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About WanderingWheel

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    I work on FEA for commercial ships (and the occasional toy). FEA utilization has gone through a few evolutions in response to the market condition and the experience of previous ships. in the 1980's it was used primarily to cut the lightweight of the ship and to support the introduction of high strength materials. Unfortunately that went too far and the incorporation of fatigue analysis brought the ships back into line. In the next few decades shipyards became very competitive on price, and did everything they could to "optimize" the structure for build-ability and weight. The worst examples of these are referred to as orange ships because the entire ships looks orange in the pretty green-to-red FEA pictures -- i.e. no margin for error or unexpected circumstances. Now FEA is being used again to bring the ships back from that extreme and to a more realistic structure. The next evolution is likely to use a greater incorporation of vibration and buckling analysis to again pull steel out of the ships. The Class Rules have also been lagging behind the analysis and experience curve with the last major change initiated about 10 years ago and the results (generally positive with some complaints they went too far and others they haven't gone far enough) only starting to come in now. However, it now appears that a ship built to the minimum Class Rules is finally close to acceptable again whereas the previous Class Rules would have approved a woefully inadequate ship. As Bob notes, experience is still one of an engineers greatest assets. You have to be able to look at a structure or drawing and intuitively know if it is "right" or "wrong". When using FEA I have found it very important to know what the answer is before your start, that way you can quickly find errors in the model or can identify and investigate unexpected results. In that sense, FEA is a poor tool if you are not planning to change the structure from the standard, successful designs of the past. However it can be very powerful when designing a unique vessel, incorporating new materials, or reducing weight and cost. For yachts I agree that it is unneeded cost ad time for standard, robust designs with no unusual features, structurally speaking. Yes, racing boats are a good use of FEA, but I would argue that it is money well spent on large-run production boats as well. My goals on the production boats would be to ensure that critical areas -- keel joint, deck joint, rudder, mast step, chainplates, etc. -- are sufficiently strong, and also to reduce construction time. Any weight savings I expect would be negligible but a welcome dividend. I know that many of the large yacht design firms do currently use FEA in this manner.