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  1. VOR Leg 2 Lisbon to Cape Town

    A rather sanctimonious post from Brian. Unfortunately, the footage coming off the boats will now be even more vanilla/censored (if that's possible). I could care less about seeing one more 4m swell roll into the cockpit and splash a grinder, or a sunset... FFS... the colourful personalities, offensive or not, are what made any of the video even remotely worthwhile (and shots of the boat set-up and bow/pit work, I guess). Bummer.
  2. S2H v M2H - which is tougher?

    The M2H (Marblehead to Halifax) is clearly the toughest - essentially the pinnacle of yacht racing.
  3. Martin Breaker Anarchy

    Thanks, all. Will try various iterations. 2mm dyneema cow hitch on trigger seems fine. Will see whether it makes sense to run it down through tack line lead or hard point at end of pole and tie it off on pulpit/elsewhere. Would be rigging it for remote release when forecast calls for big breeze - otherwise Ricky will sort it out sans MB. Charrrs.
  4. Martin Breaker Anarchy

    I am interested in seeing a few photos of various martin breaker set-ups. Not sure if there are any bowmen/riggers out there who could assist with this. I saw the helpful photos on the Chi Mac MOB forum, but was hoping to see above deck set-up in instances where pole does not have option for internal martin breaker(s). Greatly appreciated.
  5. Excellent. Thank you for the suggestions.
  6. Other than the Middle Sea Race and Giraglia, are there any well-run and well-attended distance races in the Med in 2017? The goal was to do the Middle Sea Race this year, but no such luck. Now shooting to do two+ events in 2017 (incl. MSR) and would like to know what the options are. The boat is currently in Malta and might be in the Adriatic come spring time. Any ideas will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
  7. Jules Verne Trophy

    WE HAVE A YACHT RACE. WOOOOOOOOOOO
  8. VOR 2017-18

    bucc: Your lack of understanding of offshore racing is such that you have zero grasp on the decisions that are made every hour---think micro, not macro (overall leg strategy). Tack/gybe on this 5 degree shift? No, hold, none of the other boats have changed course, cover. We like what we see over the next 24 hours, we should hold this course... oops, other boats have tacked, let's follow... AIS changes this dramatically. It can be easy to slip away at night from the fleet when position reports are generated infrequently. As the skippers have previously said, such infrequent reports/no AIS allows you to sail your own race. This is undeniable. The "AIS just extends the horizon" argument is complete shit. EXACT SOG, COG and position in the middle of the night... KF cannot comment on the VO65, he hasn't done a leg on one. If the sailors don't like the boat, aren't impressed by the challenge, why should we be? If somebody wants to find out how to make the VOR as appealing as possible to offshore sailors, they should ask Bouwe! What you want is a one-design around the bouys race played out over 3k nm. Fine. What I propose is an ocean race that actually is "life at the extreme" in which skippers, navigators and crew are pushed to the limits of their skill sets and have to exercise the judgment and decision-making that is so integral to offshore sailing. EDIT: I love one design (not sold on the sail framework, though) - just juice up the ride. "Yet because he sailed 7 VORs in conditions that do not relate to what the VOR is today, he does not like it and I understand that, even as I would disagree." You are not allowed to disagree! You are like a child wandering into a theatre in the middle of a movie... you have no frame of reference.
  9. VOR 2017-18

    bucc: Bouwe is unimpressed with the boats. The VO70 was a different beast. Enough said. Can you think of any sailor in the world who can provide a more credible opinion? VO65 v VO70 has nothing to do with squeezing the most boatspeed out of either, it is the challenge of managing the raw power that is at issue. Trying to draw some parallel between the VOR and your local 1D fleet of Thistles is absurd. "Predictive software, more than any other technology has been what keeps these fleets together." You're wrong. Have you done any offshore sailing? Do I recall that you are a lake sailor with limited (no) experience on the ocean? Being able to watch your competition's position, SOG and COG at ALL times is vaaaaaaaaaaaastly different than employing the same routing software. I understand that the Atlantic crossing is often straightforward, and (the links to) Campbell's analysis is one of the things I have been enjoying most in these forums, but it is rarely the case that routes do not disagree/change leading up to and over the course of the leg thereby presenting options--regardless, my point is to eliminate the easy choice to just hang with the group. Force a decision to be made.
  10. VOR 2017-18

    great phrase to portrait the biggest issue of todays' VOR On the underpowered boat issue, let me disagree. The Whitbread was raced on 9-knot-shitboxes, with "comfortable" bunks and no carbon or pendular keels, yet has that undefined je-ne-sais-quoi that you guys are missing. I'm afraid these days are just gone, and the current VOR makes a lot of sense from many angles (ability to attract sponsors, high level racing, etc). But yes i somehow miss those days when a boat could be called L'Esprit d'Equipe (team spirit), when trimming was something that happened every half hour, once everybody had enjoyed a good meal, a good nap and a good cigarette, but at the same time the guys were going for an adventure that could last for three or five weeks, nobody knew as there were no routing softwares... On the other hand, we surely wouldn't get 3-hour tracker updates!!! C. Ha! Of course the Whitbread had that "je ne sais quoi". Boat speed and creature comforts have nothing to do with whether the boats are relatively powerful, unruly and a challenge to handle/sail. I bet doing those peels and dip pole gybes in the roaring 40s while dodging growlers was a fucking rush! So what if you were able to hack a dart and take a slug of rum afterwards--well deserved. I'm not convinced that the current VOR is the best way to attract sponsors for the same reason that it is not the best way to attract fans... as for the high level of racing, yes, it is impressive, but i think the general sentiment is that something needs to be done about AIS to encourage risk taking and independent decision making. Otherwise, we watch "follow the leader" and listen to how "one cloud" makes/breaks a team's entire leg. There is no easy solution, but I think that restoring the "je ne sais quoi" (adventure, VO70-type horsepower, no guts - no glory type decisions from skipper and navigator) should be a paramount consideration for the future. As for technology and coverage of the race, my interest lies in having a 3 hour tracker, live video at start and finish and the occasional video sent from the boat showing maneuvers and hearing the crew talk about tricky situations that they just sorted out, or, for example, hearing someone speak honestly about "a heinous graveyard shift driving in zero visibility with three sail changes, reef-in, reef-out and a couple of fuck-ups along the way." Honest chatter would be nice. Most importantly, I want top sailing journalists to put thoughtful and sophisticated questions to the teams during and after each leg. There has been a lot of fluff this time around.
  11. VOR 2017-18

    I am only familiar with the VOR from 2005 onwards... it would be great to hear from crew/spectators of the races in the 80s/90s to know if safety and $ have always been the paramount considerations. Does the race need to be as bubble-wrapped and "vanilla" as it is today to be viable? The race has lost its personality. Don't we want the skippers to have to decide how far south they should go, when to transmit an AIS signal, when they should leave port etc. etc.? Don't certain businesses (i.e., owners of private companies with huge egos) want to be associated with a more extreme competition that is not so highly regulated and micro-managed. Does the "casual fan" enjoy watching underpowered boats follow each other around for 3 weeks in 12 kts of breeze? Bouwe is always a breath of fresh air---speaking (somewhat) freely and not necessarily toeing the company line. Perhaps the opinions of Pascal, Xabi etc. are as colorful, but do not make it into english print. 2017-2018 could be a very dull affair... VO65s will be dinosaurs in 2017. KF should step aside and be replaced by somebody who knows how to get deep pockets to commit to a less risk-averse "life at the extreme".
  12. 2016 Canada's Cup

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