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  1. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    By realizing that once SHTF you did all you could do until the situation was over. That you stayed until the person was found and airlifted out. That you did NOT decide that you were holed had enough. That (according to articles) you were the ones that found him while others may have not until much later. (Equipment, training, perhaps a mast to send someone up to look down from.) Beyond that, professional help. Esp. for the "How did we get into this mess" part.
  2. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    It looks like the rest of the organization is working their responses to the full extend of their job description. Which is good but not good enough. As you have said there are things that only the leadership can do. It's the CEO's job to put his head out there... What I despise most about this is that VOR should know better. They should have a set of canned, approved responses to go with during the first hours of an incident. "Collision, loss of life" seems to be an obvious thing to plan for... There may be differences because of local culture. Ok, I get that. Something to plan for, worst case that is something to play the sponsor card on! Call the emergency contacts at DF and Scallywag, tell them that SHTF, that their team is not involved but that VOR needs some expert assistance on local culture and expected reactions ASAP. That should be enough to avoid the worst blunders. Overall reading through articles the best thing that happened in all of this mess was probably that Vestas 11th Hour Racing stayed until they found the owner.
  3. Maserati HK to London

    Day 4
  4. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    That is were getting ahead of the story comes in. Even with an absolute minimum statement devoid of any content. "Something happened. The professional are working on it. We do not know more at this time." They should have been able to get away with it for a good while - As long as it happened before speculation and worse reporting gets out of control. (*) Instead it took them a long time to acknowledge anything at all. Ever since it looks like they are doing the absolute minimum. - And blunder even that. Starting with stupid comments in the live. Not going back and adding more piety to arrival articles like mentioned upthread. (I think owning it with an edited line is justified here.) It's also the more active stuff does not happen. Say going through communication with the MRCC and clarifying some things to the public. The discussion why other boats did not stop to help is still festering. Without any acknowledgement or reaction from VOR, other than a gag order to sailors and presumably teams that is.... *: There were apparently journalists in the media center when and where(!) information about the incident rolled in. Ok, it may be easy to mistake their articles for those of staff writers most days but thought that they would not write about it, quickly? A black Volvo limousine stops before the VOR headquarter. People in suits enter the building. "We are from the government and we are here to help." No, wrong movie. It will be more like: "We own you, now jump."
  5. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    I'm wondering at which point Volvo will hit VOR management with a clue by four. Or just starts directly to damage control them.
  6. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    That could be changed by being more obvious about it. Have an arrival gate offshore, go through it. RC says no time to burn? Continue to the finish. If time has to be burned go around a TBD mark and once more through the gate again, then finish. If nothing else it might at least spark a war if windward leeward or triangle or something else is the preferred holding pattern. If there is a fixed gate the decision where to place the burning mark can be quite late. But since it is an SA idea it certainly won't float under current management.
  7. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    Vestas is more than just a boat sponsor this round (a boat on which 11th Hour Racing has the much bigger logo to boot), they are an race partner too. 3 race partners this round, Inmarsat, Vestas, 11th Hour Racing. 11th Hour Racing is also founding principal partner for the sustainability project. This is not just any boat.
  8. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    Given now the last protests went the only point we'll see such a protest is IF it goes through AND if it changes the ranking... Changes to make arrivals safer. Arrival in daytime would help a lot. But how to make that happen? Adding a late way point was possible during leg 1 to turn the finish into a photo op. Doing the same for a finish with known high collision risk because there are fleets of small boats, many known to be unlit, in the area is not different. VOR should be able to find out where the fishing fleets usually are, and then time it so that there is some amount of light when the boats enter the area. Even if that happens to be 30+nm offshore. The boats are usually close enough to arrive within hours of each other. Just in case add in the rule form the Melbourne arrival that the RC may shorten the course after one or more boats have finished. That way the tail end can be taken out of race mode at sunset to concentrate on the course. Not too complex, does not add pauses to the race, has been done before. First and foremost: Turns the finish into an photo op.
  9. Maserati HK to London

    Day three. They did not forget to pack a drone but need a bit more work compared to the VOR. They certainly got time left in this record attempt to learn more. Lets hope they also packed drone 2 and 3.
  10. Maserati HK to London

    Looks like they are doing daily videos (in Italian): Day one Day two
  11. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    Chances are that DF talked to the local MRCC and that the MRCC said they were not needed. Something they might want add to future statements.
  12. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    Of course there is always more info. Even more importantly not everything needs, should or indeed can to be told. The disconnect are the hours that VOR went on with the live coverage as if nothing happened while social media was exploding with speculation about the yarn ball of a track Vestas developed on the tracker. It is not the first time that things went very wrong in the VOR. This is supposed to be one of the top events in sailing. They should have had a canned, signed off response that acknowledges a situation but says nothing. I think going out with such a non message would have done a lot to reduce the sheer amount of speculation. Once Maydays go out and MRCCs are involved the story will come out, get ahead of it while you can. On the race internal side that is probably also the point at which you call the other teams and ask for a more subdued arrival. A message the fish bowl obviously did not get... (Asking why the crew is not partying upon crossing the line. Idiots.) Looks like it. Going out early with a canned, pre approved "Something happened, more later." response on the live would have done a whole lot to shape the overall message. Even if it is blindingly obvious that there wont be any further information any time soon.
  13. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    Also in wider racing. Chances are that this has effects way beyond the VOR. 11th Hour Racing too. They are not only boat sponsor but Race Partner and principle founding partner for the sustainability projects.
  14. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    That is the VOR side. I meant the forum side and the quest for empathy. There was a lot of concern but nothing reported yet. Later more information trickled in via reporters and started a dispute about the quality of it. That this news also ratcheted up the concerns for everyone involved got lost.
  15. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    At the time we were starting to talk about the erratic track there was quickly concern for a MOB. Soon thereafter also for 3rd party, things were taking too long / looked too erratic. That was a long time before ANY VOR statement whatsoever. The first statement was more than a hour after that. The first edits adding details came hours after that. The helicopter edits again hours after that.