atwinda

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    What features will the winning boat have?

    This is a really great comparison- same builder, same nationality (you know some do-nothing-brown-nosing-pomie-cunt on the respective planning teams proposed the idea "it would be better if we collaborated with so-an-so to divide responsibility and arrive at converging result faster", or however that sounds when you have your nose up someones ass), however, considering the horses for courses factor, ie, Ineos Team Uk Barge features forward top-sides which are (Airbus ©) optimized for air-flow, while the better-chance-but-nooooooooooot-quite-capabile-of-producing-a-first-place-podium Hugo Boss is optimized for somewhere between air-flow and frontal wave impact and water shedding (knowing they are going to be plowing into "a couple" of waves around the globe). finer entry (Hugo Boss) = can handle waves wider entry (Ineos Future Party Barge) = can handle air Ben should just give both his hulls to the carbon-chipper now to be recycled- they would be more effective as recycled bunk supports for another team, or a junior programs laser/finn dolly if they were feeling in the mood for chairty. Think of all the Sterling and/or carbon emission credits (because they are soooo focused on sustainability) they would save NOT shipping those dogs around the planet, to get eliminated from the Challenger Series (again)... I seriously pitty the boat builders who had to spend so much time, effort, and professionalism producing such off-pace disgraces.
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    INEOS Team GB

    Not so fast... Alinghi DID propose a larger class, the AC90. They, via proxy, even built a boat. It was pretty widely known at the time within the sailing circles that the JV66 Numbers was an R&D effort for the AC90, even though they denied it. https://www.sailingworld.com/sailboats/numbers-judel-vrolijk-66/
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    Team NYYC

    Good work outta them for concealing the bunks and lower hull shape...
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    Emirates Team New Zealand.

    In the case of a laser- you control mast bend with the mainsheet and Cunningham. The more main sheet you pull on, pulls on the leech, which in turn pulls on the head of the sail, and therefore the mast.
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    Emirates Team New Zealand.

    impossible ... The DN was another example I was going to suggest.. but if Kiwing is actually from NZ then he might have had any exposure to iceboats, so skiffs are a more widespread example.
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    Emirates Team New Zealand.

    I hope you realize that virtually every mast (spar, boom, bowsprit, beam, the whole boat, for that matter) bends. Wood, alloy, carbon- they all bend. The standing rigging limits, controls, and often induces bend (think backstays and runners). 170mm is nothing on a rig that length. Have you ever looked at a skiff rig? Mast bend (fore and aft, side to side) is elementary in understanding how to set up and trim a main, just as headstay tension is elementary to set up and trim a headsail. To think that the masts on any race boat would be static and straight isn't even in the conceptual ballpark.
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    Team NYYC

    I eventually ignored him, but it only cut out so much. That being said, what I do continue to see being quoted, is blatantly racist ("te amed", "emeratis", etc..) with the remainder of his "content" having the sole intent of aggravating forum members. If my opinion counted for anything, it would certainly be to remove him and his hateful rhetoric. Additionally, I think a few of the folks who have fallen victim to his trolling/who can post more aggressively contest would benefit from a keyboard break as well.
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    INEOS Team GB

    It's pretty clear to me that his design team is unable to think outside the box.
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    Team NYYC

    Not to mention the placement of their sponsor logos. Also, the main with the integral deck sweeper appears to have a much longer foot length. Assuming the clew webbing 25mm, it's roughly 125-150mm between their reference marks. While I would expect some difference in where the clew ends up depending on the desired camber, 250-300mm is considerable.
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    Luna Rossa Challenge. AC 36

    Could also have something to do with Hap's relationship to Mike Sanderson ala the Bella Mente program.
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    Luna Rossa Challenge. AC 36

    I am unsure of that. I do believe they both share a lamination process, or maybe even the same manufacturing site? Or maybe Q can build sails up to X luff dimension, and they contract the larger sails to Doyle. Pre 3Di, Doyle sails were very popular among the super yacht group, which would mean they had the equipment/process/space to handle larger sails. I would be fairly confident saying that most teams are finishing their own sails, or at least heavily involved in the finishing of the sails at either North or Quantum/Doyle facilities.
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    Luna Rossa Challenge. AC 36

    UK, ITA, and NZL are all using North 3Di, while USA is backed by Quantum. 3Di is a non-woven composite material comprised of thin plys of uni-directional fiber. I could be incorrect, but looking at AM's sails in the most recent pics from Auckland, Quantum are still using "string sail" technology where the strings (fibers) are sandwiched between two outer layers- typically mylar, but in some cases an ultralight woven polyester. I believe they have been using the tafeta (ultralight poly) to attempt to mimic the appearance of the 3Di sails as opposed to the typical use case for tafeta in laminates, durability at the expense of weight. Either way, what you're seeing should be visible on both UK and NZL boats given the right lighting conditions. Each team is likely testing their own fiber layouts (to best handle the loads in a particular area of the sail), and in the case of 3Di they might be able to also vary the tapes they are using to achieve some desired result. Think back to the IACC days when the 3DL headsails used higher modulus carbon (black in color) up the leech and luff, and lower modulus and more forgiving aramid (yellow/gold in color) in the foot and areas subjected to impacts on the rig or deck as a simple use case. The finish (what you're considering sheen) of the 3Di would, however, be very similar from team to team. Edit: It is possible that "external" tapes (HMPE, aramid, or poly, or even a blend) could be applied to 3Di, but unlikely as this is typically reserved for off shore sails which need to withstand a lap of the planet. Inshore specific sails, and in particular sails for the AC would focus more on weight savings and having just enough fiber to support the sail shape.
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    Stars and Stripes Team USA is gone

    Forgive me if I missed this, as I skimmed all the new action in this thread. I personally think it's only good for the event to have another team on the line. Realistically, I don't believe their chance of success is much better than Groupama in Bermuda, and I would expect their performance to be similar; Mostly "off pace", but "even a blind squirrel can find a nut every once in awhile". They might take a race here or there, but it's seriously unlikely given the lack of on the water experience. Something I believe most posts have not taken into account is that S+S bought a design package from ETNZ already. Obviously none of us are privy to the details of that agreement or what details may be shared among the teams, or if that deal had to be cleared by the other teams(IT, USA, UK). S+S hull mold may very well have been a carbon copy of ETNZ B1 for all we know. They may even have agreed to share upgrades as they were developed by either team. When you approach S+S as a first-time challenger trying to learn the game, the picture is not quite the same as sharing information with top tier competitors. Here's some wild speculation for you folks... What if S+S had the front bit of their mold and were able to layup that section, and splice It onto ETNZ B1 would it be possible for them to fulfill the CIC constraint? Could their request with the panel include a "we could go to this whole extreme, or can we just agree to let us use the boat for the benefit of the event?"
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    INEOS Team GB

    I agree that statically a catamaran is more stable when sitting still. However, I14's and other similar skiffs will also just tip over at the dock like the AC75... both skiffs and similar size cats will all capsize on the water, so I don't see why you and others continuously bitch about the stability factor of the AC75s. By that logic, we should stop sailing any vessel that can flip over because they are too dangerous. Why not just take a break from all that and enjoy the damn show.
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    INEOS Team GB

    No more vulnerable than the AC50's. They had to grind enough pressure into the accumulators between maneuvers. IIRC the grinders aren't responsible for the hyrdo on the FCS this time, so it's just a battery-powered pump that has that job now, which might make it seem more like a penalty.
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    Emirates Team New Zealand.

    Well, only one team has both an AC72 and an AC75... guess you're going to have to ask Dalts to recommission the 72 and do an exhibition race to replace his missing $3mil bucks.
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    Emirates Team New Zealand.

    Not to get in the middle of you two, but it would be fair to point out a few things. It's reasonable to assume that an AC50/F50 would be able to resume sailing after a capsize if it had a soft sail. The wing sails seem to take the most damage from the capsize. Other damage did occur but seemed more superficial, fairings, film, etc.. So I would attribute the AC75's ability to continue sailing more to the rig and sail choice and to the lack of exposed fairings. As far as "The F50s are more unstable than the AC75" is concerned- The AC75 would tip over at the dock without the right precautions. It would be hard-to-impossible to reasonably compare their stability in the context you're suggesting until after the AC75's have been used in an actual regatta and the teams are put into boat handling situations outside of their practiced maneuvers sailing around the course by themselves.
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    Team NYYC

    The Auckland web cam still shows the boat shrink wrapped next to the shed which is still under construction...
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    Team NYYC

    Backup plan.. incase you snap your good boat in half. I believe that ETNZ shipped the decommissioned AC72 B1 hulls and components to SF, but I could easily be incorrect on that one.
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    INEOS Team GB

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    Stars and Stripes Team USA is gone

    promising, but not long enough. google says the typical parking space is 9 feet wide, so even then those are 10' wide spaces, it's around 10' short.
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    Team NYYC

    And obviously the question to your competely off base question is, No. They don't. Nor do any of the other teams. So what's your point?
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    Team NYYC

    God job! You finally answered! I mean it's only taken you three posts to spew absolute bull shit and make wild false assertions, but don't let the real world get in your way, right? As for your answer on the other hand - "Yes. No question. Watch the video". I haven't seen a video of AM capsizing their AC75. Care to share?
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    Team NYYC

    Internesting statement from someone who hasn't been able to answer a simple question.
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    Team NYYC

    I asked you a question- you didn't answer. Plain and simple. I did not "spin" anything. Answer the question. As far as your guarantee goes- ETNZ has already proven that they can still win the America's Cup after their AC50 was on it's side. FACT.