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  1. Craigslist Finds

    Freeboard looks too high to be a Sunfish.
  2. Sailing around the world in a San Juan 24

    Any more info regarding this rumor?
  3. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    I don't think redress is given for a collision, unless it's with another sailboat participating in a race. Let's say Vestas had collided with a shipping container or sea animal...even if they weren't at fault, they wouldn't be given redress.
  4. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    We don't know that the fishing boat was engaged in fishing at the time of collision.
  5. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    I'm guessing there's a delay while their legal team edits their press releases.
  6. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    It depends on what your definition of is is. Pretty stupid to argue over a trifling detail.
  7. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    The hole is close enough to bow of Vestas that heel angle wouldn't change height above water very much. 10 aboard isn't a stretch, don't know what kind of fishing they were doing. It's possible that the boats tangled, and a piece of gear like an outrigger made the hole, but it looks to me like it was the hull.
  8. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    Assuming the horizontal tear was from the sheer of the fishing boat, I'd estimate about 3' of freeboard...probably less than 30' length. Boat may not have much damage, but was swamped and sank nearly immediately. Just some SA speculation.
  9. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    Because the SI story reported Vestas pulled the fishermen from sinking boat/water, and the other story reported that another commercial vessel (fishing boat?) transported the 9 uninjured to shore. Both can be true.
  10. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    All crew aboard Vestas were reported safe. The casualty was from aboard a Chinese fishing vessel. Reasonable assumption they were 1) Chinese, and 2) a fisherman.
  11. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    Reported the injured fisherman died.
  12. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    And the crew will be questioned by police before media has access.
  13. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    It's entirely possible that Vestas rescued the fishermen, transferred 9 to another vessel to take to shore, and transferred the critically injured to the chopper. Not every detail has been reported yet. its also possible that the other VOR boat was waved off so as not to complicate a chopper extraction with another tall mast in vicinity. Basic facts reported appear accurate. The exact details will make themselves clear soon enough.