Overthehorizon

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About Overthehorizon

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    Poole England
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    Racing yachts, beer, curry and life in no specific order.......arguing with yacht builders, rule makers and owners associations in the interests of promoting fair competition for all and supporting opinion from the people who have the experience to know.....
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    Restoration Ron Holland IOR racer Flirt of Paget (2)

    wow !!!!!!!!!!! massive respect !!!!!!!!!!!!!! fantastic project...............I am a boatbuilder and raced IOR....'smiffy' 'demolition' back in early late seventies / early eighties.........again WOW !!!!!!!!
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    Team France

    whats that twat singing a song got to do with anything ???? lol lol
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    Team UK

    You're forgetting 2 Tour de France's in a row, and, amazingly for a kiwi, a record win over the All Blacks last Autumn and a Lions series victory over the Aussies. We have a new attitude in the UK. If we want it enough, it's ours. Question is, how much do we want it? Ainslie's biggest problem is getting enough people who give a fuck to stump up the dosh, in the absence of a billionaire backer or a government that actually thinks its a good idea to put public money into sport. But he wants it and he wants it bad and he's enough of a proven winner to make it a bit more feasible. What happened to the Ryder Cup.....fuck they have asked me to bolt it down......its permanent on British shores....lol lol lol
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    Lasers - Applying a Blow Torch

    I was......can remember clearly one arriving at my local club. In truth did not see it as a serious proposition. Concept was good.......but what was very clever was the strict control on the one design principal. It just hit the right note at the right time....
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    Lasers - Applying a Blow Torch

    It is indeed. The ownership and rights are stuck in a maze of overlapping contracts which were intended to make it more or less impossible for any one party to ?*** up the others. Now that various parties think other parties are indeed trying to ?*** up various others the maze of contracts are simply making our 'learned' friends even richer, and of course we sailors will pay in the end. Yeah it sounds a bit messy by any stretch of the imagination. I owned a boat manufacturing company and was a licensed builder of an Ian Proctor design which we developed and brought to market. We had a licence agreement which involved royalty payments. It was an extremely onerous contract in which the contract was dissolved if royalty payments were not made. This sounds like one of those generated arguments to avoid payment and the bottom line is 'what the f..k is a pram manufacturer (which is also a mess) doing in the industry??' One Proctor design that was "borrowed" was the Wayfarer. I seem to recall the story of the builder simply not wanting to pay royalties so they "borrowed" the design and rebranded it as the CL16 (in 1968). Do you know of any legal action that arose therefrom? Can only imagine in any contractual argument in the marine industry the best advice is to steer well clear. Your market are competitive.....deeply passionate but know little of the industry.....profit is minimal......and the minute the designer, the builder, the class association the national authority whoever that might be are not all smiles and hugs and long lost soul mates its a recipe to disaster. The laser is a remarkable product whether we like it or not and was born from a dream which came true. One mans vision. The last thing we need is 'another' product brought to market.......or for that matter lawyers involved in what always has been a pretty empty wallet !!!!
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    Lasers - Applying a Blow Torch

    Just to add to this conundrum of legal back and forth....does anyone realise that a sailing dinghy called a 'TORCH' already exists with a sail logo virtually exactly the same as the one I have seen portrayed on this forum !!!! Its a single chine boat and I learnt to sail in one. Throw that in the ring......pissing myself !!!!!!!!!!
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    Lasers - Applying a Blow Torch

    It is indeed. The ownership and rights are stuck in a maze of overlapping contracts which were intended to make it more or less impossible for any one party to ?*** up the others. Now that various parties think other parties are indeed trying to ?*** up various others the maze of contracts are simply making our 'learned' friends even richer, and of course we sailors will pay in the end. Yeah it sounds a bit messy by any stretch of the imagination. I owned a boat manufacturing company and was a licensed builder of an Ian Proctor design which we developed and brought to market. We had a licence agreement which involved royalty payments. It was an extremely onerous contract in which the contract was dissolved if royalty payments were not made. This sounds like one of those generated arguments to avoid payment and the bottom line is 'what the f..k is a pram manufacturer (which is also a mess) doing in the industry??'
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    Lasers - Applying a Blow Torch

    What an incredible legal wrangle exists in this class...and how it can be resolved is anyone's guess. Maybe my understanding is simplistic but surely for a boat to be deemed a laser it must be subject to the royalty being paid ? And surely Bruce Kirby has a list of numbers of boats royalty paid ? And therefore any boat existing with royalty payments outstanding cannot be classified a laser and therefore subject to protest or cannot race ??? I would suggest that given that being the case it would speed up the legal process !!! Where any reference to any other design has any relevance to the legal argument is quite beyond me.
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    Restoration Ron Holland IOR racer Flirt of Paget (2)

    Great project......the restoration of IOR 21.7 half ton projects is picking up pace along with quarter ton here in the UK as the classic fleets are attracting fantastic interest. We have looked very closely at entering the fray but are a bit alarmed at the costs and unless fully committed you end up with an noncompetitive half tonner which also rates badly in IRC. You have to go the whole way which involves a multitude of design alterations which we feel destroys the attraction of racing an IOR boat and we wonder if this was the intention of the Half Ton Classics Association when reviving the class ??? All the same having come from that era of yacht racing and raced with some of the best in Poole in '78 and '81 I get a huge wave of nostalgia in looking at boats of this generation and wish you the very best in your endeavors. I am am from a background of racing dinghy manufacture and it certainly looks from your photos that you are giving it 100%.......fantastic !!!!