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  1. Well calibrated being the tripper. Will be interesting to see if we can get meaningful port/starboard splits courses out of the d10 with out a mast head.
  2. The problem with just lining up against the boats nearest to you is that you only get to make an incremental measure/improvement against those around you. And you don't know whether they're actually sailing well! Not good unless you can line up against the class hero and can hold onto them for a sustained period it's hard to make the performance gains/sustain the performance needed to hit the front. Ed was really hot on us putting a comparison of SOG and STW into the d10 so there's a tide-depth page that has SOG/STW comparison together with boatspeed and depth. Or you can bring that info off to the phone APP and leave the boatspeed, heading and heal angle on the mast display. I went back and reread some of the verbatums on the yes or no on the paddle wheel. How the boat is sailed in terms of crew configuration seems to have a lot to do with it. The bigger the boat the more specialised the roles are, the higher the standard to which individual roles are performed, and the greater the demand not just for boatspeed but for 2 digit boat speed. Talent and weight distribution being equal a helm and trimmer out perform one person doing both. The question is to what degree compared to weight on the rail? And 20-30ft is right at that cross road. A class like the Melges 24 where every one is hitting the straps bar the helm lends its self to the talents of dinghy sailors (J24 would be another example). What Slug is referring to is the tendency for a helm that's also trimming or that comes from a single handed background to put all their focus on boat speed and sail the compass for tactics. That'll only get you so far when the other boats are head-up shut up and drive. At some point it's worth swinging a pair of legs in to get the advantage of two people driving the boat. The 2-in-2 out rule in the j/70s, or the legs in Melges 20/SB20/Viper640 puts a different take on things too.
  3. Sailing World mag

    Now that would be cool
  4. Future Olympic lightweight-female dinghy

    I think I'm sticking my money on them going: Phase 2: Heavy weight men Light weight women Mens and womens board sports Mixed offshore Phase 3: Finn 470 Windsurfer something like a Diam 24 or Seascape 27
  5. always a challenge
  6. Future Olympic lightweight-female dinghy

    So, it seems like they just finished voting on Phase 1 of: Phase 1 - Decide what to review, and by default what would remain. The minimum number of boats up for review, by rule, was 4. The decision today is to review 5. Phase 2 - Decide the Events (high level description of what the racing should be) for the balance of the 5 events. This begins in Mid-March and concludes in a vote at the World Sailing mid-year meeting on May 15th in London. Phase 3 - Decide which equipment should be used by the nominated events. This vote can occur at the November 2018 meeting, with provisions to extend for an additional year if new boat designs are required. Classes/events NOT up for review: 49er/FX, Laser/Radial, Nacra 17 The driver for this is gender equality in terms of the number of events AND number of participants + the IOC now reviewing at the event level rather than sport as a whole. If we take it that mixed offshore is in at the behest of the IOC that leave space for 2 gender split events, or 1 gender split event and 2 mixed events For the Finn to survive it would have to be paired with a women's light weight event. That's really pretty unfortunate as we should be discussing what's the womens needs are, rather than what option should be foisted on the women in order to protect an established class.
  7. Quite a lot of different ways that people sail their boats but in general... Unless you're trying to get an accurate True Wind how ultimately accurate or "true" the speedo is isn't actually all that relevant. The most important thing (for an instrument maker) is to get the speedo responding in a way that correlates with the sailors other senses. Good sailors learn their speedo. They learn how it responded when the boat was performing well and they use it to identify new levels of performance internalising trim and feel when that happens. Also the more calculation involved the more lag, the less useful the data is (for speed). No-one that we've come across uses VGM. There's a trend in more powered up assy classes designed to sail with heal to sail downwind on the heal angle indicator rather than TWA i.e. a more immediate response with minimal processing between the sensor and the sailor. There's also a trend with new classes to leave the mast head unit out altogether. But we have come across some front of the fleet guys who poo poo using a speedo. They tend to be class experts i.e. they have so much time in the boat they have internalised its feel. Discourage anyone else from using tools that might bring them up to the same level any faster isn't in their interest. The question for everyone else is, do you spend years in the class learning how it feels by luck, trail and error or do you use basic tool that will help you accelerate your learning and keep you on the same piece of water while you do? The expert experts? The ones who hop from class to class? While they are boatspeed Nazi and use boatspeep to keep them selves as at the top of the performance curve they also keep their instruments simple, focusing on 1 or 2 basic and responsive numbers that keep them honest and then get their heads out of the boat.
  8. Our market research showed: The better the sailor the more fanatical they are about accurate boat speed and staying at target. The differences between classes is down to the philosophy in the class, cost control and each SMOD builders attitude toward equipping the boat. In terms of one design classes it brakes down like this: Day boats, dinghies: compass only with variations on whether shift tracking is allowed Moth and I14, Viper640, VX One, J24, 50/50 in the SB20 fleet (I'm sure there are others, these are the ones that came to mind): rely on GPS Everyone else: speed from a paddle wheel As Christian points out Solent and Chesapeake sailors class depth as a must have as they use it to find current relief. Not so much of an issue in Tampa or Dago. The trend in the travelling OD fleets in the US at the moment is towards using a speed only transducer sighting tack to tack differences when using a DST800 with offset paddle. Neither agree or disagree that's just what people are using.
  9. Future Olympic lightweight-female dinghy

    The back story for this to me is the desire to kick the 470 to touch. To do that you need a boat for the former 470 helms to sail. Mixed in one thing but open does not seem to go down with the IOC. So even if in reality a mens lightweight and womens heavy weight might be the same rig it's hard to see them as a single class. What we looking at? Mens lightweight single dinghy Womens light weight single dinghy Mens heavy weight single dinghy Womens heavy weight single dinghy ... all the same hulls with different rigs Mens skiff Womens skiff ... 49er hull with different rigs Mixed multi Mixed offshore ... takes us to 8 Leaving the show down on mens and womens board sailing between kites and windsurfers
  10. Future Olympic lightweight-female dinghy

    Given we're talking about 2024 we can only hope that they go to trial for a new platform that can equip mens and womens heavy and light weight disciplines with 3-4 different rig sizes. The most depressing outcome would be that they make radial rig slightly larger and a new rig for lightweight female.
  11. Sailing & Racing in/near Manchester UK

  12. Sailing & Racing in/near Manchester UK

    Plenty of puddle sailing in all directions. Just depends on which side of the city you're based. Elton, Hollingworth, Glossop & District probably the pick ... Combes, Todmoden, Dove Stone?, Macclesfield? Largest water near by would be Leigh & Lowton. Most active/most competitive racing probably Bolton. It's a wonderful club but not much added value in travelling to West Kirby to be honest unless you're into team racing. Their dinghy sailing is on the marine lake and keelboat stuff is highly tide dependent. There are other clubs on the Wiral worth checking out for trad style keelboat sailing. If it bigger stuff that floats your boat then be prepared for the trek to Pwllethi.
  13. 1st JPK 11.80 launches

    Looks very JPK. They seem to specialise in plenty of volume in front of the mast.
  14. A case against colored lines?

    Rigging blue control lines to yellow lines running up to the sail .. and the yellow control lines to the blue lines ... I mean WTF is up with that one??
  15. Racer sponsorship

    There is the money (or value) the sponsorship vehicle wants for their own purposes; then there is the money and effort you have to expend in order to get what ever value you want out of the sponsorship. You have the story you want to tell; they have something they need help with. It takes more effort to derive the value than it does to offer value for what ever the vehicle wants. It seems that very very very few seem to be willing to actually find out what story the sponsor wants to tell let alone be willing to tell that story on behalf of the sponsor. You just have to do it your self.