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      Abbreviated rules   07/28/2017

      Underdawg did an excellent job of explaining the rules.  Here's the simplified version: Don't insinuate Pedo.  Warning and or timeout for a first offense.  PermaFlick for any subsequent offenses Don't out members.  See above for penalties.  Caveat:  if you have ever used your own real name or personal information here on the forums since, like, ever - it doesn't count and you are fair game. If you see spam posts, report it to the mods.  We do not hang out in every thread 24/7 If you see any of the above, report it to the mods by hitting the Report button in the offending post.   We do not take action for foul language, off-subject content, or abusive behavior unless it escalates to persistent stalking.  There may be times that we might warn someone or flick someone for something particularly egregious.  There is no standard, we will know it when we see it.  If you continually report things that do not fall into rules #1 or 2 above, you may very well get a timeout yourself for annoying the Mods with repeated whining.  Use your best judgement. Warnings, timeouts, suspensions and flicks are arbitrary and capricious.  Deal with it.  Welcome to anarchy.   If you are a newbie, there are unwritten rules to adhere to.  They will be explained to you soon enough.  


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  1. Uglyboat Admiration Society Hang Out

    I have a friend that has worked on developing one-man submarines for the stealth coastal landings. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they tried to add the capability for the thing to keep going. They'll try anything. DARPA hard. The amount of money the military throws at developing real world James Bond kind of stuff is mind boggling.
  2. Micro-Cruiser Anarchy

    I like Miss Cindy, but up until now, my favourite has been Matt Layden's Paradox. However, I am really taken by the Dalliance trimaran. I like the Dalliance builder's description of his youth, with his father having Jim Brown over for dinner to discuss multihulls. And I thought I found religion simply because my dad gave me a copy of "the case for the cruising multihull" when I was still in my teens. Kind of like the Dalliance builder, it took me another two and half decades before I owned my first tri, but the seed was planted early. Cool little boat.
  3. Team Vestas grounded

    . .....if you don't mind going from ~3' draft to ~15' Two good points for anyone thinking "Could the helmsman have thrown the helm over if he was in doubt?" 1. The boat on the other tack would have been on it's ear with shit everywhere in the dark… i.e. high risk of MOB. 2. The keel would most likely have struck as it arced down through the tack anyway Makes you realise it's not easy to throw an instant manoeuvre at a fully powered up canter. My 1.04c worth. In hindsight of course, wouldn't the correct course of action be to simply bear away? From video they appear to be sailing close-hauled on port tack. The waves first appear on port side. This is consistent with google earth images that show the boat approached the reef at a point where it is oriented SW to NE. Simply bearing away from the shallow stuff at port to a NNE course might have allowed them to quickly get back in deeper water. No tack necessary. Said with 20/20 hindsight from the comfort of a keyboard.
  4. Uglyboat Admiration Society Hang Out

    That one makes my Bolger boat of about the same length look positively graceful. I don't know if I ever made 12 knots in her though. I didn't have any means to measure it in those days. Now I do, but with the new F24 I'm not sure when I'll ever pull the Bolger out of the shed and make her pretty again. She's been sitting tight for nearly 15 years - I think she can wait a few more. I'm sure it will mystify my kids when I finally do - a Corsair is the only boat they've ever sailed on.
  5. Sailing around the world in a San Juan 24

    What makes this site so great is that damn near every poster is a troll. That and the tits.
  6. Sailing around the world in a San Juan 24

    Just saying?? Just saying what??? I've been following this thread via phone updates. The reason I have not been posting is due to the fact that I agree with substance of the vast majority of the criticism, but I feel the the way some have been going about it has been unnecessarily mean spirited. That might have provided the best laugh I've had in this thread, which is saying a lot. I don't think I've ever read a thread or front page article on this site in which 90% of the content was anything other than unnecessarily mean spirited. Also funny was the complaint that a donor to Rimas is irked because we were promised a "heroic" mission. Someone call the truth in advertising police, I've been bamboozled! Can't decide who is more entertaining - Rimas or his peanut gallery.
  7. Mocking Ads on Craigslist

    No argument with the annoying part, but AFAIK surfers invented them. After living in waikiki a few weeks with only a shortboard, I got an 'if you can't beat them, join them attitude' and bought a longboard. About that time, I started seeing the lifeguards (who are all top notch surfers - a very coveted job) take their surf rescue paddleboards (huge tanker things) out into the surf with a canoe paddle and catch any wave they wanted. WTF it's a damn arms race. Next thing you know, what they're doing gets a name and specific design and the damn things are everywhere. Overnight. This was around 2001 or so. Maybe the Aussies were doing SUP in waves with their paddleboards before that? I didn't actually get around to buying one until moving to Florida a few years ago. $300 on Craigs list for a decent one. We live on a canal and its a lot of fun for puttering about. Still haven't tried to surf on one yet. The viewing angle is so much better than from our kayak. Wife has little interest in the kayak but seems to really like the SUP.
  8. Mocking Ads on Craigslist

    Your chance to own a piece of "marine history" http://miami.craigslist.org/pbc/boa/4658540625.html
  9. Micro-Cruiser Anarchy

    Serge Testa on his 11' 10 Acrohc Australis. Holder of world record for circumnavigation on smallest boat, as mentioned earlier.
  10. Micro-Cruiser Anarchy

    The write-up on Fafnir is great discussion of the complex design issues for very small long range boats. And this: This is a very simple boat to build. I’ve been careful to keep the structure within the capability of a novice builder so she’s built of stringers and plywood planks over plywood bulkheads. This makes her very very strong, and a lot more capable than most would think a boat of this size could be. For someone with large dreams and a small budget, Fafnir might just be the ideal thing.. That's cool. When I first saw the little picture in the post I thought it was lapstrake. Nice looking little boat, but simplicity of plywood. Would like to see one built. I'd also like to see the 10' boat from another designer that the original client ultimately attempted circumnavigation in.
  11. Micro-Cruiser Anarchy

    Yes, anything that gets more people on sailboats (especially small ones!) and having fun is good, and if actually cruising all the better. A you-must-build-it-yourself first attitude is of course the exact opposite of the easiest way to get people sailing in 2014. Man do I know it. I spent 1991-1996 building that little sharpie, countless weekends that I could have spent criss-crossing Biscayne Bay in an old used Hobie 16 bought for $900 and having a blast. Exactly as I did years later on Kaneohe Bay, Oahu. Much faster and easier way to get on the water. Personally I think that you, in swearing to not build another boat, show a high degree of common sense. There was a long interval of time in which buying a boat was expensive and difficult, and even now it consumes far more time than it should. However the current (likely long-term) economy dictating that buyers can find & buy 2nd-hand boats for pennies (or less) on the dollar has completely undermined the concept. So what is simplicity and minimalism? Investing in the place and the tools and acquiring the expertise to BUILD a boat; or acquiring the boat at minimal investment? Obviously you have to learn enough to shop wisely. FB- Doug Well I definitely learned a lesson, but the Bolger build was just the end of my education on the subject. I watched my father spend the 80's beautifully rebuilding an old wooden 27' sloop (years longer than expected - stem replacement), immediately selling it to buy materials for building a cold-molded 35' John Marples trimaran, getting halfway done with that, and then dying before ever doing a single day of bluewater cruising with his family. After that, the experience of building my Bolger Jinni "Miss Inez" simply sealed the case that the way to go, for me anyway, is to go out and make some money in some kind of career, and buy a boat (or have one built). So, ~20 years later, after sailing home-builts and cheap ancient beach cats, I'm buying an F24 Mark II. Only under contract right now, hope I'm not jinxing it. Corsairs have good build quality. I know a lot of Farrier designs are non-production built, but that doesn't make economic sense these days. Stoked! Shout out to Tom Ray for advice via pm. I plan to sail this boat with my wife and 3 kids. Is a 24' tri with a crew of 5 microcruising? What I am trying to get at on the builder-as-sailor idea has to do with the romance in the idea of solo sailing these little boats over great distances. Of course they can be, and maybe most are, just used for gunkholing. But it's the long passages in a microcruiser that really fascinate. And I think you can take it even farther in a Robinson Crusoe kind of way. The microcruiser is the answer to the following hypothetical: Imagine yourself alone on a deserted island thousands of miles from nearest land with nothing but some sail cloth, a few sheets of marine ply, and a few gallons of West System. What boat do you build to sail yourself back to civilization?
  12. Micro-Cruiser Anarchy

    That is a pretty restrictive rule. Pretty much eliminates ballasted boats. After all, it was meant to discriminate in favor of canoes and against the common run of sailboats. Great thread. My knowledge of microcruisers is far from encyclopedic. I came across the Bolger Micro when researching designs to build in 1990. I'd never heard of a microcruiser before that, so Bolger's Micro will always be the quintessential example of the type for me. I ended up building a Bolger Jinni (which was originally designed by Bolger for Jim Michalak, one of the first boats he built I believe) which has about the same length as a Micro but a much larger cockpit for passengers, and was meant to be pulled onto the beach for camp-cruising. I don't consider it a microcruiser, so I'm on the side that says microcruisers don't have to be beach launchable. My own bias out of this experience is that a microcruiser should ideally be built by the person doing the cruising. It's an extension of the 'I'm all alone in this big world' ethos that seems to underly the microcruising concept. Said another way, I thought my simple Bolger boat was beautiful, but a large part of that was because I built it. Like all mothers thinks their kids are beautiful. I don't know that I'd be too excited about sailing a Bolger Micro that I didn't build myself. Seems to miss half the point, although people looking to buy one regularly turn up on the bolger yahoo group. Paradox is like a Micro on steroids. Neat boat, but I sure wouldn't want to build it, as pointed out earlier. Of course, I swore to never build another boat again so that's not saying much.
  13. Sailing around the world in a San Juan 24

    In his message to me a few minutes ago, he said "I will be used Satellite tracker, all people can see my voyage in details." But he didn't give a link. Me: Rimas, how can I follow you on the Satellite Tracker you mentioned? Thanks. Rimas: Yes, you are. Rimas: On facebook.
  14. Sailing around the world in a San Juan 24

    He has no fucking clue Strong opinions and no fucking clue are not mutually exclusive.