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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

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  1. So, anyone from the 'Foilgate' end of things want to chip in with some intelligent chat? or will someone start a 'he jettisoned it last night at some point' thread?? Bloody well done Alex and Armel - smashing last editions winning time and a few records in between, top job.
  2. It was all bullshit. Go back to sleep - you've missed nothing. ta kindly, night all.
  3. Cant be fucked to look back through this thread after being in a place with no internet for what feels like an eternity.... Did Alex have a broken foil or was it all bullshit?
  4. j-80 conforms to Category 'B' of the EU Recreational Craft Directive - something pointed out to the Cowes Combined Clubs about 7 years ago. So they have a bit of paper saying that the boat is ok in waves up to 4m and Beaufort 8.
  5. here is the first-hand info I have (so for you, second hand), cut and pasted directly from an email the footage will be awesome, cutting keels, cutting rigs, damn impressive show Well semantically a rig isn't necessarily the mast. Could refer to the standing rigging. But it seems less likely that the mast is intact given it was dropped whilst the boat was on the reef. But we will find out soon enough. Just seems a shame if they did cut it up. So Clean, when do get the full video nasty? that's what were really interested in. We want a full Coxy voiced directors cut of the rescue plan and how well they stuck to it followed by a camera in the shed to watch daily progress of the re-build.
  6. I'm no shipping expert, but why go Mauritius-Italy by way of Malaysia? Me neither, but here is is on the internet so it must be true http://www.volvooceanrace.com/en/news/8188_Off-the-rocks.html and here (http://www.volvooceanrace.com/en/news/8192_A-job-well-done.html) he is talking about which bits could go into a new boat. its all bollocks until they actually start mixing the glue........
  7. Intentionally? Well they didn't do it by fucking accident did they! well that is the point. How did they lower the mast while on the reef? And how well did it go. All we know is there is a pic of the boat on the reef with mast up, followed by one with no mast, and the mast is nowhere to be seen, then a report that it is in pieces. Seeing some IBC containers filled with water holding the mast down to allow the keel to be cut away AND a stage of scaffolding with some IBC containers weighing it down, here's my theory: Drum roll please...... 1. Using the mast, pull the boat all the way over onto its side (given that the hull is buggered - a fair assumption), using the chain hoist to approx 2000kg of ballast in the IBC's. The angle is just enough to get some lifting kit under the keel whilst it is gas axed off. 2. Once the keel has been removed, crank the (now lighter) boat all the way over to near 90 deg as possible. Secure it to the tower anchored to the reef and weighted by a few more IBC containers. 3. Add substantial water buoyancy tanks to the rig and chop away the standing rigging to let it fall - here's the gamble, it may survive the removal process, it may not - either way getting 500 kg of mast off the hull is going to help the hull off the reef (Vestas #1 goal) 4. Now the rig is away from the boat (in one piece or a few), the hull can now be lowered from the weighted tower back onto the reef in a controlled manner. Whilst its up there further strops and tanks could have been added to the hull for its journey to the mother-ship. The beauty of this system is that the hull structure has been used as a fulcrum with the mast as a lever. The genius use of IBC containers that were probably floated into position by hand and filled with a generator. well..... how'd I do?
  8. Its been said before but a #8 hull ready to go will be at the top of everyone's list for the next edition of the race - less miles under the keel but just as capable. I wonder why it wasn't done? With more boats planned to be in the next edition of the race, and the whole "fairytale story, came from nowhere...." (and marketing Dollar invested by Vestas) I think it is in the interest of Volvo and Vestas to do something about getting the blue girl racing again. If it weren't then why are they shipping it from Mauritius to Malaysia? If they were going to chop it up for landfill they'd have done it on the dock in Mauritius, bailed up the carbon and shoved it in a container to get it off the island to a responsible(ish) landfill site. BS
  9. my 2p I guess they are going to get the boat to Mauritius where someone from Greens will go over the whole lot with an ultra-sound and write a list of new parts required. Then the make the call on who makes the parts and where. Then they have to make their mind up where they glue it all together. Makes a lot of sense building it in Greens then a shakedown sail across the pond to join the race in Brazil or Newport. However, Greens, I believe is v busy building Alex Thomsons next ride and another Wally Cento With sailing time from UK to Brazil (Vestas made it to the same lat as Itajai in around 20 days on leg 1) , I make that 13 weeks for all of the above to happen (17 weeks for Newport). The shipping sounds a bit painful. Coxy quoted as saying that the boat will go from Mauritius to Malaysia, then to Europe. My rough estimate 12 days from Mauritius to Malaysia then 27 days for Malaysia to UK that puts the stricken boat in a yard for Jan 30/31st this is not counting loading/unloading delays. This gives and build team 8 weeks in the shed for the boat to leave on March 28th and/or 12 weeks if they want to joint the party in Newport. if they can get on with making the new hull WHILST the broken boat is shipping to the yard then its not that painful. Anyone hazard a guess as to how long it would take to build another entire hull with interior bits, fit electronics, engine and hydraulics? If money were no object then fly the hull back to the yard from Malaysia, it should fit in an an An-124, should take less than a week for the aircraft to get where it needs to be and build a flight crate. I guess its the old time vs money debate - we're not talking AC budgets here are we? My guess is they'll aim for Brazil with an entirely new hull below the deck with new keel structure and ballast tanks. Any building delays and they can bump it back to Newport, if more, Lisbon etc etc best of luck to 'em
  10. Out on her royal yacht the queen was enjoying the sea air when she spied a man in the water off the port bow - clearly being menaced by a very large shark. Through her binoculars she could see it was Christian Ronaldo, struggling frantically to free himself from the jaws of a 20 foot shark! The queen ordered the captain to change course to try and save the poor man, but she knew the yachts top speed would never get them there in time. At that exact moment a speedboat containing three men wearing white England tops sped into view. One of the men took aim at the shark and fired a harpoon into its ribs, immobilizing it instantly. The other two reached out and pulled Ronaldo from the water and, using long clubs, beat the shark to death. They bundled the bleeding, semi-conscious Ronaldo into the speedboat along with the dead shark and prepared for a hasty retreat, when they heard frantic calling ...... It was the Queen calling them to the yacht. On reaching the yacht the Queen went into raptures about the rescue and said, "I'll give you a knighthood for your brave actions. I thought the England team would hate Ronaldo after the world cup. But I see that the England team are true heroes and should serve as a model for sportsmanship to other countries." She knighted them and sailed away. As she departed Rooney asked the others, "Who was that?!" "That," Beckham answered, "was our Queen. She rules the Commonwealth and knows everything about our country." "Well," Rooney replied, "she knows **** ALL about shark fishing. How's the bait holding up?"