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      Abbreviated rules   07/28/2017

      Underdawg did an excellent job of explaining the rules.  Here's the simplified version: Don't insinuate Pedo.  Warning and or timeout for a first offense.  PermaFlick for any subsequent offenses Don't out members.  See above for penalties.  Caveat:  if you have ever used your own real name or personal information here on the forums since, like, ever - it doesn't count and you are fair game. If you see spam posts, report it to the mods.  We do not hang out in every thread 24/7 If you see any of the above, report it to the mods by hitting the Report button in the offending post.   We do not take action for foul language, off-subject content, or abusive behavior unless it escalates to persistent stalking.  There may be times that we might warn someone or flick someone for something particularly egregious.  There is no standard, we will know it when we see it.  If you continually report things that do not fall into rules #1 or 2 above, you may very well get a timeout yourself for annoying the Mods with repeated whining.  Use your best judgement. Warnings, timeouts, suspensions and flicks are arbitrary and capricious.  Deal with it.  Welcome to anarchy.   If you are a newbie, there are unwritten rules to adhere to.  They will be explained to you soon enough.  

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  1. Something different for CA

    Gotcha. So if I want a carbon cutter exactly like the four- or say the last one, as it probably has some evolutionary improvements, do I pay for the design work or just the production. Does the designer get a royalty from the builder? Just asking- I have no use for a carbon cutter... In the case you are referring to with existing tooling and multiple boats already pulled off that tooling, most designers would accept a royalty for the next boat. Of course if you ask for any help or mods you should expect a bill. Intellectual Property is a very important concept in the design business. Unless the Designer agrees to sell a design outright to a customer (almost unheard of) the Designer retains all IP Rights to that design. An individual customer may contract for a one-off build of a design, and pays the fee for that service. This allows them to have one boat produced to the plans. But the Designer still owns the design and may sell it to other clients, in full or modified, unless contracted otherwise. A yard may contract for a design and might pay an upfront fee, plus royalties for every boat produced. Some Designers, usually ones who are hungry, will take the royalties without the fee. The Designer retains the rights to the design. Contracts sometimes stipulate that the Designer will not produce a similar design for some period of time. This ensures the yard will have a chance to recoup their investment before they have to sell against a sistership offered by a competitor. Of course there is a long, sleazy history of builders who don’t pay the royalty fees, including those who acquire the tooling after the initial builder goes out of business or decides they no longer wish to produce that model. There are other instances of builders doing multiple builds from one-off tooling, without the owner or the builder paying the Designer. This is all Theft of the Intellectual Property of the Designer. There are many other questionable practices regarding Intellectual Property in the boating industry. In an earlier thread Bob Perry mentions he did modifications to an Andrews linesplan. In order to do this, he would have needed the original lines plan, provided to him by the builder. Remember the builder did not own that Intellectual Property and had no business giving it to anyone without express written consent of the Designer. When the builder tried to hand that information to Perry he should have said wait, let’s call the Designer and get his OK. On yet another thread Perry talks about doing a weight study and keel design for a Peterson boat under construction. He mentions the builder provided him Peterson’s drawings, including a lines drawing for another “more IOR” hull. Perry kept this Intellectual Property of Peterson’s instead of returning it to the builder! The builder had no right to provide Perry with ANY of the Peterson drawings without express written consent, and certainly not a lines plan that had nothing to do with the work requested. Remember, this project was for a replacement boat for the customer who chose Peterson over Perry for the contract. No Designer would want his current work handed to his direct competitor. It is difficult to understand someone in the Design Business being that cavalier with Intellectual Property Rights of Designers. Is it any wonder others have no respect for the IP of Designers? AIR I'm in the Engineering industry and I disagree with you. If I have a contract with you to design a custom vessel in the process environment and you complete the design as contracted and you get paid in full, then don't I own the IP. The same goes with a custom yacht. Did Bob Perry not ask Kim Bottles' for permission to publish drawings of FL? On SA or any other form of media. We utilize Engineers to check and verify the work of other Engineers when the risk is high and when you require fresh and unbiased professional opinion.
  2. So Aaron Smith screwed a woman in a public disabled toilet. The rest of the All Black team waited a couple of days and screwed a whole disabled team in full view of the public.
  3. Restoration Ron Holland IOR racer Flirt of Paget (2)

    I've followed the thread and all I can say is we need more people like you that are giving back to sailing. There is so much that I've learnt from your thread and there are so many people inspired by your work. Thanks.