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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.

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  1. Nope, sounds about like the prices I get quoted every time I go to the big Sydney International Boat Show and price lithium batteries. I'll be at the next show in 4 weeks and I fully expect the prices to still be ridiculous. Tesla Corp is selling a massive battery pack for the price these guys want for a single 12V battery. Something is wrong here and I won't play. FKT He is right about the cost ratio of quality premade batteries to roll-yer-own being about 3:1. He's just off a bit about the prices on the ground here in Oz, and he's forgetting about the GST. Which I should be able to rebate if I'm out of here in less than sixty days.
  2. Agreed - the requirements are radically different. If I was a weekender or part time cruiser that visited marina with any frequency I'd approach this completely differently. Someone like KDH, his solution is perfect for how he uses his boat. Putting LFP tech in it would be silly and expensive.
  3. That may be fine in the PNW. It's not how I want to live, and I've no clue where I could have bought ice in the Tuamotus.
  4. By implication, if he's collecting SS he's paid into it at some point by actually holding a job for a period and paying in. Or he's disabled. The latter seems more likely...
  5. <Sigh>...so once again you think I have not researched this for more than fifteen seconds. No one is having me on, and I am not a moron as you are implying for about the fifth time in this thread. 1) I'm doing 17,280 Watts - 720Ah @ 24V. Not 400Ah @ 24V - almost twice that. The cell costs once you've rebated out the 10% GSD and converted to USD (@ .75 USD/AUD) is about $8,677. It is well within the price range you mention. I could have saved maybe $1,000 by ordering them directly from China myself and dealing with the import headaches, duties, and the risk of wiring a big pile of money off to China and waiting for the cells to maybe not show up anywhere near the time promised. This fellow was a little more, but his lead time for the cells was weeks, not months like the others I talked to. In fact, he's one of the guys you recommended in your PMs. 2) The BMS units I've seen run from $300 or so up to about $2K. There are a number of low end systems out there in the price range you mention. Feature wise, the one I am using is much more capable in function than some of the cheaper units (some features I preferred include CAN communication with chargers, very open ability to monitor the system, extremely flexible range of options for configuring battery protection, etc. etc.). My choice, I could have gone with a much, much cheaper one. Is it overkill for this application? Maybe. I've got a friend on another boat using the same system, and I like what his does for him and he's quite happy with it on his boat in a similar application to mine. The pricing on this BMS is not out of line with the cost for buying it from a third party in Europe, plus the premium for shipping it to Australia and adding in their GST (10%, which I will get rebated when I leave). e.g. the BMS processor from a Euro website is EUR 359, which translates to $536 AUD. Add in the shipping, GST and other costs associated with it being here in Oz, and $660 AUD for the unit is entirely reasonable. Yes, I could have saved a few hundred bucks importing it myself and waiting weeks or more...or I could order it from a guy who has stock. The BMS pricing I mentioned includes $1,231 AUD (about $840 USD after GST) in actual charges for Emus branded products, including a Bluetooth adapter so I can monitor the batteries on a wireless Android device. The rest of the money goes to spares, connectors, fuse blocks, wiring, contactors, converters, etc. etc. There's nothing surprising here, and if you think I have not crossed checked the price of every single major component against a supplier elsewhere to ensure that pricing is in line you're a bit daft. I am not.
  6. The price difference is HUGE between Victron, Mastervolt and roll your own. I had a back and forth with Victron when we were discussing chargers and they wanted to know why I wasn't using their batteries. I had to point out to them that their 12V 160 Ah battery costs $3,452.70 AUD at Outback Marine. I'm installing a 24V 720Ah bank. An 800Ah Victron bank would cost $34,527 AUD just for the batteries (I could do less...640Ah for $27,621), not including any charger upgrades which I'd have to make for any battery install. While their BMS is cheaper because so much of it is already integral to the pre-made batteries, it isn't free. Mastervolts are worse...I found a 24V 180Ah battery for $10,136.01 AUD. I'd need four of those to get the same capacity... My cells are $12,560 AUD with shipping. My BMS seems expensive at $3,146.32 AUD compared to Victron's $188 VE.Bus BMS, that price also includes a spare BMS processor ($622) and cell monitor ($34), as well as a full electrical diagram, wires pre-labelled for installation, upgraded 500A contactors (boy that bow thrusters is a pig), cell monitors, and upgraded active balancing. I'm buying a lot of the hardware that is installed in the Victron battery packs separately. At the end of the day though, I'll spend less than half on my bank. If you are doubling the cost a $1,000 item, you can maybe make a good argument to me on the value and quality of say, a Victron interverter-charger versus Brand X. It is a bit harder to swallow when it's a $15-20,000 project you are doubling the cost of; that's a significantly larger whack out of my wallet especially when the tech doesn't look all that superior.
  7. A couple of these socks I recognize. But some, I do not. It is entirely possible we've got some directed social media manipulation going on. There are a LOT of guys with frogs in their icons or "deplorable" as part of their names on Twitter that sound just like these angry clowns.
  8. I really don't need to pick up every single dog turd on the ground and sniff it to know it's shit. The ignore function is similar. I don't need to read any more posts from the shitposting trolls to know it will be stupid. Just like I don't need to read any posts from certain posters to know it's disingenuous nonsense, even if they aren't shit posters if they play the same games over and over again I lost interest with engaging them. Same for the willfully stupid and obdurate. The eye can not NOT read something you see. I read very quickly, and even scanning through a thread I'll see more than enough to want to reply and get embroiled in the shit. It's not worth it, there is literally nothing that some of these clowns will ever say that is engaging and I'm not interested in rising to bait. You can keep sniffing turds if you want to, that's why ice cream comes in flavors.
  9. Oh look, another Brentboat that can't claw off a lee shore.
  10. It's not even a one-upping. He's got nothing to grab onto, and he's got try and fling some shit.
  11. Yup, for indoctrinating those little minds before they are fully formed enough to develop adult reasoning capabilities and deal with abstract concepts. Again...why to the taxpayers need to pay for that?
  12. I thought he said $15 on the phone...but it's only a month. A dolly would cost more than the boat...I think the club has a dock for dinghies but the racks are full. He's sitting in a slip with it.
  13. Think of all the helpless kittens.... You all might want to PM the Editor about it. Ad content was never in my purview anyway.
  14. I'm not sure that a playground qualifies quite the same way as putting out a fire or stopping a crime. If the church didn't have a playground, it wouldn't need re-surfacing. Why does it need to have a playground? My church growing up didn't have a playground (though it did have some nice wide open fields for playing football and baseball). Of course, you know my feelings in general on the tax free nature of churches...
  15. That doesn't mean the state can discriminate against a group of citizens because they hold certain beliefs. So can the Muslim kids come play on that playground?