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  1. So... since some of the best sailors from all classes are sailing there... does anyone have any updates on how the different classes compare? Especially moths vs everything else?
  2. Gitana 17 on Foils

    Jeez this dick measuring contest is getting out of hand!!! Cant you guy just buy a hummer like all other small dicked Americans and leave these forums?
  3. Onefly foiler

    May be a better boat than the Waszp but they about a year too late with launch. Why would you buy that when the Waszp now has solid racing and total control of the market?
  4. 1 tack/jibe per leg extremely costly manouvers literally 0 crew action apart from the 1 tack What exactly was good about that race?
  5. ....got stung by the 'WASZP'?..OD foiler...

    1) Proven design 2) Foiling tacks and jibes 3) fleets with top sailors
  6. Come on ita... look at the speed and the tacking angles.... I agree that the T foils could be more efficient than Z's but you really can't say the s9 is faster than an A cat I really hate manufacturers making stupid claims...
  8. 18'ers 2016/17

    Is it just me or do the 16s look fugly
  9. Oracle Team USA

    They are sailing on the actual racecourse, with 4 boats, 3 of which they own and get data from. They have been running 3 boat testing since they gifted one to Oracle Team Japan.... so yes, they will be tough to beat
  10. Maserati on Foils

    Ok so what you are saying is basically that if I throw a rock of the same wight into a pool it will probably give me more accurate data for the real life boat. Thanks! Oh and displacement on L^3 would really be so off for a high performance trimaran + it fucks up ur righting moment equalities. As I said I am no expert but trust me that your scaling is off by quite a lot.
  11. Maserati on Foils

    Ian Holts boats are fantastic! However, the Fire Arrow is a 100% scale Test Model using a foiling configuration never before used in the history of mankind. The Fire Arrow weighs around three times of one of Ians boats. The Fire Arrow is just for testing and we did all the testing that was necessary to prove the technical side of the configuration before real life intervened to prevent further testing since 7/24/2014. The news about Maserati using the same basic Fire Arrow Foil System is a big break since they have exhaustively tested it and proved beyond a shadow of a doubt how well it works. What exactly is it a scale model of? You do know that Did u use Froude scaling for the hulls and Reynolds for the foils? I am not an expert in this area but i would really like to understand your thought process. Did you also add vortex inducers to simulate the boundary layer growth along the hull that would happen in the bigger boat?
  12. iFLY 15 Foiling Cat

    So here are a couple of point I would like to make: 1- If that is 6 knots then I am from the moon 2- 85 kgs seems extremely heavy for such a small boat 3- The only time I will ever trust speed from a video is if the camera is pointing straight at the gps Apart from that the boat looks really cool. It looks like a high performance version of the s9. Do these guys use push rods to control the foil flap?
  13. Foils

    You need to stop trying to draw assumptions from what you read on the net because you end up reaching wrong conclusions. When I said A's start foiling upwind in around 12 knots, that means that is when upwind foiling begins to pay rather than normal mode sailing. You can foil upwind in less, but the VMG isn't as good. You also need to rethink you magic formula, because you should know that weight is an advantage in upwind foiling with the heavier guys foiling before the lighter ones. Mischa at 85kgs+ foils before the likes of Steve Brewin and Darren Bundock who weigh less that 75kgs. Let's see if you are smart enough to realise why. Hey were you guys foiling upwind at the last worlds? It's really hard to judge from the few videos Can you tell me a speed and angle upwind in 12 knots? The only a class I can see around here is an old shit! nothing like these new beast
  14. ....got stung by the 'WASZP'?..OD foiler...

    I have now sailed the waszp and I really do think that it is more forgiving than a moth. It is really hard to completely stuff up a tack or a jybe and even when you do the extra volume and shape of the bow make it really hard to pitchpole or capsize. It was really fun to just throw it into tacks or jybes without the fear or capsizing
  15. "Actually Extreme" Sailing series

    Yeah they basically never foil upwind. My thinking is that upwind foiling requires super fast traveller trimming and they just cant achieve that