the cost is a fraction of taking my own little tri's and busting them up there. Otherwise I sail my own (chronologically) little TT720 Try Flying, F24 Intrigue, F27 IntrIIgue, F22 Boom, and currently F28R Trinity. All on a budget, and some have been on the northern regattas. The F27 had a big year and did ABRW and MIRW with significant costs involved by the time you tow and sort accommodation and berthing. I have never charged my own crew a cent for any regatta or berthing fees, but many have helped with fuel, and all shout me more drinks than I can remember... So calling me a freeloader is probably the dumbest thing you have said here. As for the rest of your dribble, the fantastic crew on all of these boats have pushed me up onto the podium for plenty of gold stars, including a narrow div 2 win in the nationals this month in my beautiful bog-standard 20 year old F28 R with bog standard, plan specified sails. No optimisation, no big dollars, tons of fun hitting above 19 knots in all the passage races. And again, OMR is not perfect but beats the PCHRF whatever chook raffle hands down. It will certainly struggle when foiling on the new breed of boats becomes idiot-proof, in the same way that IRC struggles with the motor-sailers. As for Sports Boat ratings, just say SMS to any of them and get ready for the verbal dump. All of my old skiff mates have lost faith in it and some who sail with me reckon we are miles ahead of it. Peter Hackett (My name, and perhaps if you are going to keep basing your data on "From what I hear" you should change your data source and put your name here too)
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    OMG Rob and Overlay, you guys have so much negative energy on these championships, can you get it positive and actually come sailing so you get a feel for what is really happening? Bushie and I live in a fantasy world that involves getting our very different boats on to the startline and he and I had a FUCKING AWESOME TIME!!! Get off your keyboard warrior trolldom and get wet. My response numerically so you can shoot numbered arrows: 1. OMR run by volunteers responds to variations in boats when the proof is there. Your theoretical world might penalize a device when you think it should be but there is NO CONSISTENT EVIDENCE yet that foils, canting, alfoil hats improve OVERALL performance. Trilogy looked like they got the best out of canting, but did not stay around long enough in that mode for good data. Time Machine has foils and cants, still plenty of development coming but no definite performance improvement yet. The SA F32srx foils and cants and water ballast, plenty of regattas but not winning so no improvement noted. Bare Essentials foils and cants, no massive improvement. Rushour T-rudders seem better but one smashed off already in an impact heading south from Airlie. F-bomb reports longer T-rudders are helping reduce boat jiggle, and better speed but the blades smashed the boxes under load. The old Max seems to go well with T-rudders but with all the improvements they have made like the decksweeper main, can you quantify that for us? GC32 could be a consistent winner, only been here for a couple of weeks and you want us to rebuild the formula on that data? Did you design the Hubble Telescope? 2. The weighing "fiasco" has complicated history going back for years you can ring me about, not going into that detail here. It really is difficult for our volunteers all around the country to weigh accurately and fairly little home built boats as well as big condomorans, but to address the recent issues MYCQ forked out cash for a new remote read out crane hung load cell to be regularly calibrated. It was offered and used during 2 days leading up to this series and it was with a sigh of relief that a lot of skeletons were pulled out of cupboards and smashed into weightless powder. This cell now will do the rounds of the country and other volunteers at regular time intervals and events will add more boats to a collectively improved data pile. Refreshingly, weight was not mentioned ONCE in all the bar time I enjoyed at RQ. Happy? YOU could have even volunteered to help us on those days and will be always welcome. 3. You want a formal appeals procedure for a bunch of volunteers to be subjected to? Come sailing. 4. When all the bullshit is sifted out, this regatta came down to the guys in the boat. You would have far more agreement from the sailors out on the water if you added a rock star column penalty of .03 to the formula for a Ben Kelly skipper on Wilparina 3 or a Morticia-blooded crew on Ullman Sails, or the skiff and hobie champs that yanked on my sails in the series than for the bits you have fixated on. 5. When enough Diam data is collected, they may very well be at the top of the discussion list in the next review. IMHO It may well require some extra measurements to hit the Diams and not the other little chubby boats. Peter H
  4. 2017 Australian Multihull Championships

    My humble take on the ratings game from this week's data. 1. The OMR rule is and always was a development rule and is reviewed and improved once enough data comes in. 2. The O might once have been Ocean but that is history and we try and use it to compare and fairly rate a wide range of boats. It could now be called an Overall MR. Based on the Texel rule originally comparing up to 600 beachcats heading around Texel Island from 1984 http://www.texelrating.org/site/pub/Pagina.php?paginaid=81 3. The last developmental review addressed a number of debated fairness issues including one of my gripes about it being too tough on little trimarans under 24' that don't ever get the full water release and consequent performance jump of a similar cat. I have no F22 at present but the large number of builders and owners of similar boats were virtually doing one race and then selling their boats due to a rating close to .9 based on relatively light weight. StickShift, Daylight Robbery, Midnight Rain are prime examples. At the other end of the LWL were some big Condomorans that were getting very favourable handicaps if they were heavy and this was addressed also. 4. The small boat factor improvement from the last review has now allowed the gorgeous little Diams to get in the same back door. They were not here when the rule was reviewed, and other little boats like the awesomely prepared and designed F-Bomb with modified Tornado floats has rated very well as well, too well according to many. They could easily have won the div 2 nationals with more robust rudders. 5. The Diams were sailed REALLY well by a stream of rock stars. They are a great boat. They are clean and everything works and nothing breaks unless you use your centreboard as a depth sounder (2 out of 3 remodelled Green Island). The conditions were generally fresh to strong which suited them, but on the light windward leewards their hull shape and plywood working sails put them in a world of pain. Many div 2 boats starting 5 minutes behind passed them in the lightest race. In current form I would even go as far to say that a Diam dead downwind in a light Bay to Bay race sailed by Olympic or AC rockstars will still get into Gary's Anchorage on Saturday night after the last boat in the Hartley 16 fleet opens their first light beer. 6. Because the rule is not and never will be perfectly fair, the 2 divisions helps out by keeping boats at each end of the mathematical functions in separate clumps. 7. OMR is a few kilotons better than PHS unless you like winning chooks for being the daily rooster. Peter H
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    Some pix of BIG MONDAY for the viewers. Fresh wind passage race (after a great St Helena Cup where most of us flogged all of the the biggest monohulls on Sunday) and then Tuesday was 2 soft windward leewards. Layday fixup day for us today. <iframe src="https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FRQYS.Manly%2Fposts%2F10154945409236680&width=500" width="500" height="690" style="border:none;overflow:hidden" scrolling="no" frameborder="0" allowTransparency="true"></iframe> https://www.facebook.com/RQYS.Manly/?hc_ref=ARRGlBqO7IYhpTOSPGbdIFauDu9YRCkgRwpVmHZlC-EKoej6affLgsFRWoaqHbDky3I
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    Glad you got back from the deep north bro, starting to worry about you. Would you believe the nominations are still coming in....
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    All in the SI's ! txt me.
  12. Corsair Pulse 600

    We just had word that THREE Pulse 600's are going to join us for the Aussie Multihull Nationals coming up next week! Fantastic. Details on the other forum thread. Peter H
  13. 2017 Australian Multihull Championships

    With boats coming out of the woodwork last minute, the series is looking good with a nice weather pattern of 15 to 20 knot northerlies established all week and hopefully continuing through from the St Helena Cup this weekend to the series starting next Monday Oct 2. Exciting to hear 3 Pulse 600's coming. Measuring and weighing boats on last Friday was almost fun with the new remote readout load cell purchased by MYCQ and the 4 point sling driven by our officials and a crane operator who actually knows boats. Needless to say the club is retaining the crane operator. The cell is going to get a good test again this Friday, and after that will be available for timetabled days in Brisbane as well as being shipped around the country to any big events and timetabled days interstate. This has got to be a big step forward for all of us, and will take the guesswork out of an important part of our rating system. And the old 075 Assassin, now Time Machine, is looking pretty hot. Spies report some hectic training on the bay last week with rockstars sweating on the winches (no bicycles yet although Matty Von does like spinning a wheel. If any of you are around this week and want an unpaid volunteer day up close and personal to the action, our photo girls have the DPSS RIB but no driver for up to 3 days. PM me direct if you can help or 0438695943. Peter H
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    I am going to get there one year Alan, even if I crew with you!!!