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  1. Sailing World mag

    Now that would be cool
  2. Future Olympic lightweight-female dinghy

    I think I'm sticking my money on them going: Phase 2: Heavy weight men Light weight women Mens and womens board sports Mixed offshore Phase 3: Finn 470 Windsurfer something like a Diam 24 or Seascape 27
  3. always a challenge
  4. Future Olympic lightweight-female dinghy

    So, it seems like they just finished voting on Phase 1 of: Phase 1 - Decide what to review, and by default what would remain. The minimum number of boats up for review, by rule, was 4. The decision today is to review 5. Phase 2 - Decide the Events (high level description of what the racing should be) for the balance of the 5 events. This begins in Mid-March and concludes in a vote at the World Sailing mid-year meeting on May 15th in London. Phase 3 - Decide which equipment should be used by the nominated events. This vote can occur at the November 2018 meeting, with provisions to extend for an additional year if new boat designs are required. Classes/events NOT up for review: 49er/FX, Laser/Radial, Nacra 17 The driver for this is gender equality in terms of the number of events AND number of participants + the IOC now reviewing at the event level rather than sport as a whole. If we take it that mixed offshore is in at the behest of the IOC that leave space for 2 gender split events, or 1 gender split event and 2 mixed events For the Finn to survive it would have to be paired with a women's light weight event. That's really pretty unfortunate as we should be discussing what's the womens needs are, rather than what option should be foisted on the women in order to protect an established class.
  5. Quite a lot of different ways that people sail their boats but in general... Unless you're trying to get an accurate True Wind how ultimately accurate or "true" the speedo is isn't actually all that relevant. The most important thing (for an instrument maker) is to get the speedo responding in a way that correlates with the sailors other senses. Good sailors learn their speedo. They learn how it responded when the boat was performing well and they use it to identify new levels of performance internalising trim and feel when that happens. Also the more calculation involved the more lag, the less useful the data is (for speed). No-one that we've come across uses VGM. There's a trend in more powered up assy classes designed to sail with heal to sail downwind on the heal angle indicator rather than TWA i.e. a more immediate response with minimal processing between the sensor and the sailor. There's also a trend with new classes to leave the mast head unit out altogether. But we have come across some front of the fleet guys who poo poo using a speedo. They tend to be class experts i.e. they have so much time in the boat they have internalised its feel. Discourage anyone else from using tools that might bring them up to the same level any faster isn't in their interest. The question for everyone else is, do you spend years in the class learning how it feels by luck, trail and error or do you use basic tool that will help you accelerate your learning and keep you on the same piece of water while you do? The expert experts? The ones who hop from class to class? While they are boatspeed Nazi and use boatspeep to keep them selves as at the top of the performance curve they also keep their instruments simple, focusing on 1 or 2 basic and responsive numbers that keep them honest and then get their heads out of the boat.
  6. Our market research showed: The better the sailor the more fanatical they are about accurate boat speed and staying at target. The differences between classes is down to the philosophy in the class, cost control and each SMOD builders attitude toward equipping the boat. In terms of one design classes it brakes down like this: Day boats, dinghies: compass only with variations on whether shift tracking is allowed Moth and I14, Viper640, VX One, J24, 50/50 in the SB20 fleet (I'm sure there are others, these are the ones that came to mind): rely on GPS Everyone else: speed from a paddle wheel As Christian points out Solent and Chesapeake sailors class depth as a must have as they use it to find current relief. Not so much of an issue in Tampa or Dago. The trend in the travelling OD fleets in the US at the moment is towards using a speed only transducer sighting tack to tack differences when using a DST800 with offset paddle. Neither agree or disagree that's just what people are using.
  7. Future Olympic lightweight-female dinghy

    The back story for this to me is the desire to kick the 470 to touch. To do that you need a boat for the former 470 helms to sail. Mixed in one thing but open does not seem to go down with the IOC. So even if in reality a mens lightweight and womens heavy weight might be the same rig it's hard to see them as a single class. What we looking at? Mens lightweight single dinghy Womens light weight single dinghy Mens heavy weight single dinghy Womens heavy weight single dinghy ... all the same hulls with different rigs Mens skiff Womens skiff ... 49er hull with different rigs Mixed multi Mixed offshore ... takes us to 8 Leaving the show down on mens and womens board sailing between kites and windsurfers
  8. Future Olympic lightweight-female dinghy

    Given we're talking about 2024 we can only hope that they go to trial for a new platform that can equip mens and womens heavy and light weight disciplines with 3-4 different rig sizes. The most depressing outcome would be that they make radial rig slightly larger and a new rig for lightweight female.
  9. Sailing & Racing in/near Manchester UK

    https://isora.org/
  10. Sailing & Racing in/near Manchester UK

    Plenty of puddle sailing in all directions. Just depends on which side of the city you're based. Elton, Hollingworth, Glossop & District probably the pick ... Combes, Todmoden, Dove Stone?, Macclesfield? Largest water near by would be Leigh & Lowton. Most active/most competitive racing probably Bolton. It's a wonderful club but not much added value in travelling to West Kirby to be honest unless you're into team racing. Their dinghy sailing is on the marine lake and keelboat stuff is highly tide dependent. There are other clubs on the Wiral worth checking out for trad style keelboat sailing. If it bigger stuff that floats your boat then be prepared for the trek to Pwllethi.
  11. 1st JPK 11.80 launches

    Looks very JPK. They seem to specialise in plenty of volume in front of the mast.
  12. A case against colored lines?

    Rigging blue control lines to yellow lines running up to the sail .. and the yellow control lines to the blue lines ... I mean WTF is up with that one??
  13. Racer sponsorship

    There is the money (or value) the sponsorship vehicle wants for their own purposes; then there is the money and effort you have to expend in order to get what ever value you want out of the sponsorship. You have the story you want to tell; they have something they need help with. It takes more effort to derive the value than it does to offer value for what ever the vehicle wants. It seems that very very very few seem to be willing to actually find out what story the sponsor wants to tell let alone be willing to tell that story on behalf of the sponsor. You just have to do it your self.
  14. SuperFoiler Grand Prix

    can help wondering what it would be like with them just reaching and bearing away to a gybe at each end of the course. the tacking and gybing on that course was just random
  15. what's it for?

    RS them selves don't seem to be calling this a sportsboat. The primary focus is on participation and involvement for everyone on board rather that an arbitrary performance focused qualification. Is there a market? Its not so much whether this is any different from the 20fter on the next stand or the one further along the isle, the question is whether there are enough groups of sailors that don't want to sail together to need a new boat. The Melges 20 scene is more Dragon than the J/70s Thistle. With the team and collective ownership focus they're giving this they are ticking all the "what is Gen Z" boxes. More power to them for that.
  16. RS 21 - Fugly or just a different genre

    2 in, 2 out possibly. Hard to think a decision will be made until they have some sea trials out of the way.
  17. Some where on the To Do list is the receipt of a custom NMEA string that will turn the d10 into a dumb display showing what ever was received. The only reason it isn't further up the priorities is that someone would have to do work to integrate to it. So it'll probably get done when VMG need it for a custom application for a TPIORC50something.
  18. Yep, restricted but not banned. Viper640 and VX One have a similar 'self contained' rule J24/22 has prescriptions on what functionality is allowed ('distance to a line' apparently means distance to a start line rather than a layline) SB20 has a list of approved devices
  19. Very very nice. 100% agree with their assessment in terms of delivering a straight up compass. Basically there's a band of boats that include the J22, J24, SB20, Viper and VX One that have restrictive use GPS rules. Above them it's open. Below them it's compass only and less than 50% allow a shift tracker. The only exceptions are like the Moth, International 14 and Weta.
  20. Over all:

    Driving lift force is generated mostly by the luff of the jib. The longer you make it the more drive the sail plan will generate. There's also a tip vortex advantage from getting the head of the jib up to the mast.

    IRC is also poor at measuring positive roach in the jib, a top batten can sneak some free area.

    Mainsail, and particularly the leech where any area would be added, provides a larger area for the pressure to renormalize with out causing turbulence. Adding extra area may not actually add a lot in terms of upwind lift.

    What it will do is change the balance of the rig, so it will need to be more upright, and add more sail area down wind.

    That's general advice, I guess a lot depends on the style of racing and performance relative to you competition.

    I sail a quarter tonner. The class is heavily mod'ed to IRC for windward/leeward racing. The mod is:

    Move the rig back to the front of the keel.

    Max length jib luff on a 7/8ths halyard height. With the No. 1 filling space back to the spreaders.

    Main is sized to give neutral weather helm, and then everything else goes into the spinikear area.

    Mast height is not excessive but is tall.

    Given the importance of getting to the windward mark first the general recent trend has been towards adding lead and mast height.

    1. George Hackett

      George Hackett

      Thanks rgeek. Yes I am see what you are discussing and have had to make rig addjustments based on what main I carry. 

  21. Mods and IRC impact

    Question is which change would enable you out sail the 0.013? My bet would of been on maxing the jib luff length.
  22. How to build large format display

    For what it's worth so far around half our customers have not been sportsboat. I think the biggest boat that's bought one is north of 50ft. Yeh a lot of interest in the waterproof battery Scanstrut showed at METs, not just for the d10. We have a lot of distributors in common and they are all on the case. Early summer was the last update I got. I gather that Milwaulkee battery set-up has been used for years. There's a Bosch equivalent for the UK/EU heads too. Sail 22 weren't the only installer to suggest it but I'd trust Ed to know what he's talking about. Viper/VX One? I did a full season with it on a leaky SB20 during the development if that helps? But you're right, it's a choice. Some don't mind a bit of work -- that's easier than the solar panel install for the Racemaster with paddle wheel to be fair; some want to rock up and don't mind carrying round a spare dry bag for the extra AA batteries. As a GPS/compass it's horses for courses. As soon as you add a paddle wheel the d10 wins I recon. We have backpack designs coming out our holes but at some point you've gotta get off the pot.
  23. Irish Expedition Users

    You sure they don't still take Stirling at the George??
  24. Mods and IRC impact

    Just remember that 'slow it down' is not always the answer. Some times ya just godda go harder... Check out the sprit on this IRC optimised Mumm/Farr 30: https://www.facebook.com/pegasusdekmarx/ To close out the mid range hole where they couldn't be competitive against the 40ers they race against then basically figured even faster was the answer.
  25. Calling/denying buoy room

    Give room and protest is the requirement. Last point of certainty is the measure i.e. if they don't agree back it up the course until they do agree or there is a witness.