Bumpy Water Bill

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  1. Bumpy Water Bill

    what are you listening to right now ... part trois

    And here I was thinking no one had ever heard of them but the locals! Excellent.
  2. Bumpy Water Bill

    what are you listening to right now ... part trois

    Pretty much everybody knows that! I can't even listen to the old Dead tunes any more. Because sad. Jerry, why'd ya have ta go and die for!?!
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    what are you listening to right now ... part trois

    YellowJackets That's some bad ass growling keys right there! Bass player's not too bad, either!
  4. Bumpy Water Bill

    what are you listening to right now ... part trois

    Jimmy Haslip doing some
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    FAIR Act to Reform Asset Seizure Laws

    Kind of a "name them and shame them" kind of thing. If one were to start naming and shaming any of the big dogs, like FBI and other feds, one is likely to get a very unsettling knock on the door.
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    FAIR Act to Reform Asset Seizure Laws

    Brandeis keeps popping up in these conversations on the 1st, 4th, and 5th around here. As far as property seizure goes, all I remember is about it's use as evidence, Weeks and Olmstead, for instance. I couldn't find anything much from Brandeis about the seizure itself, or how to get it back. Besides, the legal bar for use as evidence is a lot higher than the bar just to legally steal someone's stuff. So, Brandeis. You got anything?
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    FAIR Act to Reform Asset Seizure Laws

    I don't see how he ever got his boat back at all under current law and rulings. The boat's guilt was not disputed. Fear of embarrasment? That never stopped them before!
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    FAIR Act to Reform Asset Seizure Laws

    From Cornell's legal site: Courts have come to recognize that two aspects of due process exist: procedural due process and substantive due process. Procedural due process aims to ensure fundamental fairness by guaranteeing a party the right to be heard, ensuring that the parties receive proper notification throughout the litigation, and ensures that the adjudicating court has the appropriate jurisdiction to render a judgment. Meanwhile, substantive due process has developed during the 20th century as protecting those right so fundamental as to be "implicit in the concept of ordered liberty." I guess if the hearing is before the same guy who authorized the seizure theft of your stuff, ie a district attorney, then you are basically screwed.
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    FAIR Act to Reform Asset Seizure Laws

    And has anyone actually argued deo dandum in the US, or is it kind of an implied common law principle? Besides, the deodand was actually forfeited to the church, not he crown, originally. Then came HenryVIII and all that. And more besides, Deo Dandum was abolished in 1632. I looked it up. How late was the Royal Navy still using the principle? (-edit- Wiki says 1846. Big difference in modern relevance there!)
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    FAIR Act to Reform Asset Seizure Laws

    Sorry, I didn't mean "you" TR, I should have said "one". Also, I know that one can argue any side of any argument. I was being rhetorical, kind of like the "how can you say that!?!" falacy. I think we're all in the same choir here, at least thus far. Please elucidate about who has made that argument, that the seizure or forfeiture is itself the required due process? And how in the heck they are winning so far, legally? Dhat make no sense!
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    FAIR Act to Reform Asset Seizure Laws

    And then the Const. establishes some Law of the Land against seizure without due process. You can't argue that the seizure or forfeiture itself is the due process.
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    FAIR Act to Reform Asset Seizure Laws

    Due process here refers, or is supposed to refer, to a hearing of some kind in which a judge says it's OK, thereby implicitly opening an avenue for appeal of the judge's ruling. Not to the seizure itself. And besides, John Hancock and them said "Fuck the British, anyway!" sort of... actually, they weren't really big on generalities. They listed out the "He Hases" against ol' Georgie without really offering much of a plan past "Let's whup 'em and toss 'em out!" paraphrases mine.
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    FAIR Act to Reform Asset Seizure Laws

    And besides, if you want to use Britlaw as a basis for asset seizure, what about the Magna Carta? It says right here, in Section 39, No free man shall be seized or imprisoned, or stripped of his rights or possessions, or outlawed or exiled, or deprived of his standing in any other way, nor will we proceed with force against him, or send others to do so, except by the lawful judgment of his equals or by the law of the land."
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    FAIR Act to Reform Asset Seizure Laws

    Oh, I see. That does apply pretty closely. So how is that implicitly or explicitly included in the US constitutional system?
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    FAIR Act to Reform Asset Seizure Laws

    And then there are the 5th No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. and 14th (excerpt mine) nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law amendments, with their Due Process clauses.