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  1. Ac50s designed for Bermuda would be unsuited to sailing some where else entirely? That is the revelation of the day right there
  2. In terms of ACEA intentions i recon Mr Clean has called that one right
  3. Hats off to the TNZ pr machine. Side stepped responsability for probably the most controversial part of the up coming protocol. Got it out early so we can get the wind and piss out of the way. And have set them selves up with their public as the defenders of sporting virtue again. All by letting the awd fella have his moment in front of his home crowd. Fair fucks Soooo who else is going to get in the middle of this good cop bad cop show down?
  4. So how much of a design advantage does LR have at this point?
  5. And so, once again, ETNZ will be the plucky defender of sporting morality and the little fella up against the tyrannical machinations of the old world establishment.
  6. I pray you are wrong. I fear you are right.
  7. One recent observation (or at recent reutterance) that I keep coming back to: for sailing to be interesting it has to be held where there is (a lot of) wind Freeman the had it. SF had it. But for 1 day Bermuda was a wash out.
  8. Both true and not true. For sure the innovation in technology came came from small boats, specifically moths, and format from the EXSS. But do you feel there would of been the rash of foiling adoption and interest in multihulls with out AC34, the AC WS and AC35? Except for half a dozen 60s, a couple of minis and some messing about on the Swiss lakes mono foiling doesn't really exist but for the moth, which is a great proof of concept but can you imagine a 30ft moth let alone a 60ft one?
  9. Cost Improving build quality and building to tight build standard takes investment or labour or both. It's usually justified by adding carbon to the lay up and saying "the boats are expensive but they last for ever". The j/70 wouldn't be the massive world wide hit it is if it cost what that would take. May be one set of 'production' rules for the Corinthians and a 'grand prix' set for people who want to pro it up might be worth consulting on.
  10. Oh god no. That's the least of it. Even when a fleet is 10+ years old with second hand values under 10k some point someone will enter 2 boats an event and pay for a crew for the second boat who do nothing except sail out to the course, do a 2 boat tune up and then DNS. Or when a design is 50 years old there will still be a premium for old boats in specific sail number ranges. Or people will buy 2nd and 3rd boats so that they can buy more sails than regulation. Or how about dropping over 1 million US on a single campaign including a near year long on site sail development program. (these are not all j/70 examples, just boats I the same size range)
  11. 2 boats passed measurement and 1 initially didn't but was put into order with the keel of a 4th.
  12. It doesn't go away though. It'll accelerate as people have boats almost rebuilt from the ground up to push the tolerances into what ever corner they feel will maximise performance and everyone will feel they have to spend to compete or don't have access to the knowledge required to get on the same page. Go to measurement stations etc. and people will strip the boats back to glass and reshape them.
  13. Come off it. The GP14 has super wide tolerances in order to allow for home build using 4x8 sheets of ply by a dad and son using 1970s techniques! Same with most of the classes in the UK from that era ... most of which don't actually refer to them selves as one design. The more serious guys head down to Devon and ask Morrison to create something at one end or the other of the tolerances. Just read the write up from the last Merlin Rocket nationals for an idea of the carry on that goes on with very small changes each year or so presented as brand new boats. The 505 is another example. Even the Wayfairer guys go at it FFS. Once you hit GPR construction the ones that have their own molds or a single builder use exactly the kind of rule that the J/70s are using. Exposed to a high level of competition the cost goes through the roof any way you shake it. Take the money spent on the JK Stars by the UK/IRL guys for the Olympics. Or Rita or their 470s. Or the effort gone into on centreboard twist for the 470 by the Australians. Controlling costs in a class is 100% about controlling the aspirations of the guys at the front of the fleet, who set the tone for everyone else.
  14. The builder who did the work should be added to the measurement team for the next event
  15. Even badly translated the bit that didn't get quoted here is a classic!