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  1. The Next Boat-----2020

    I found the one. I stepped back into this swamp just to see how the wind was blowing and wow, I was not disappointed. This "concept" is like a Rube Goldberg approach...no... a wonderful political solution to the problem, how to please everyone whilst not making any decisions at all. 75. How heavy will it be with all that hull to lift? What kind of strength then is required in the foils to sustain that mass and the requisite forces placed on said foils. I really doubt these hulls could sail in anything resembling serious wave action so once again we get to watch a bland, flat water race raced in limited condition. Remember the day one of those cats pitch poled Now let's imagine this monohull taking a nose dive at 40 kts and seeing how well the crew survives. A bunch of speed freaks that think sailing is only about speed, not mastering all conditions to maximize speed. So, massive amounts of energy to move these Martian arms up and down (and how quick will they respond) Kinda kills the back to basics Little to now close action as these things stick out and can catch sails, hull...people. No real ocean sailing since any good breeze will set these hulls back in the water least they dive a nose and come to a full stop at speed. Naaa....I'll pass. It's a carnival act and while I might watch, just for the carnage factor, watching as a contest of sailing...no thanks.
  2. VOR Leg 1 Alicante to Lisbon

    Valid point in regards to Witt. Not so much using it against, but as a reminder to not go back to that type of thinking again. I can certainly say all is fine as well. The race goes on.
  3. VOR Leg 1 Alicante to Lisbon

    I'll just lay this one here for a moment I'm still trying to figure out how he got 8 crew with only one woman aboard. Akzo I get, but did he pull out of the dock saying "Did I forget something?" as the second social experiment runs down the dock screaming wait for me? Sure, it was a compliment.
  4. VOR Leg 1 Alicante to Lisbon

    Well, based on the fuzzy tracker that may or may not accurate they toook the same line as Vestas and if it t'were so, then Mapfre is really in the bad. I'll go with the fuzzy lines view and figure if they can turn around an imaginary point in the ocean, they can miss one as well close to home....unless they are that tired.
  5. VOR Leg 1 Alicante to Lisbon

    I kinda thought you'd miss my humor...it is early. In this day and age, and given Europe's desire to show more sailing on TV, I would think someone is broadcasting, either Youtube live...something. I know there has to be boats out there already (dear god, please get out of the way of the VO65 folks). Alas, as life takes me away from the action I may aonly get to watch the repeats.
  6. VOR Leg 1 Alicante to Lisbon

    Oh, if only there was a way to actually have a camera on the water, showing us what is and not what we ponder it might be...Who could do such a thing for us poor land bound captains of fate.....hmmmmm
  7. VOR Leg 1 Alicante to Lisbon

    Short of a visual, the comment about channeling might mean there will be some decent pressure as they get into the river, assuming there is any breeze at all? I can see the wind shadow effect but if that little "gap" funnels wind then at least there is a chance to keep the boat moving. Looks like Vestas found some wind for they are moving good at the moment. (fingers crossed)
  8. VOR Leg 1 Alicante to Lisbon

    This looks like the negative image of the start of this race in terms of weather. There may be many more tacks in the bag for Vestas before their day is done.
  9. VOR Leg 1 Alicante to Lisbon

    Good to know....I guess Charlie took it wide then for there was almost a .32 separation on the tracks at that point. Can't be too careful around those red boxes.
  10. VOR Leg 1 Alicante to Lisbon

    Rut Ro George I remember last race, I think it was out of Newport we had controversy over did they, did they not in a similar cut the corner moment. Hoping this is just the inaccuracies of the display, although....it's showing live so points should be much closer.
  11. VOR Leg 1 Alicante to Lisbon

    The literal highs and lows of sailing. I remember winning one race where I had been below podium coming into the finish. because the top sailors hit a hole and I was able to get a puff that carried me over. Praying as much for a breeze as for flat water so they can keep some shape on the sails. I wonder if the cant the keel to leeward to get a little heel to help keel the sail shape.
  12. VOR Leg 1 Alicante to Lisbon

    Nice compliment from Brunel about TtT. Not the happiest bunch, but still getting it done. http://www.volvooceanrace.com/en/raw/1281.html
  13. VOR Leg 1 Alicante to Lisbon

    MAn, you go to sleep for a few hours, wake up and nothing's change...oh, but the DTF :-) Knew it was going to be grueling and I bet the gang on Vestas is now starting to sweat a bit and MAPFRE charges in. Best race is still Brunel and TtT and I'm still hoping Dee's got a magic moment in her pocket and still can make a pass. DF should not lose third, but I'd keep an eye behind, Akzo would like 3rd back.
  14. VOR Leg 1 Alicante to Lisbon

    What I might say to Team TtT is this, turn down a few points, if you can, throw another slot on the rig and go for speed first. If a few degrees down meant you got a 1, 1.5 kts on Brunel then take it for at some point you both will need to tack anyway. You are @ 130 nm from some point to tack and in light wind, with that much play, go for speed and then take any lift you get. This is not Ocean sailing any more. Even if you are 150 nm out. The wind is telling you, sail to speed, not course.
  15. VOR Leg 1 Alicante to Lisbon

    No one is going North. It is a longer distance in less breeze. DongNobel will bend south and once again play who can go fastest with Akzo at the disadvantage now, but who knows, maybe they throw a fourth sail up for shits and giggles. PlasticBrunel will bend south, because again, the North around is too much sailing and they are like two dogs chained together in a friendly fight to the death for 7th. Scally won't go North, because, well no one else will and I bet Witt's not unhappy about 5th on the first leg of a race he's not done in ages. There are two races left, PlasticBrunel and DongNobel. Those two will play out after the R-zone if either are still close. I'd consider configuring my boat to an In-port approach. Forget stacks, either keep sails furled and hoisted that can be at the ready to deploy or below and center line and use keel and ballast to set boat trim. This is now about which team can play the shifts and that is not deep ocean sailing methodologies. Go Dee.