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      Abbreviated rules   07/28/2017

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Everything posted by NORBowGirl

  1. Safety Gear versus Practice

    ....because we forget about them 20 times more kids were killed in accidents in the sixties than now. Blame the safety gear and more aware parents. However, of course it may turn into stupid at some point. But to say that things were fine before we invented all safety measures is plain wrong. And not many sailors do have any hard experience. I’ve done the safety training but of course in nice and sunny conditions and nowhere remotely close to the reality. I’d probably handle an emergency better than a sailor on the same level of experience than me though, because of said training. There was a LOT to learn and probably good to be aware of how difficult it can be in a life raft if I ever need to use it for real. Nowadays I think many just don’t leave the dock if it’s windy. I have also decided to stay put, if I don’t trust the other crew. And I haven’t experienced a real MOB yet. Just slipped items (mostly shoes) into and spent fuck long time to recover them, obviously it’s difficult and we should of course practice more.
  2. Wanted Missing VOR Skipper

    I think it’s a difficult rule but it’s also nice to have it. I also think that the teams will have it in mind and think things through, they will all try to avoid getting protested. So Dawn Riley and everybody else who agreed with her will have made an effect. And that’s ok. Hopefully the effect won’t be that all we get is boring videos...but if I was Witt now, I’d upload a couple of videos of them just eating, not saying anything. Vendée style (its late, I don’t remember the old mans name but he was hilarious). Just to make a little fun about this rather serious matter
  3. Wanted Missing VOR Skipper

    Bulgaria...let's just say they have some work to do.
  4. Wanted Missing VOR Skipper

    I feel slightly harassed at the moment, by the way. I'm on a business trip and had to take a transfer bus out to a plane, of course the bus gets super crowded, but there's this business man who occupies TWO seats, even though old women stand right next to him.... and I'm thinking that he competes in the world class asshole competition, try to convince the women (by pointing to the seat) to just sit down, but they won't. I will regret my lack of gut for the rest of my life, I should have just addressed the man and told him to offer his extra seat to other passengers. No matter their gender. The rest of the day was a series of encounters where men just took their place and didn't care if I was already being serviced. I was in the process of checking in to my hotel but the receptionist was constantly abrubted by men asking for different things. What the fuck. So in this place (eastern Europe) clearly men outrank women. I was nobody. And I was shocked. Never EVER have I been treated this way during sailing. And you all know which boat I have delivered so I'm not new to the aussies. To even think that these guys would do something on purpose to make Annemieke feel bad is just beyond belief.
  5. Wanted Missing VOR Skipper

    It was mentioned by Potter first I think. Something about confirming that she raised the issue during the yacht racing forum in Copenhagen. Then I asked the representative from my country if this was true and it was confirmed that she raised the issue in that forum. Whether she or anybody else outside the VOR can file a protest is unknown to me. But apparently they can.
  6. Wanted Missing VOR Skipper

    I’m proud of my ability to keep my inner child alive When I’m old and gray I’m gonna scare teenagers with blunt jokes.
  7. Wanted Missing VOR Skipper

    Just out of curiosity, what is the answer on that? Is it some special routine to it? Or just plain “add it like any other cream”?
  8. Wanted Missing VOR Skipper

    I think that among the many things that may give the sport a bad image, shitting off the back is on that list. And in fact it’s a thing that might keep women away! Low standard bathroom facilities is a fear women have, including me. Not kidding. I don’t mind this particular video though. But if the issue is about how one should portray our sport in order to attract more people.....
  9. Wanted Missing VOR Skipper

    I think your girls will meet all kinds of people and they will choose the company they like. Give them some credit. I wouldn’t sail with anybody who I felt had a dislike of female sailors. And be assured that if I felt even the slightest harassment, I wouldn’t hesitate on reacting on it. Of course people have different kinds of humor and as we have seen stated from several here, they treat women as their moms. That’s their choice. I’m more relaxed when I’m with people who can make jokes about the body and how it works. That’s my choice. I wouldn’t say that’s anything about coolness, surely some people think I should be more lady-like. We are different. But now somebody wants to make my sense of humor illegal in sailing. And I resent that.
  10. Wanted Missing VOR Skipper

    I’m afraid you’re right.
  11. Wanted Missing VOR Skipper

    It’s a tiny bit amusing that the rule is number 69. Yes I’m childish....sorry
  12. Wanted Missing VOR Skipper

    I have no problems with the word misogynist, I'm just responding to the way this was portrayed. So he had an argument with a woman, was that because she was a woman? Probably not. They probably just hated each other as persons, no matter the gender. If I have an argument with you, it's not because you're a man.
  13. Wanted Missing VOR Skipper

    A champion for women in the workplace? Exactly how did you do that? Showed them how to do their job, as women? Aha, you mean you did lobby-work to recruit more women? carry on
  14. Wanted Missing VOR Skipper

    I did follow that, and I thought it was stupid comments. If I remember correctly, I wrote here that I hoped he would regret the decision of having no women Because he should take as many as possible. Now at that time the only woman he'd want to have onboard because he already knew her, Annemieke, was with another team. But when she became available he changed his mind. Including a woman he already knew wouldn't be a social experiment anymore. I think many of us have said things that are true in a given context, and when the context changes we have to change our minds. Sometimes that's just fine, other times it's embarrassing. I for one have made many mistakes. I don't really know why he liked to have women on board for the S2H, what do you mean? Was Annemieke not there as a regular crew member?
  15. Wanted Missing VOR Skipper

    If he only includes women if he has no other option, why was Annemieke onboard for the S2H with him? And why did Ragamuffin always have a female crew member?
  16. Wanted Missing VOR Skipper

    So if he gets into an argument with a woman it's because he's a misogynist? That's not really fair, is it? We know that he gets into argument with all kinds of genders. He's clearly not discriminating in that department.
  17. Wanted Missing VOR Skipper

    For the love of God, will you please go and watch Zoolander.... The male model is presented a model of his school project and says "Whats this? A school for ANTS? " (ref your model boat)
  18. Wanted Missing VOR Skipper

    Is that a boat for ANTS????
  19. Wanted Missing VOR Skipper

    Good point Well I’m just used to being in mixed crews and actually half the charm is that it makes it possible to make innocent fun with each other. And that’s how I see this video. Feel free to invite me to S2H, Hamilton race week, etc - with all the vacation we get here in Scandinavistan we need to fill it with some races considering the Caribbean 600 in February but with an all female crew and I don’t like how that turns into a gender battle. Oh, you were just being polite I guess
  20. Wanted Missing VOR Skipper

    Supressive technique doesn’t work on me. We all know that scrotum will make more people laugh than a chest. Making laughs was the intention of the video. This whole thing being sexual harassment is your opinion. There’s no objective definition. And from the feedback Magenta got I’m not the only female which thought it was innocent fun either. It doesn’t make it a harassment just because it might have been planned.
  21. VOR leg 3, crew changes

    Well we don’t really know yet, as you say. One can guess that the person uploading it to the VOR site didn’t think it was anything wrong with it, and just thought that some technical issue caused it to not show. And then uploaded again. We don’t know. I find it hard to believe that this person posted something he/she knew was not wanted there. Just based on normal human behavior.
  22. Wanted Missing VOR Skipper

    First of all it might be just a coincidence, not many people off watch to choose between to make the video. But probably any of the male crew would deny doing it, some gay fear probably. To be honest I didn’t really think about gender until I saw others comment on it. I suspect the guys thought the only fun would be if Annemieke played her part but I still don’t find it offensive.
  23. VOR leg 3, crew changes

    Kind of hard to believe sailing illustrated at the moment but if it’s true, of course they have options.
  24. Wanted Missing VOR Skipper

    That’s priceless! they correct their article that was based on hear-say and blame the Volvo?! How about waiting to write something until you have confirmed facts...