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    Cat tails from over the horizon

    I don't remember the source, but their reasoning was that a performance multi might have less rudder pressure, but it would need much more rudder movements to keep course. Paul
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    Cat tails from over the horizon

    Probably not a bad boat: https://yachthub.com/list/boats-for-sale/used/sail-catamarans/morrelli-and-melvin-52-superb-offshore-cat-immac-condition-must-sell/237657 Paul PS: OK, just had a closer look. I don't like a number of design choices. Would take it as a gift, though. :-)
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    Cat tails from over the horizon

    I am not 100% sure, but I think the Philocat is sold (or withdrawn). Nice boat though. Paul
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    SiTex PC Radar

    Yeah, but why go with the unknown product, that most-certainly will _not_ work with OpenCPN (see radar plugin documentation), if there is a quality product at the same price that is known to work ? Paul
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    Coppercoat Redux

    Like some others on this forum I appreciate you rehashing these topics. Since we lag 6-12 month behind your plan, this way we can comfortably see, how the discussion turns out and and have a current reference for a "state-of-the-art" refit. Could you do another one on "toilet refit" as well? :-) Vacuum, Composting, Electric, ... That is even more complicated than picking the right material for the sails... To start with the usual useless non-generalizable anecdotes: I painted over the copper coat on my current _daysailing_ boat, because it didn't work in our harbour at all without constant scrubbing. :-) But I think that if you accept having to scrub the boat every now and then, there is nothing better than copper coat. That stuff is so slippery and hard, that cleaning was a very simple affair. Only doing it in the cold water in the Baltic was no fun. I switched to one of the antifouling systems used for "the big boats": a self-polishing product from BASF called Relest Marine Ecoship. Comparable products are available from others as well. These are based on a PVC-Vinyl primer - not that I understand the details. For the mediterranean and colder seas you can realistically expect multiple years from one application ( 2 layers last 2-3 years, I think with 3 layers you could hope for 4 years). The stuff really polishes off (gets thinner) and doesn't simply "erode until the chips break off". Is the full Coppercoat treatment for such a large boat really just 15k USD? I would have suspected that it would be much more expensive, as I read about price of 10k for much smaller monohulls. Paul
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    SiTex PC Radar

    Isn't that about the same price as a Garmin XHD or a Navico 3G (i.e. their previous generation)? You can use those with Opencpn on your PC without an MFD. Paul
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    what is it?

    Great idea to reduce the windage on the hulls. Brilliant. Paul
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    Cat tails from over the horizon

    If money is of no concern, here is the listing of Traverse https://www.gunboat.com/brokerage/traverse/ - I think it was mentioned above, that the boat would come to the market. Paul
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    Cat tails from over the horizon

    Sorry guys (unless one of you was really quick): Finn is SALE PENDING. Paul
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    Cat tails from over the horizon

    Love that 60 foot Oram, although it can probably be a really expensive boat to have in many parts of the world when you can't anchor out for free but have to pay per foot in a marina or ON a laid mooring. I noticed it yesterday when I inadvertently clicked on the wrong button (one size up) on Yachthub. Price seems OK for what you get. Paul
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    Honeycomb too delicate for cruising?

    Thanks for having a look. The backside of the bulkheads have either no visible or a slightly smaller crack. The other 3 corners of the cutouts have no cracks. Paul
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    Honeycomb too delicate for cruising?

    Hmmm, I can't leave this unloved honeycomb boat alone and had a closer look a few days ago. Bulkheads in this boat are honeycomb too, of course. :-) A number of the bulkheads show cracks and other deformations. It seems that the bulkhead cutouts haven't even been laminated over - just the wood trim over the open cut (see the deformation picture). The honeycomb meterial is not from an internationally known supplier, but from a German company http://www.tubus-waben.de/en/index.html that I had never heard of before. Question is: RUN AWAY AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE or have a surveyor/boatbuilder take a closer look what it would take to fix it? Paul
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    TS42

    Yup, the (newer) Dazcats are very nice indeed. Unfortunately there are so few of them, that they never seem to be on the market. :-) Paul
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    Cat tails from over the horizon

    That would be Yana? http://trimaranyana.blogspot.com/ Definitely a cool tri. I didn't realize that they had already gone that far. Paul
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    Cat tails from over the horizon

    I hope there is a "no" you missed in that sentence! Paul