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    San Diego CA
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    Beneteau First 405

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  1. Hah! I suspected as much. That would drive me nuts. For coastal cruising in SoCal, upwind is really important unless you want to motor everywhere. I imagine just getting back into the San Diego bay would be a chore tacking a huge cat back and forth across the narrowest point. On my deep draft, tall rig F405 I can usually get in without tacking, but it often takes a bit of pinching and working the lifts when they come. Not that that's what I'd be getting the big boat for, but I'd still want her happy in her home waters.
  2. How do they sail? I saw a bunch of Lagoons & the interior is amazing, but a bit worried about the lack of boards, recent Beneteau factory heritage, etc. Are they dock condos or can they actually go upwind? Amazing seeing the number of big catamarans destroyed or nearly destroyed by the storm...
  3. Thanks guys. I like several solutions here: Higher latitudes = steel brick shithouse Lower latitudes = ~50' cat Lowest cost = harbor hopping 45-50' mono, add pipe berths as needed; even just pile into the F405 and treat it like an RV with lots of stops on land Win the lotto = Alibi 54, 60' carbon cat, or that new Rapido trimaran... we could circumnavigate over summer break! Knowing my wife and sister-in-law (plus the five soft San Diego kids) the higher latitudes will be a tough sell in anything less than the Queen Mary. Although I've always been a monohull guy the idea of all that deck/tramp space on a big cat someplace warm is really appealing, and I hadn't really realized how much cabin space the bigger multis have. Also appreciate the two-boat idea; it's something I'd thought about but I'd want us all in the same boat. Also, no interest in building anything. I'm just finishing up building our house, and the experience was a huge pain in the ass - much prefer sailing & letting someone else take the depreciation hit. I'm gonna keep looking at ~50' cats...
  4. Hah! Well I'm going to be nuts one way or the other over the coming decade, so I might as well do it on a boat. At least it'll be a bit easier to secure the perimeter against boys. I'm going to have to ask the Navy here if I can lease one of the dolphins they train to protect their ships against intruders. I can see the minimalist ex-charter boat solution working if we do harbor-hopping, maybe combined with some onshore camping. Order of magnitude cheaper than the boats I've been looking at, and familiar boat handling so very good to have it as an option - thanks Pano.
  5. Long weekend daydreaming here... we just had another fantastic day on the water here in San Diego this Saturday with my sister-in-law and her family. We've shared a yard & property for 10 years, and now have a total of five girls, now ages 3,7,8,9,10. On the way back to the marina we started chatting about a long trip - taking a year off with the whole crew. Just talk at this point - we'll be doing a lot more trips on our First 405 before committing to anything like that, but I've been having fun dreaming about what a bigger trip would be like. So I know the standard advise is "go with the boat that you have", but that's obviously not realistic with the crew we've got. Just for fun, what would your preferred setup be for a departure in, say, 3 years with four adults and five girls ages 6-13? Safety is critical and a modicum of comfort would be important. I suspect we'd be spending far more time on the hook than passage making. No idea where we'd want to go yet; I'd love to do some high latitude stuff during the summer. How does one find a vessel with sufficient space & 9 berths (don't want people sleeping in the salon). I hate to even suggest it, but is a sailing vessel even practical at these sizes? To get the space of something like a Nordhavn 62 I'd be looking at an 80' sailing vessel; 60' seems like about as small as we could go with 9 berths. I'm the only experienced sailor (though that would change somewhat by the time we leave); I may be wrong but the forces involved with sails of that size give me pause with small kids running around. We've got resources but aren't wealthy - I'd want something we could buy, refit & then re-sell after a year of use for something like the purchase price, understanding we'd probably lose most/all of the re-fit $$. Maybe $5-600k for the boat, $100k for the re-fit? $100k probably doesn't buy a set of sails for an 80 footer! Fun to think about anyway - curious how the experienced folks would approach this.
  6. Mission bay is different from SD bay - no commercial traffic or waves, shallow water, small boat paradise. Also all the distances are relatively short. Off the wall option: hard dink with a sailing rig and a 2hp outboard and oars. My Trinka 10 is a blast when I anchor in Mariner's basin on an overnight from SD bay w my little kids. We can sail, row, fish, explore the islands... I never bothered with the o/b but it'd be easy to add. Edit: tows well too! No davits for me. Should be okay to Catalina. Maybe stow it on deck for anything longer.
  7. How good are the watch barometers? I'm looking at the new quad sensor Casio Gulfmaster, Garmin Quatix 5, etc. I like the idea of having one on my wrist so I can keep tabs on it regularly and learn to correlate it to weather - inasmuch as we have such a thing here in San Diego...
  8. Congrats! My girls are 3, 7, and 9 - I can how proud you must be of your kid. She seems to have a great sense of self, a bright future and a fantastic set of stories - hope we can do as well.
  9. Holy crap CS50. That is a hell of a lot of really nice boat for the $$. I'd never heard of it. Looks nicely done up too.
  10. Yep - love my First 405! Very similar boat. And the PO removed the headliner from the aft cabin!
  11. That's my knife as well - love it. Opens beer just fine.
  12. This is really good stuff - thanks. Scariest experience I ever had on a boat was racing a Capri 22 in Dago 15 years ago - my first time on the water in about 10 years. Two young guys out trying to win, and we were doing well until I unknowingly overrode the jib sheet. The error was discovered on the next tack when we found ourselves hove to (safely) in the middle of the bay while the fleet passed us by. We went to work diligently trying to free the jib, both of our heads down. After making no progress, we were startled by a huge horn blast - a massive barge was bearing down on us; the towboat captain evidently saw us late, and was maneuvering his vessel at a right angle to the barge in an attempt to alter its course, engines churning up froth. Looking up at this thing bearing down on us, seeming to tower over our mast, was the most terrifying thing I ever hope to experience. Tug captain's yelling at us "put on a fucking vest!!!" and then "take a fucking class!!!" which is hilarious in retrospect. We didn't have vests on, and no knife handy. I even tried starting the outboard, to no avail. Only at the very very very last minute did my buddy have a moment of clarity; he simply tacked the boat back so the jammed sheet was on the leward side again. This went against all instinct because it required us to turn into the oncoming barge; we probably came within 5-10 feet of being plowed under. But as soon as he did it, we got up enough speed to get back to safety. I am very very grateful that we didn't get hit, and only slightly less grateful that nobody got it on tape. I can only imagine the lashing we would have been subjected to. But to Ship o's comments below, when the situation gets dire, it's very very difficult to think rationally. I look forward to hearing their take on the story, hope all learn something from their near-death experience, and "there but for the grace of God go I..."
  13. The cams actually work just fine; the rash is just cosmetic. I think the correct answer is a pedestal; nothing else will get the block to clear the cams. In the meantime I did a temp fix with two D-shackles. Worked great on our sail this afternoon. I think the original setup was a 3:1 (the vessel came with an old spare 3:1 main system); the narrower block doesn't interfere with the cams. No good way to winch it though. Strange.
  14. that's actually a taob
  15. Geez... we sailed by there on the way back from MissionBay that afternoon... on the correct side of the kelp beds so too far off to see them if they were still there. Very mild conditions; 5-8kts due west; even the tiniest bit of sailing ability and any amount of sail up should enable you to avoid grounding yourself even without an engine and fouled by kelp. Wonder what happened.