^^THIS^^ is why i keep telling you to sell the boat and foggetabouth this damned site.. the spandex forums are just as fun & everyone pays their own bills and can't latch onto the better racers, unless they can hold a wheel, and we know that's a lot harder than what it takes to join a crew.
As for moving out of Cat4, johnny is all about the ride and not the race.. He barely races, he does do over 10k miles per year and is uber generous to many fellow cyclists, inviting them over for bbqs and well stocked parties...
I first met Espo sailing around 30 years ago, am thankful that I've re-found him cycling.
I guess we get along because everyone thought i was a dick too!
(I also can't believe this thread lives on!)