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About Oceanconcepts

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  • Birthday 12/14/1952

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    Seattle, Washington, USA
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    Electronic instrumentation and user interface design, Scuba diving, rowing, sailing, boat design, new technology.
    Current custodian of Pathfinder, a NZ built, cold molded Kauri S&S one tonner.

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  1. Oceanconcepts

    Fattest boats

    Interesting and strikingly attractive. Hard to tell from the photo angle, but it looks less like there is tumblehome in the hull form and more as if what would have been side decks were inflated to meet the gunnels. Must provide a big increase in volume below. I do wonder what it would be like to step off when coming alongside a dock. Potentially a bit slippery? My own Pathfinder has a bit of tumblehome.
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    Girl with patreon account goes sailing in hot place

    "Titivating" = "To make small enhancements to something". Only... plenty of Mads' enhancements are not so small, at least in terms of labor expended. Oddly, my wife enjoys watching his channel, and she's not at all interested in boat maintenance. I think it's the relentless optimism. It's now a running joke in our household, any time something goes south, that we'll just slap a little thickened epoxy on it.
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    H-Boat vs. Hinckley Sou'wester 30

    What TwoLegged says. +1 for the Aphrodite- and by extension other boats of similar style. A complete joy to sail- I miss mine all the time when it comes to casual sailing. Moves surprisingly well in a breeze you can barely feel, sails essentially straight into the wind, and super easy to single hand with the self tending jib and great maneuverability. Upwind will sail itself for extended periods- I would often wander about the deck with no hand on the tiller. A tiny inboard pushed it at 6 knots easily on ± a quart an hour. Limited accommodations (compared to higher freeboard/ wider/ heavier boats) and minimal headroom and ventilation are the minuses. But for short duration cruising in good weather...hard to beat. There is something to be said for long, skinny, low boats you can get on and be sailing in 15 minutes.
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    When is it time to transition?

    I'd love to visit the area someday when the world calms down. There is one other Brin Wilson built boat I know of in the Pacific Northwest, designed by Richard Wilson. The owners have the same observations about the excellent construction that I do. After 50 years the quality and details do show.
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    When is it time to transition?

    I have not previously seen The Hawk- beautiful, and restored to a level that I unfortunately don’t possess the resources to achieve. But inspiring. Pathfinder is S&S design 2062, built in 1971 by Brin Wilson in Auckland, NZ for his own use. OAL is 39’ 8”, beam 11’ 6”, draft 6 1/2’, and displacement about 18,000 pounds. Construction is cold molded kauri, resorcinol glued, and sheathed in glass. She was the overall winner of the Sydney-Hobart race in 1971, and part of a winning NZ One Ton Cup team the next year, so a distinguished racing past. I found rather breathless Austrailian TV coverage of the ’71 race on You Tube, with lots of video of Pathfinder. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UATbws9TjUs In my gallery here I have posted scans of a 5 page "new boat" article on Pathfinder from New Zealand Boating, which is nice for seeing the original configuration, along with a few other pictures. She was sailed to the Pacific Northwest in the 80’s, and as far as I can tell has been here ever since- though I found evidence onboard of at least one trip to Mexico. Pathfinder is a bit of a project now, with peeling paint and in need of new sails and some interior updating. This was supposed to be my year to completely refinish the hull, but a virus had other ideas. I previously stripped and epoxy sheathed the cabin and reconfigured the cockpit to be more cruising friendly, but this year’s boat projects were limited to maintenance. My wife and I develop decompression computers for scuba divers (she being the software/ hardware engineer & the brains behind the operation). Covid brought our business to a standstill and major (expensive) boat projects will need to wait until our new products are on the market. Fortunately Pathfinder had superb original construction and decent care, so the work mainly involves fixing cosmetic neglect, and some updating to the interior and rig. Previous owners have made mostly positive and good quality changes- no disasters. In fact, the prior owner I purchased her from literally wrote the book on modern cold molded yacht construction. She has a very special indefinable feel, and I’m looking forward to the time when I can devote the attention she deserves.
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    When is it time to transition?

    For me it was in my mid-30's. I was always crew, and never on hotshot boats, but racing made me a much better sailor. But I also learned that I was unlikely to want financial responsibility for a boat used for racing- at least one with a keel. I like old racing boats themselves, so I'd definitely be in the "classic" mode now, modern racing tech has left me far astern.
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    When I Win the Lottery

    I'm with you. I don't want a boat I can't reasonably handle solo or with one other, at least in normal conditions. Or that requires incredibly complex systems to function. I've known a couple of folks- people who could afford absolutely anything- who bought larger boats. In one case it was a 70-something power yacht that was sold within a year, and in one case a 160' showpiece that required a full time crew- that one lasted a few years before hitting the market. I don't think either one got as much pleasure out of their boats as I have out of much more modest craft. At this point in life I'm looking for simplicity and peace, hopefully shared with some friends and family- any lottery winnings devoted to maritime pursuits would go towards quality and aesthetics, rather than size or flash. I admire CL's attitude and success- and his boat- as pretty near ideal.
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    When I Win the Lottery

    Good to hear- and it’s very welcome that the decades of outsourcing nearly everything in a race to the bottom may be changing. We have tried in every possible instance to use local manufacturing, even for PCB assembly. Cost is a bit more up front, but we have much better communication, and can stop by easily if there is a problem. I’m convinced that, at least at our (very small) volume, manufacturing in the US is more cost effective in the long run. Unfortunately sourcing electronic components is another story- many come from only a few places, designs are developed with great effort around specific components, and design change is expensive. We can't just change suppliers, there are no US based options. The US largely gave up on electronics component manufacturing in the “free trade” push of the 80’s and 90’s, rather than encouraging the industry to stay here. It is not possible to quickly start up that type of production- a vast and very expensive infrastructure and ecosystem of suppliers and skilled workers is essential. The displays we used in our first product came from a factory that represented an investment of something like 7 billion (15 years ago), and took over four years to get on line. A national trade policy is pretty much required to encourage that kind of long term investment. We did not, and do not, have that kind of policy. Much American manufacturing is fairly high tech, and often utilizes inputs from China, while most value is added here. Tariffs are a way of taxing those manufacturers, and it puts them at a disadvantage vs. international competitors who don’t pay those taxes. Then of course there is the retaliation. Trade wars tend to have mostly losers. That is really lovely- I have never one across them before.
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    When I Win the Lottery

    It's a cover. I'm actually a dedicated entrepreneurial capitalist who last took a paycheck from someone else in 1985. But don't tell anyone in my Antifa cell.
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    When I Win the Lottery

    A grain of truth, but only part of the story. 40-50 years ago, about 1/3 of the Federal tax burden was paid by corporations, about 1/3 by the wealthiest 10%, and about 1/3 by the rest of us. Corporations now pay abut 10%, and the slack is picked up by the rest of us. Some very profitable and politically well connected corporations pay nothing. Vastly increased profits have flowed in a mighty stream to the wealthiest individuals (who own most of the stock) over the last 40 years or so, leading to a level of income disparity that very few appreciate the scale of. While it's true that increased corporate taxes will (mostly, probably) be passed along to customers, along the way they can also enable investments in infrastructure, education, R&D, and other things that over the long term create great potential for wealth and private enterprise. In taxation there is an element of wealth transfer from the few to pay for things that (potentially, if well managed, and in the long term) benefit all of us- very much including the wealthy. But you have to take a long term view. It's not about where the money stays, it's about how it flows, and what it enables along the way. There are quite a number of things that provide great public benefit, but would never be profitable for an individual business to develop or implement. The GPS system is one of my favorite examples. The valuable signals are given away for free to everyone in the world. The fact that they are free, and not a profit center, has created economic and social benefits that far outstrip the cost of the system. There are many things like that we take for granted. I have a soft spot for GPS because putting up the first GPS satellites was one of the last jobs my engineer father did. He grew up on a non-mechanized subsistence farm in western KY, ploughing with a mule. Nothing much in his childhood would have been unfamiliar to a farmer of 1,000 years earlier. He had rickets as a child, never saw a doctor or dentist, and was malnourished when inducted into the Army in WWII. But because of public education, he went to school, and because of the GI bill he went to college. Apart from the GPS program, he helped develop the Space Shuttle. He received a lot of tax funded public benefits, early on in life, and I'd argue it was a good investment. As someone who manufactures electronics in the US (creating jobs) I pay tariffs on components we must source from China- because you can't get them elsewhere. That puts us at a disadvantage vs. our Canadian and European competitors who do not have to pay those taxes. Every penny of those tariffs is paid for by American businesses and consumers. It's part of the reason US manufacturing has been in recession for over a year.
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    Sealing end grain?

    Many wood turners and others working with green wood use a product called Pentacryl. They claim it acts much more rapidly than PEG- from their FAQ: PENTACRYL will penetrate the wood in one day where it could take PEG 6 months to do so. PEG may need to be soaked with heat elements to keep it hot while applying. PEG acts as a humectant and encapsulates the water molecules by drawing in moisture from the air and makes the wood sticky and hard to apply a finish. PEG treated wood is heavier and darker. PENTACRYL treated wood does not have these issues. https://www.preservation-solutions.com/product/pentacryl/
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    Scattering ashes at sea.

    Many years ago I got a call to help some friends who had a very new-to-them boat, and had gotten a request to take a family out to scatter the ashes of a young woman who had been murdered. They wanted some help considering the group that would be on board. When we went out, the family had just learned that the killer was in fact the woman’s husband, who stabbed her while their young son watched. I will never forget that experience.
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    Old Skool gear

    There's a story behind the Finn. I bought it in the late '70's in Seattle, though it was from the Bay Area and had been owned by Peter Sutter- I bought it from his son. I sailed it off the Shillshole I-14 dock for several years. I loved sailing that boat, watching the sun set over the Olympics. As simple and pure as sailing gets. I moved to Santa Cruz in the mid 80's to go to work for West Marine, just when they moved HQ there- which ended up being a short lived career choice. But in the turmoil of moving, the Finn & trailer were stolen from the Santa Cruz yacht harbor parking lot. I filed a police report, but not much could be done. I still had the sail & other gear, which I held on to for some reason. Forward to 2001- I'm living in Seattle, but frequently flying to the Bay Area. Just prior to a trip I see an ad in Latitude 38 for a wood "Fin" dinghy, no sail. I call, get the address, and resolve to go by- the seller says he won't be around but I can look at the boat. He doesn't seem to know much about it other than it is called a Finn, and it has no sail. I get to the address- it's a rough looking neighborhood, bars on the windows of the houses, pit bulls in the yards behind the chain link fences- I pull up, and it's my old boat. It's been sitting in the open, uncovered, for 16 years and is much the worse for wear, but it has the kick up rudder I made, the trailer we welded, the mast- though peeling, is intact- there was absolutely no doubt. I pulled into a parking lot nearby and call the San Jose Police. "I realize this is going to be a strange story, but it's true, and I'd like some advice on what I can do." I connected with an officer in the auto theft division, who amazingly listened to my story and took notes. When I give him the address he strongly advised me against going back there or confronting the seller- I was on a schedule in any case. He promised to look into it, and I figured I would never hear more about it. A few weeks later I get a call from the SJPD officer. The found the Santa Cruz theft report, and want to know if I can provide identifying information about the boat- which I can- things like the color of the glue lines in hidden areas. A few days later I get a call that they have recovered and impounded the boat. It seems the seller was unfamiliar with the boat, could not say how he got it, and displayed little interest in pursuing the matter when confronted with the theft report. It's mine if I come pick it up and pay the minor impound fees. I drove down to San Jose, had the trailer repaired to make it roadworthy, and returned the boat to Seattle. I eventually re-laminated some small damaged sections around the CB trunk, but the hull was sound. The decks needed to be completely replaced. I still had all the parts- comes from hanging on to that old skool gear, I guess. It's been on a trailer under a cover in my side yard for at the last few years now, as other, bigger boats took over. It needs a small bit of work to get out sailing, but it's looking good again. I wish I had it ready this summer, with covid it would have been great sailing therapy. But other tasks got in the way. I don't have a good place to work on it indoors, so at this point it probably needs to wait for spring. But yeah, it needs to be out sailing. Pic is what it looked like after recovery, with the decks just stripped off.
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    Old Skool gear

    I was CHS class of 69-70 (complicated times) and one of the group that started the Pottery. Piper OD looks like a lovely boat and well worth the effort- since going bigger from my Aphrodite 101 I miss having the ability to be on the water sailing in minutes, solo or not, in an uncomplicated way. I'd advocate for modern blocks- they just work so much better. I have a Finn dinghy, molded wood from 1954, believed to be US #11. That has been outfitted with new style gear, though still has the original spruce mast, a thing of beauty. I need to get that back out on the water...
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    Old Skool gear

    Multiple sizes of caulking irons, on top of an Osborne Ship Scraper. All purchased new, by me, ±50 years ago. I have a couple of the scrapers and use them all the time, mostly as thin pry bars. If the ends get chipped or worn, just heat to cherry red and pound out a new edge. Great tool. I see you can still buy them. And a box full of Tufnol dinghy blocks. I was at Carmel HS in the late 60's and you reminded me of the Mercurys at Stillwater- had forgotten about that.