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  1. greenwhiteblack

    ILCA gives LPE the boot... seeking new Laser builder

    Here's all the fees for those of you who have been debating about them. https://psasailing.com.au/pages/ilca-faqs
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    ILCA gives LPE the boot... seeking new Laser builder

    Depends on the year, and the timing in the quad. In general, regattas that we would use a new sail for; - Palma - Hyeres - Laser Europeans - Laser Worlds - Japan World Cup - Nationals Then depending on if you go to Miami, or want to use a new sail for a regatta like Sail Melbourne, that's a few more. If you're doing some high level training camps/coaches regattas, you'd also use a new sail for them as well
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    ILCA gives LPE the boot... seeking new Laser builder

    Coming from someone who has campaigned for the last four years, I'll give you a rough estimate. Boat - usually 1 per year, depends a bit on which events you want to do. For those of us not from Europe, this usually means having at least 1 boat in Europe, and one at home. Depending on what sort of deal you get (some national teams have sponsorship type arrangements with builders/dealers), you'll look to spend 6000 euros on a boat roughly + 1500 in freight/import taxes sending it to the EU. As an Aussie, you can recoup a lot of that by selling the boat at the end of the season. Sails - new sail per event + say 2- 3 training sails a year = roughly 10 sails at 500 euros or whatever they go for in EUR. Spars - probably 2 - 3 bottom masts per year. Booms and Carbon Top Sections usually only need 1 per season. Then factor in the small things we go through somewhat regularly ie ropes, blocks etc = roughly 300 euros. This is for someone who wants to do it at a competitive level with the top guys, whilst on a budget. A lot of the top guys have 1 boat in Europe, 1 in Japan, and 1 in their home country.
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    ILCA gives LPE the boot... seeking new Laser builder

    Since it hasn't been mentioned in the thread yet (much to my surprise), and despite what many are saying here about PSA making a fortune from the FRAND situation, PSA recently sent out an email to all their dealers expressing their concern about the number of new builders being approved by ILCA. Both PSA and PSJ told ILCA that the market could only handle 3 additional builders. The email was essentially telling dealers to prepare for a price war, and that PSA expected to be fine in the short term, but are worried about the future
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    ILCA gives LPE the boot... seeking new Laser builder

    @SimonN Your guess is exactly what I was thinking. I think at this point it's just become an ego war for LP/Rastegar. I'm sure he thinks he'll be able to win in court.
  6. greenwhiteblack

    ILCA gives LPE the boot... seeking new Laser builder

    Something to do with their ability to continue building Lasers?
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    ILCA gives LPE the boot... seeking new Laser builder

    If I remember correctly, Chris Caldecoat mentioned at the ALCA AGM (think I've also heard this elsewhere from Eric et al) that the ILCA branding is temporary and that the class is looking in to other options for branding, and they might have a competition or ask for submissions
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    ILCA gives LPE the boot... seeking new Laser builder

    IIRC the vote was under attended by European districts. Not only will TLC not work due to WS, but the high chance that LP won't be able to continue building boats, both due to legal costs and other potential roadblocks
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    ILCA gives LPE the boot... seeking new Laser builder

    The Olympic Class Worlds (Standard Men and Radial Women) have been mandatory charter for at least 10 years (with the exception of 2014 - where LP decided to pull out of their role at the last minute). This will continue until at least 2028, with PSA having reached an agreement with ILCA to be the official charter boat supplier for all Worlds until then, regardless of location. This also includes all the other non-Olympic class Worlds which will continue to be non-mandatory charter; thus uncapping the number of entries.
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    ILCA gives LPE the boot... seeking new Laser builder

    What makes you think the second sentence is not true?
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    ILCA gives LPE the boot... seeking new Laser builder

    Our racing only starts at 2pm each day, cut them a bit of slack... I'd suggest not staying up following results tonight, we'll be lucky to race at all
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    ILCA gives LPE the boot... seeking new Laser builder

    According to Chris Caldecoat at the recent ALCA AGM, C5 rigs are for sale at the moment, but there's no immediate plans for the class to adopt them. He thinks that the C5 could be a success, but is far more skeptical about the other two rigs. That being said, apparently the IOC/WS are keen to see the Olympic boats with new rigs. On another note, he said how he expected no more 3 or 4 new builders, as there are few companies out there with the experience or the roughly $2.5m needed to start up. Further, PSA has also agreed to be the charter boat supplier for all ILCA and WS World Championships, regardless of location, and at no cost to the OA.
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    ILCA gives LPE the boot... seeking new Laser builder

    In bringing on new builders, I'd go as far to suggest that ILCA add clauses to builders contracts whereby ILCA can instigate 'boat recalls' if an inspection finds errors in the build process. This will put pressure on builders to ensure they don't stray from the LCMA. I've purchased parts in the past which were manufactured out of spec, and they were immediately replaced free of charge, but I can't imagine any builder would do this for hulls without contractual obligations/pressure from ILCA. With that in mind, ILCA will need to use the additional fees collected from the new builders to bring on additional Technical Officers to perform more frequent factory inspections. As it is, I'm told Clive has a lot on managing 2/3 annual inspections of the current builders. Further, along with the threat of 'boat recalls' for LCMA violations, ILCA should be releasing a report on all factory inspections, to create the transparency needed to help prevent 'boat park rumours' about one manufacturer being better than the others.
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    ILCA gives LPE the boot... seeking new Laser builder

    Despite LP bringing out the "Ice Blue" boats which were supposed to be built to match the PSA boats, anyone who has sailed both boats will tell you there's still obvious differences. Pre-Ice Blue, the PSA boats seemed to be weighted more towards the stern, or evenly distributed, whereas the LP boats were a bit more bow heavy. However, even with the Ice Blue boats, there is still definite differences in the transom angle/gudgeon placement. Ask any Aussie who's had to charter an LP boat at an event, and most of them will have had trouble with their tillers hitting the traveller cleat, as for some reason the tiller sits much lower on the LP boats than their usual PSA boats. I've heard quite a few people on the Olympic circuit citing this difference as the reason behind the speed of Aussie boats (read sailors), but I think that's just jealousy...
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    ILCA gives LPE the boot... seeking new Laser builder

    Do you really think they'd tell us 'LP has been building non-compliant boats, and since we haven't been able to inspect them for three years, there may be thousands of boats which weren't built properly'? Of course not. Just like the PSA 'breach', it will be kept quiet until a party in the know exposes it. What does our region's WC member stand to gain by lying about a manufacturer having compliance issues? Going forward, ILCA needs to be far more transparent with compliance issues and spend more money implementing more frequent factory inspections; especially with new manufacturers coming on board.