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  1. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    And of course the pre-orders will be COD.
  2. Aft mainsheet

    Hmm. Yup - you are right. I stand corrected. It just needs the old double switcheroo of the the tiller and main sheet behind the back. I had to dig into my memory vault of sailing the 70's FJs we had at the club. They were rigged exactly like the Enterprise in the photo.
  3. Aft mainsheet

    And transom sheeting pretty much forces you to turn and look backward when you tack. This can result in some sloppy maneuvers. Less than ideal - cat sailors don't have that much problem with the mainsheet aft because the boat slows dramatically (if not to a stop...) when you go head to wind.
  4. Aft mainsheet

    Easy-peasey - I hope this is legible. This one is deadened on the port side, up through a block on the boom, then down through a ratchet block on the starboard side. You could add purchase if you want by having a block with a becket on the boom, run the mainsheet from the becket through a block on the port side of the transom then back up through the block on the end of the boom, the down through a ratchet block on the starboard side. There are a ratchet/cleat assemblies you an use, but without a stable base it might be difficult to cleat/uncleat.
  5. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    Just a musical interlude!
  6. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    And in Tillerman style:
  7. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    I am sure you are right - the $1,000,000 over 5 years will be comprised of all kinds of "difficult to put a value on unless you are LP" items. But even if the $1,000,000 is overstated in true dollar terms, it still looks to be a shitty business with several disruptors to drag it further down the toilet.
  8. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    So that means it is even a worse financial deal than I surmised. Noting RKoch's comments about sails, spars and parts, it appears to me that the only parts that are actually exclusive to Sunfish are the sails, spars and foils. The rest are pretty much consumable "brand name" fittings - Harken, Holt, RWO - that I don't believe would get any money into LP's pockets. I understand replacement sails on a fairly regular basis, but spars and foils? No wonder LPE are constantly in the red. Looks like they want to continue that trend!
  9. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    OK - let's pretend the number is 3000, which is probably aggressive. They retail for $4200 (WestCoast), so let 's say the markup is 15% - wholesale price $3570. Gross revenue (boats alone) $10,710,000. It has been opined above somewhere that 10% of new boats are sold to those who race. So that's $1,071,000. What is a respectable margin on small boat manufacturing? 25%? So LP are netting about $270,000 a year from the racing Sunfish sailor. And they are going to kick back to the Association (or Organization) $200,000 per year. I do realize McLaren are going to be contributing to this kickback, but still, this makes no fucking financial sense unless all my assumptions are way off the mark, or they are making a grotesque amount of money selling parts to the racing sailor. Why wouldn't LP just focus on the market they have allegedly cornered with the recreational market? Is this just some weird act of narcissism? Enlightenment welcomed!
  10. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    Stepping back a few thousand boat lengths, I don't think I can recall ever reading about the actual size of the prize in all this. How many new Sunfish are sold in a year? Any idea of annual revenues generated by LP in Sunfish/Sunfish related products?
  11. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    "The World Council shall consist of one member from each of the six continents of Africa, Asia, Australia, Europe, North America, and South America, appointed by the officially recognized NSCAs within the continents; one member appointed by the Builder(s); one member appointed by the intellectual property owner; and the ISCO President. " So who is organizing all this? There has to be a genesis somewhere. Who wrote the Constitution? One of the Gadaffi offspring?
  12. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    LP has no interest in running a class organization LP has interest in ruining a class organization LP has no class
  13. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    Who gets to do that?
  14. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    The Constitution tells us how the Board is comprised, not who sits on it. So has anyone been appointed yet?
  15. Huh? New Sunfish Class?