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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.

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  1. Beautiful video. You Scandinavians are tough!
  2. The halyard is spliced onto a short piece of thicker line and that engages in a cleat at the top of the mast. There's then a boss on the side of the mast that you route the halyard around to another cleat on the front of the mast. If you get it tight it does not flap that I've ever noticed. The remaining tail then tucks into a sail pocket by the tack. All rather neat and simpler than I'm making it sound.Anybody figured out how to modify mast bend with this setup? Or is the mast layup designed to take this into account? Does what sounds like a wraparound halyard chafe against the mast as it flexes? Is the mast top cleat a halyard lock? On the Aero is it a v-cleat I believe. A halyard lock would work better IMO. That is what we have on the D-Zero and no chance of it popping out as long as you make sure the ferrule goes in to the lock properly when you hoist. I'm not sure what a "halyard lock" is, but it sounds like a some kind of mystery-shackle connecting the head of the sail to a "lock" at the top of the mast, but with the added benefit that it can somehow be opened and closed by virtue of the sailor manipulating the halyard in some manner while standing at the base of the mast. If that is indeed accurate, then it's hard to see how anyone could argue that it's not a superior solution (unless the cost is prohibitive).
  3. Don't get me wrong, I love the Aero. But my main complaint (which really isn't a complaint b/c there's an easy workaround) is that the halyard pops off the cleat on hard, smashing capsizes (even if you don't pole-vault the mast on the ground beneath the water). Again, not really a "complaint" because I just shackle the head of the sail to the top of the mast and all is well. But there are some reasons to prefer a sleeved sail over a halyard. On my Sabre (Aussie class) with a halyard most boats either have a v-cleat or a horn cleat and never pop out that I know of. Is the cleat at the tip of the mast, or at the base of the mast in the boats you mentioned? In the Aero, the halyard cleat is at the tip of the mast. So, if you have a really really hard capsize in heavy surf (which happens to me a lot, but is probably not a concern for most Aero sailors) that cleated halyard swings down like a baseball bat at the tip of the mast and slaps the water REALLY hard, and then gets throshed all around in the surf. If the halyard cleat is at the base of the mast, then the cleat is probably immune to this kind of throttling. But with the cleat out at the end of the mast, my personal experience is that this throttling at the tip of the mast knocks the halyard out of the cleat. TO ANYONE INTERESTED IN THE AERO - this is not a big deal. If you're not routinely having lots of really really hard capsizes in big winds and surf that slap the mast down into the water really violently, then this is not going to happen to you. And if you *DO* do that kind of sailing w/ the Aero, then a shackle solves all the problems. But that being said, if I ever do buy a Melges 14 I'm going to trash it in the surf, for which it will be nice to have the sleeved sail.
  4. The Laser and the Aero are both pretty uncomfortable when drifting around in super light winds (what small, fast dinghy isn't?). I haven't been able to discern a distinction in comfort between the two in drifter conditions. The Aero is definitely more comfortable in hiking conditions. To me, they're both pretty much the same in comfort in low-to-medium winds (enough wind to sit out on the edge of the boat, but not enough to warrant hiking).
  5. From my own experience sailing the Melges 14 in those conditions (18-20 knots, 4-5 ft chop), the furthest aft you'll ever need to sit is in line with the traveler. It seems to me that the boat even has early rise/rocker in the bow --- this picture kinda shows what I'm talking about: Thanks Mystique. Good to know.
  6. Don't get me wrong, I love the Aero. But my main complaint (which really isn't a complaint b/c there's an easy workaround) is that the halyard pops off the cleat on hard, smashing capsizes (even if you don't pole-vault the mast on the ground beneath the water). Again, not really a "complaint" because I just shackle the head of the sail to the top of the mast and all is well. But there are some reasons to prefer a sleeved sail over a halyard.
  7. I like the sleeved sail - that's actually a selling point for me. But the thing that concerns me is that the layout of the boat prevents the sailor from sitting on the back 2 feet or so of the boat. The traveler line at the back basically prevents you from scooting your butt back to the very rear of the boat. From my experience w/ the Aero, that's not good. I need to be able to sit at the VERY rear of the Aero to keep the nose up in big wind and waves. Is the design of the Melges 14 different? Does the sailor's weight not need to be situated in the very rear of the boat in big winds/waves to keep the bow up out of the water? Maybe it's fine, but I'd like to see video of someone smoking in the Melges 14 @ 20 mph or so in some sizeable chop so that I can confirm that they are doing so seated forward of the traveler.
  8. Nice looking boat:
  9. I learned to sail in a Laser. You can usually find a cheap old Laser for $1,500 or less. It's a tough boat, easy to learn on, but has enough performance pep to make it exciting even after you learn the basics. The only criteria it doesn't satisfy for you is that it's a single person boat. But at only $1,500, why not just pick one up and you and the missus can learn on it, and you can then always keep it around to sail alone when your wife is not up for sailing? Even if you could sail the double hander sailboat yourself, you'd want to have a Laser around to brave the really windy conditions. You certainly wouldn't want to take a 505 (or any double hander) out by yourself in 25 mph winds, even once you are a competent sailor. But 25 mph winds is pretty routine fare for a competent Laser sailor. And it's pretty easy to develop sufficient skill in a Laser to get it to sail up on a hydroplane. Once you do that, you'll really be having fun and can progress on to more challenging boats.
  10. More scared than fun: More fun than scared:
  11. There are ~30 Aeros in the Seattle area alone, and close to 100 on the west coast. Imagine that's why they didn't bother. (we're also far away from the rest of the world). That said, I've sailed the Melges 14, it's a pretty nice boat. Comfortable and roomy. I am sure they will sell 50-100 in the US, but, the market for a $9k singlehanded boat is fairly limited (trust me, I know, been there, attempted that). Even Aeros get up there in price when you add extra sails, lots of accessories. I am biased (sell lots of Aeros), my two main issues with the Melges 14 were a) sleeved sail? I can't for the life of me figure out how someone deals with that in big breeze. Lots of our customers struggle with the Laser mast in 15+ heavy. Now, I get it, the Aero is on the extreme end of light. But from a usability/car top/launching, every pound out of the boat helps. I liked sailing the Melges 14, and it's clear they know what they are doing, well balanced and fun...zero argument there. Limited to no dealers (that matters on a small boat, maybe not as much on a Melges 24), and a big lead from the competition. I can see them selling up to a 100 or so, but, it's a lot of coin, for a big dinghy. But, you never know, it says Melges on it, and that is worth something. On the point of sleeved sails, I have found the Aero halyard unreliable in big winds and in big waves after capsize. Unless you're constantly replacing the halyard cleat rope (which you won't), it's going to wear down around the area where it cleats, and its going to uncleat/loosen fairly easily in 25+ mph conditions. I end up having to attach the sail head to the top of the mast w/ a shackle, which essentially turns it into a sleeve sail of sorts. There's lots of reasons to love the Aero over the Melges and the Laser, but if you're going to sail in big winds, I don't think the sleeved sail vs halyard is a winning point for the Aero.
  12. Having sailed both Lasers and the Aero, I thought I'd prefer a halyard, but after over a year of sailing the Aero, I actually do prefer a sleeved sail. Way less that can go wrong.
  13. Well, I had planned to learn the kite in light winds, of course, but only after sailing w/ just the mainsail in light winds for a month or so. But in light of your comments, I'll at least rig up the kite (which I had not planned to do) so that it's available in my initial light wind sailing. Thanks.
  14. Well, I've got her rigged up in my front yard right now. I think I understand her well enough to go sail w/o the kite in light winds. I'm not even going to think about rigging the kite until I can get around in light winds w/ just the mainsail.
  15. I was planning to get it wet for the first time this weekend, but the winds will be 15 - 20 mph this weekend. So, that will be a big NO! Hopefully calmer winds the next weekend.