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  1. d-zero v aero

    I don't think its a "shallow piece". Just one guys view of sailing both boats on the same weekend and same water. He had initially favoured the concept of the Aero but found it unappealing with first hand experience over the day in fairly good breeze. At least there was good breeze when I was there for a while on the Saturday. Probably 15kts easy, enough to send a handful of boats to the comforts of the shore anyway. Certainly the kind of conditions that can lead to a bath in an unfamiliar boat. I think someone said there were some epic holes in the wind leading to windward capsizes going upwind. Sunday was pretty poor like that too so it wouldn't surprise me. From my point of view he came to the club on the Sunday and didn't want to sail the Aero again choosing instead to sail his Laser. Which is shame for the class, I think. I offered him the chance to try a D-Zero, considering it a good idea given he was interested in both classes, he jumped at it. To say he was impressed is an understatement. That's just the way it was, for that guy, on that piece of water, that weekend. As for this sea boat, lake boat thing, I don't buy that at all. There are a good few guys tearing about on the salty stuff in D-Zeros now and absolutely loving it. That's not to say that someone, at some point, didn't have a less than positive sea based experience in a D-Zero but it raises a lot of questions about rig, technique, conditions etc... its taken me a year of building up the wind strength to get comfortable with blasting downwind in big breeze with the D-Zero and figuring how to set it, and me, up to survive the trip and get to the next mark quickly. I can pull that off in 30kts (I'd be in the bar if it got much stronger than that and the club would not schedule racing) now which I think speaks volumes for the boat and all on the one rig.
  2. D Zero

    Over the winter several of us, at my water, have been out in all sorts. I'm 5'10" and 73kg and have managed 30kts+. It took some time to work up to those kind of wind strengths and learn how to tune the rig for it. In the end I was a little stunned out how comfortable it went upwind in those conditions! Goes well downwind in a blow too.
  3. D Zero

    This thread has been quiet for a while! I thought I'd post a video that a friend of the Class Association put together for the recent London Dinghy Exhibition.
  4. d-zero v aero

    Yeah, Draycote Dash, may give that a go. Stella though, really? Got to be Peroni, surely?!
  5. d-zero v aero

    I know quite a few D-Zeros "did the circuit" on the Winter series last year. I would think the same will happen again. I plan to do the Grafham Grand Prix and possibly Stevie Nich, at least.
  6. D Zero

    The Great Lakes handicapping, in the UK, have given the Aero 9 and the D-Zero the same rating at 1031. They've also given the Aero 7 and D-Zero Blue the same rating at 1059. These will change over time as more data becomes available, I'm sure, but there are numbers out there at least.
  7. D Zero

    Good review of the D-Zero, alongside the RS Aero, by a well respected Laser Masters sailor with no commercial interest in either boat http://www.roostersailing.com/wordpress/?p=7168
  8. D Zero

    Good to see the D-Zero Blue rig make its race debut at the Grafham Grand Prix on Sunday. Looks stunning and certainly clear which rig is which for the race officials!
  9. D Zero

    So, Chuck Linn, I've finally experienced a "real world" capsize in my D-Zero! Close hauled in the middle of tacking practice, puff, missed toe strap, straight out the side (full dunking) and boat capsized to leeward. Once I'd stopped laughing at myself I swam back the short distance to the capsized boat, which was showing no signs of wishing to invert, and set about getting up onto the daggerboard. First thing I noticed I'm quite sure the boat sits lower in the water capsized than my Laser, the daggerboard within easy reach. So, time to get on the daggerboard. As soon as I start to put any weight, all 74kg of me, on the board the boat starts to right. Fine, so continue to let the weight of my torso rest on the board and, in no time at all, she's coming up and I make the last half of the righting by pushing on the board with one arm and reaching up to pull the deck down towards me with the other. Boat now upright and stable though bow coming through the wind making me now leeward side. Swim around the transom, as at this point its nearer, though I appreciate going around the bow would've made more sense to keep the boat close to head to wind. Position myself on windward side with boat prob 50+ degrees off the wind and reach in grabbing mainsheet, so I can sheet in and give the boat something to resist my weight if needed. Grab the toe strap with the other hand and I'm in. As I climbed in the boat was perfectly stable and didn't feel remotely like it wanted to come in on top of me or any such nonsense. Grab tiller, sheet in and I'm away. Overall certainly an easier boat to handle in the capsize than my Laser, which is my only frame of reference these days as its 20+ years since I last sailed my N12. I really don't see any need for grab rails in the cockpit either. Its easy enough to grab hold of the toe strap and mainsheet. A grab rail, in my opinion, would be too close and not afford sufficient leverage. There may be other use cases for a grab rail but I don't know what they are! Hope my experience helps!
  10. D Zero

    I've got to "crash test dummy" this capsize and turtle stuff at GWSC as we have a couple of guys who won't order a boat until they see/hear how that aspect goes. I've been sailing a Laser for a couple of years though and only recall inverting one once, even with windward downwind capsizes, so guess I might need to be quite deliberate to invert the D-Zero. Also with inverted Laser I recall hanging on to the board with feet on the hull not on the gunwale whilst leaning back pulling on daggerboard. I'm assuming I'll use same technique with the D-Zero. I will report back here though once I've tested it out.
  11. D Zero

    Possible D-Zero smaller rig scoop? Arrived early for Wednesday night sailing last night and saw these two out on the water. Grabbed a rib and took a couple of pics. Blue sail had less foot length and visibly shorter mast too.
  12. D Zero

    I've been lucky enough to sail a D-Zero in a fair range of winds. I've not once thought "where's the grab rail?" As regards US availability I'd say any patients you can muster should be rewarded. I think I've heard US delivery of RS Aero is a little way off? Early 2015? What's the rush? Why jump to conclusions about where things might be 6 months from now?
  13. D Zero

    Does anyone use the grab rails in a Laser? I find the ones on mine just get in the way.
  14. D Zero

    I thought I’d post an update from the couple of demo events we had at Grafham Water SC. We’ve had a very positive response . Last I heard nine boats on order (many others giving it serious thought) and a promise from our race directors that we’ll have fleet racing status rather than mixed racing on handicap. Understandably we had a lot of interest from the Laser fleet (I currently sail a Laser myself). I think something in excess of thirty Laser helms had a go with the vast majority loving the boat. Over the winter months we’ve a few guys hoping to join us from other clubs, on occasion, so hopefully we can field some good fleet racing. It’s been said before but it really is an awesome boat and I am really looking forward to getting my hands on mine!
  15. rs aero

    So washy, what do you think are the main differences between the Aero and the D-Zero? What features made you go for the D-Zero? I have to say, for my taste, the Devoti boat had the walk up wow factor from the moment I approached them both on the shore. We were lucky enough at our club to have both boats there on the same day. I sailed both back to back with a mate sailing the other boat and we swapped over on the water. I found the D-Zero instantly rewarding to sail on all points. The Aero just didnt seem so keen to track upwind or sail particularly nicely downwind. Others in our club have attempted to sail an Aero downwind, much as you would a Laser, and it doesnt seem to want to have it at all. Maybe itll come down to technique but the D-Zero felt like a natural, though very much nicer, home to a Laser sailor such as me. I think so far all the Laser sailors at our club have enjoyed the D-Zero (numbers of orders seem to be growing even this weekend, our second demo event) but Ive not come across one yet whos been as big a fan of the Aero. Admittedly its not all about us Laser sailors but we are a fairly large sample of the hiking single handed dinghy racers out there. I think the rig on the Devoti boat is bloody beautiful. No other way to put it. Really nicely made and just looks quality. Components bonded not drilled or riveted together, Harken bits everywhere you look and that North laminate sail sets well and I found it easy to read across the 5-15kts Ive thus far sailed it in. Regardless of anyone elses opinion, in 2014, Im not buying a new class of boat with a Dacron sail! Both hulls look well made. Have to say though Im swung by the Devoti brand in terms of quality and reputation. Initially I wouldve liked to have seen controls on the D-Zero led to the gunwale, as they are in the Aero but as it goes I couldnt get the Aero controls to work all that well anyway (my fault maybe but it was a test sail and I wanted it to come naturally) and found it easy enough to reach in and adjust the D- Zero. In my opinion the Aero is a recreational fun dinghy for all the family (and sailing centres, schools etc...) that you could also race. I think the D-Zero only ever set out to be one thing, a sophisticated yet simple racing dinghy. I would say anyone looking at either boat try both if at all possible. We all like different things at the end of the day and are not all Laser sailors looking for something to replace our aging class of boat.