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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.


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  1. Around 1980 owned a Cal3-30 inventory was all Dacron or nylon. Mylar laminate sails were appearing on other boats. One race day during pre start maneuvering my foredeck at the mast during a tack pulls out a big sheet of Saran wrap and shakes and snaps it yelling "Mylar" to the fleet. He got me laughing so hard we were late for the start. Robin
  2. there was a thread that was full of boat pictures from this era titled something like "some of my old sailing photographs" Robin
  3. Many years ago, while staying in Mustique (so this may be out of date) chartered a boat for a day sail and tour of St Vincent. Left early in the morning and left St Vincent before dark. Left the boat in Kingston, hired a car and guide for the rainforest which was absolutely spectacular. Had no trouble and would highly recommend it. I have not stayed overnight on a yacht in St Vincent. Robin
  4. I have a very old pair (late 1980s or early 90s) of Steiner Commander RS 2000 (7x50) (military--ugly green) with compass that were so beaten up (used and abused for more than 20 years on various race boats) that my crew actually bought me a new pair of sailing binoculars and I put the Steiner's aside. I recently sent them back to the factory to see if they could be refurbished and requested a quote. About 8 weeks later a completely refurbished pair appeared on my doorstep, free of charge. They are like new and I do mean like new. All of the optics are great and the compass is working, etc. There is real value in a company like that. Consider finding a pair on ebay if you do not want to purchase new. Robin
  5. 3 boat length circle
  6. PS. As it happens, in my opinion (not fact) course configuration and an over emphasis on "pure" windward--leeward racing has diminished participation. Robin
  7. In a number of other threads I have tried to make the point that all of the anecdotal reasons for falling participation (too costly, competing activities, wrong courses, gender balancing, cannot find crew, and many more) are just that "anecdotal". Until we as a sailing community really devote ourselves to gathering actual facts from non sailors or former sailors it will be difficult to find a cure. The answers of course may well depend and vary by geography. Robin
  8. LC Take a look at the Chicago Area III thread. Many people there that you could pm. Each of the Chicago area YCs has a crew site, post your resume. The principal ones are Chicago YC, Columbia YC, Chicago Corinthian YC, Burnham Park YC and Jackson Park YC. There is very good non brick and mortar club called MORF (Midwest Open Racing Fleet). Each of the major offshore one design fleets has a web site--Tarten 10s (T10), J105s, Farr 40s, Ben 40.7, Ben 36.7 and I am sure I am leaving some out. Consider going to the boat show in Mid January--many connections to be made with clubs and vendors, sailmakers etc. When you get offers, and you will, if you have questions feel free to PM me. I am currently without a boat but have been an active racer or boat owner/skipper in the Chicago Area since the mid 1970s. Welcome to Chicago, Robin
  9. That should be the business of the individual fleets, not CASRA. CASRA stated that as one of its goals. For most people, including me, who care about the sport the greater the participation the better the racing and the better long term outlook for the sport. Every sailing organization (CASRA or otherwise) has an interest in that outcome. Robin
  10. I beg to differ. Each of the 5 Clubs went into sailyachtracing.com and pulled the email addresses of the boat owners who entered THEIR clubs races. This did not include crew, dinghy sailors, participants, etc., UNLESS the survey link was sent to them by a friend. I suspect most of the answers were provided by boat owners, and probably less than 10% were "others." The important point is to listen to the customer. CASRA has done this and invited those customers to a town hall meeting to assure the customers were listened to and in fact added additional changes to the 2017 program from the feedback from the town hall meeting. Glenn, There is value in the CASRA survey just not as much as either you or they suggest. For example, at the meeting I had a conversation with two skippers (owners), both of whom were yacht club members (of the big two) who never received the survey. So, while the survey may provide some guidance for the Clubs for 2017 I believe that it is very flawed and insufficient for the future STATED GOAL of increasing participation of currently non racing boat owners. Second point, is that the very fact that you have to speculated as to the percentage of "others" demonstrates the survey was flawed. In this instance the demographics of those surveyed is critical. The CASRA survey is only an imperfect beginning. Robin
  11. Random, even if you are right the thread deals with people that own boats and are a potential market to race them. By definition if you own one you have gotten away from the video screen. Not non sailors being introduced to or staying with the sport. My own observations in response to yours, not statistic or data based is that I never had trouble attracting people in their mid to late 20s to sailing on my boats whether racing or cruising(observation ends with sale of the boat in December of 2015). Robin
  12. In order to answer this I must provide context. Did not grow up sailing. My wife and I were looking for a possible shared activity that took advantage of Chicago's special attributes, the Lake. At wedding of a law school classmate, shared a table with a cruising boat owner and invited ourselves out. He was looking for people to sail with him and to help him with the boat (his family was not interested). Went out cruising and both of us fell in love with sailing. Did yard work, helped with the boat. Through him met racers and started racing on boats (foredeck) and fell in love with racing, while still doing yard work and some cruising, my wife continued to sail with him. However, the "shared activity" was gone. The racing fleets were far more sexist then than now. So we bought into a cruiser/racer with another couple both of whom sailed and went racing with a crew of my choice (including my wife--surprisingly we are still married). So the answer as to why I took my boat racing for the first time was so that I could chose my own crew and sail with my wife. Robin
  13. I have tried to make this point on other threads. With the exception of the few boat owners (racer cruisers even if one design) that do not race their own boats that have responded with why they do not almost all of the responses on this thread are from people who race their boats or race on other people's boats. The responses are anecdotal and do not provide a basis for decision making. We, at least in the Great Lakes area, need to ask (truly survey) only those who own sailboats and do not race them, Why, What might cause them to try, what barriers need to be overcome, etc. Until we have real data it we are simply guessing. Robin
  14. Do you own a boat ? Didn't you sell yours? It seems like every comment you make is about the way it 'used to be'. With all respect, things have changed- alot. Yes I sold my boat. How do you get that I value "how it used to be" out of "Clearly there is something wrong with what we are doing today but the answer is not organizing around yacht clubs or even around current racers but rather in [sic] our target market which is owners of sailboats that do not race." I am still an active racer on other peoples boats and I truly believe that while well intended that CASRA is much more of the same. It is a yacht club oriented effort. I hope that CASRA is successful in turning out more YC members to the races and improves attendance among racers that are not YC members. My point is and was that we should do something radically different. I am not wedded to the past but I have learned from it. Regards, Robin