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      Abbreviated rules   07/28/2017

      Underdawg did an excellent job of explaining the rules.  Here's the simplified version: Don't insinuate Pedo.  Warning and or timeout for a first offense.  PermaFlick for any subsequent offenses Don't out members.  See above for penalties.  Caveat:  if you have ever used your own real name or personal information here on the forums since, like, ever - it doesn't count and you are fair game. If you see spam posts, report it to the mods.  We do not hang out in every thread 24/7 If you see any of the above, report it to the mods by hitting the Report button in the offending post.   We do not take action for foul language, off-subject content, or abusive behavior unless it escalates to persistent stalking.  There may be times that we might warn someone or flick someone for something particularly egregious.  There is no standard, we will know it when we see it.  If you continually report things that do not fall into rules #1 or 2 above, you may very well get a timeout yourself for annoying the Mods with repeated whining.  Use your best judgement. Warnings, timeouts, suspensions and flicks are arbitrary and capricious.  Deal with it.  Welcome to anarchy.   If you are a newbie, there are unwritten rules to adhere to.  They will be explained to you soon enough.  


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  1. J70, cheating and pros

    But there are 4 factories building them now, and they are not owned by J or are they affiliated with one another... is this not the case? https://www.google.ca/amp/www.jboats.com/contact-us/builders/amp CCF Composites in USA J/Composites in France McConaghy in China J/Boats Argentina in Argentina (the newest) So it is not one (single) manufacturing facility. It is more of a case where the first boat was one design, the following boats will be close... So in the future the Class has to implement rules where there will be a measure with a tolerance built in.
  2. J70, cheating and pros

    As owner you would be responsible for following the class rules. Buyer beware when purchasing. Otherwise a first owner could cheat like hell, keep boat a limited amount of time, then sell, and the second owner claims ignorance. You could create quite a business model...
  3. J70, cheating and pros

    Glad to see the Class at the National and International level taking this seriously. As said above - cheating is cheating and it is very clear in the Class Rules "These rules are closed class rules where if it does not specifically say that you "may" them you "shall not". Owners go into mods eyes wide open... The "shop" will make'em pay for said mods, they ain't free... It seemed like this class when we entered it was simply a "get as many boats made as fast as possible and we'll worry about the rules later". Sure there was a general framework, but adherence was not mandatory. Why? Because there were no measurement processes at many large events, and even at those large events the tools were not available to adequately measure 50-75 boats. How many events prior to being caught have the boats that failed measurement won? I suspect there'd be a number of second/third/fourth place folks that are pissed right now. The buck stops with the owner and boat captain, but the pros gladly and willingly sign-up to go with the top boats (on legal or illegal boats). They want to win as well. Given the opportunity to sail with a top 10 finisher or a middle 30s finisher for the same $$$$. Guess where they go? It's way better for the resume to sail with the top finishers.
  4. Forgot to mention. Tie a stopper knot in your pole-out line that keeps the pole about 3 inches away from slamming against the trunk when retracted.
  5. I have worked with Ed at Sail22 for a number of years. Easy to talk to and appreciates the ideas that go back and forth in the fleet. I also work with Rod at Vela Sailing Supply - same deal, will talk things through when you have an idea about rigging and/or set-up. My list: Jib Halyard and tail are both AS90. My tail is removable to stow below. I also have a 4 inch tail with a dog bone spliced in to be the safety/keeper. Spin Halyard is Dingy Star by FSE - tylaska shackle in the end - stripped about 3 feet. Main Halyard - Samson Validator 2, dog bone spliced in, not stripped except for 1/2 inch at splice. Jib Sheet - Marlow MGP Tech50 (dsk78). Stripped down 6 feet, brummeled and finished through the jib car with a dog bone. Main Sheet is FSE Coppa 3000 stripped 3 feet. Spin sheet - New England Nexus Pro - we've used the Endura and found it to be slippery. So we went to something a little less slippery and more forgiving in hand. My spin trimmer didn't complain the whole time at a 4 day regatta with the new Nexus Pro. Tackline is Excel Fusion (larger diameter than spec). Soft shackle is spliced into the end. I like dogbones, but the thought of it flicking around in a breeze or bad douse made me go the soft shackle route in this application. Furler Line is Marlow Excel Matrix (7mm) - I spec'd this line to the largest diameter the furler drum would take (5mm). I wanted a nubby finish for the forward crew as well. From memory I think this line is a sub-12 plait outer. The line is stripped as much as was required to get the 5 mm in the furl. Boom Vang and Backstay are FSE Robline - Dingy Control Line. Slippery and fast moving was key here. Backstay is New England WR2. Light and tightly covered. Over time and a few hits and misses brought us to the list above. Not everyone's favorites... I know. But my crew bitches 0% of the time with what we have now. I also have the carbo deck pads, mast bracket made by Clear Air Carbon in Canada (a set up must). I used many of the pictures and ideas from APS, Sail22, etc to get our set-up. Plus attending regattas where a substantial # of boats attend also helps. Many owners in the fleet are very open to sharing what works and what doesn't. If you struggle at all in set-up, crew work, etc. - Ask your local hot shot for help, they should be cool with it.
  6. Means of propulsion

    Now a days all the sailors are pro athletes, they can adapt quickly and are paid to do so. If OR suddenly changes to bikes at this point in the cycle, can the team adapt quickly enough? If ETNZ has trained their team for a long period on the bikes then they may just have the advantage because the physiology of a grinder and a cyclist is quite different. The grinders would be built way bigger up top and have the ability to stay aerobic and switch to anaerobic from the waist up and the opposite is true for the bikers (down below). Spinning the handles or the cranks takes time to develop - speed vs. power or speed plus power. You don't create muscle memory overnight... To do this and switch effectively takes months of preparation. Not weeks. This is gonna be very interesting to watch!
  7. Team NZ

    The shoes/cleat combination is a pretty basic Shimano set-up. They've been making stuff like that for over 20 years. Mountain bike cleats (double sided) and shoes normally come recessed port for the cleat. The more trick stuff has lots of carbon inside, especially in the sole. I see the challenge to make the sole stiff enough to transmit the power and comfortable to run across the boat during manoever, and make it an able running platform. A cyclocross shoe might be the ticket. Shimono created a "five finger" shoe that looks pretty neat a while ago.
  8. I've seen some boats mixing... but are there standouts in the particular sails?
  9. Does anyone know how we could get Tim Healey and Vince Brun's North Sails videos from YouTube over the "wall" to Qing in China via email or internet means? If there is no easy way, you might contact Tim Healey/North Sails directly and ask to send you the 4 videos. Cheers, G
  10. Chuso, ^+1 As long as you are sailing... It don't matter what it is as long as It makes you happy! Someday that 11th place finisher you noted above will finish 6th and he'll be over the moon! Go4
  11. I agree with you, here in Vigo there are 10 boats only (one of them is the top corinthian there at KWRW, "Marnatura"). Most of them are national or even world champions in different classes (Laser, vaurien, Snipe,VOR sailors, TP52, former AC sailors...) If I wanted to race OD with a chance of being top of the list I'd have to race J80s instead, now the pros are selling them at half the price of a J70 and regular club sailors like me are buying them.... Chuso, That's a cool opportunity. The J80 never took off here, but it was the boat we were going to buy before the J70 opportunity came along. Pissed to loose at big events? Where I live we have a small Corinthian fleet of J70s. Buying the J70 was the price of admission we paid to sail against some of the best out there - Roble, Hutchinson, Smith, Healy, etc. - folks I have only read about in magazines for years. For the most part you can't have that in other sports. Where am l going with this? Well the PROs beat us easily. But and this is key, they also provide an amazing amount of help when you get to shore, did you do this, that, etc. Even their shore guys were give tips in throw fleet. After attending a regatta with a big fleet of PROs, we easily came back 10% better. So it was worth it to get schooled. It didn't piss me off, I saw it as the best damn sailing education going. Plus we improved each day and had a couple results where statistically in the fleet we were beating PRO boats. It was an amazing experience. IMHO this is what can, and will attract more amateurs to the class. There are only so many PROs showing up to each regatta. Aside: As a PRO I can only assume it is not great for business showing up for an owner to finish 35th, or worse cause everyone can't finish first... I believe the fleet will balance out as the years go by. Sure, the pros will win national and named championships, but there will still be opportunity for the 80%+ of the boats not attending to sail at smaller OD events or handicap where the PROs are not so prevalent. My bet is 3000 hulls in 5 years time. Cheers, Go4
  12. ProOC, The asshat LS is long gone. His M/o is to stir shit and take off. Poor fella got his feelings hurt when his "chosen" sport boat got run outa dodge by a less than "able" boat in his esteemed opinion. It took me about 5 seconds in his profile and the power of Google to get an idea of who he is. He's a troll in other sports too. Sent him an olive branch on Sunday in a PM. No response. Surprise surprise he likes to have his tantrums in public. Poor thing... I am surprised he wasn't addressing himself in third person being important and entitled. Go4
  13. LS,Maybe you could help out Qing with the other part of his question you neglected to quote - "what tip can you pass to me to make mine go faster." With your expertise in obviously much faster & better boats you gotta have something to add, and not just a "sell that POS and buy a ___________." Shit man help us all learn! Go4
  14. LS,Jesus that is some deep seeded resentment! Yes, I was sharing reality. Mine and I can only surmise some other owners too. Please tell me this doesn't come from you buying an emerging OD fleet boat and it subsequently getting run outa your club by the J70... If you don't have a dog in the fight, go somewhere you do and do something there to move the needle. Or go to the "J70 Impressions" board, there are many like minded folks to you there... It hasnt been very active since May 2015, but I'm sure your comments and opinions could change that. The commercial success overall and of this JBoat is now global. So your points about the US (fat sailor) market are weak, and getting weaker. JBoats success is making what the market wants and the market either determining success or failure - they've had hulls on each side of that ledger. So far the J70 is successful, and JBoats because of it. You are out of business otherwise. Regardless, enjoy your book, I hope your armchair (or Adirondack) is comfortable. Go4
  15. LS, I am with Qing on this one. Now mind you "kill" is a strong term... However, it is hard to argue with the other 900ish owners around the world who have chosen the boat over the last three years. Not everyone will have a Porsche parked in the driveway, not everyone wants (needs) one. Buy what you want and need given the purpose it is intended. I'm an amateur, who wants to sail with family (wife, my 5 and 7 year old), friends, newbies, OD, 4 crew, shorthanded, alone, etc. I want to be able to sail (and have) when others in fear will not leave the dock. I searched for years for a good all around compromise and for all these things and the J70 became the answer. To date it has never failed me. Now don't get me wrong, the emerging tech of foiling is awesome! From cats to Moths, all very cool. With the proliferation of GoPro and Drones it makes one almost feel like being there. Thanks for being a proponent on the front trying to push high performance forward! Eventually the advances make it back to the slow moving crowd. Perhaps there is more under the surface of your note, are you upset your chosen fleet/design is not growing? One sailor and one boat can make a difference. Take somebody out on your adrenaline machine and show them how easy, fun and SAFE it is. They may just be the next owner in your fleet! Cheers, Go4