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    Larry's AC50 Circus

    IGES implies nothing because it is a file format that is neutral and can be read by a wide range of cad systems. I am not sure where you get the idea that the files simply defined a box rule. Each component of the wing was exactly defined and those components were a strict one design shape. To quote Seahorse https://www.seahorsemagazine.com/106-content/march-2017/460-unclipping-the-wings The shape of the components might have been fixed, by the construction and control systems weren't.
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    Larry's AC50 Circus

    All the sources say new boards and rudders have been developed and are being built at core. I think to call them "generic" is wrong, because because they are a development moving on from what teams had done for AC35. The comment I believe is that they will be faster than at AC35. As for the wing, the iges files were a 3d design that all the wings had to build to. That means the shape of each part is the same on all boats. What was not specified was the construction method or the control systems.Most knowledgeable observers suggest that nobody gained any noticeable advantage in construction but that ETNZ was way ahead of the others in control systems and Artemis was a little ahead of the others with the rest being pretty even in that department. I am not sure how they intend to equalise the wings, but with the shapes all being the same, I suspect people smarter than me will come up with a way.
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    Second US Team

    Of course they have the opportunity to exist, and if they stay around for more than 1 edition, who knows, maybe they will become competitive, but its a fantasy to believe they can be competitive this time around. This isn't a case of being late with the delivery of their boat, which was the criticism of ETNZ. The fact is that others are designing right now while this team doesn't even have a design team, let alone the tools you need to design one of these boats. Without the tools, you could draw 25 alternatives and you might as well choose which to build by draw one out of a hat. There is a 1 in 25 chance it is the best of your designs and then it is a very long shot that it will be better than the ones designed using properly developed tools. Alternatively, when and if they ever get enough money to start, they could spend time developing some analytical and simulation tools before commencing design work, but they are already up against it time wise to give the designers enough time with those tools. If they in it for the long haul, which means more than 1 cup cycle, then they can use this edition to learn and to develop both the skills and tools needed so they can be competitive next time around. That's a pretty good goal for a new team, but with their struggles to raise the money, I won't be holding my breath. To me, them going public now is the act of a desperate team. They claim to have been working on it for nearly a year, but haven't got all the funding in place. IMO, they are only saying something now as a last effort to find money, because if they really were on top of it a knew where the money might come from, they wouldn't need to say anything at this stage. I hope I am wrong, but the signs don't look hopeful. Their biggest achievement will be to make it to the start line.
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    Second US Team

    That is incorrect. American Magic has been established and building its performance and design software for some time. The second team hasn't started anything yet. They are therefore well behind and money cannot buy back time, which is what is needed to develop the design tools. What makes it even tougher is that they have said they will only use US designers etc. That is not meant as any disrespect to my american friends, but the pool of people with the right experience of developing the required tools is small enough without imposing even more constraints.
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    Larry's AC50 Circus

    This is where you are so blinkered. The AC50 series isn't going head to head with anything to do with the America's Cup. You seem to be the only person to think that. The America's Cup is a development competition. This is being sailed in boats that will have been "equalised". The America's cup is about match racing. This is about fleet racing. The America's Cup needs a huge team. The AC50 series will not need anything more than a few sailors and a few shore team, say a total of about 10 people. You seem to be obsessed by the idea that they compete against each other. Does the GC32 series go head to head with the ACWS? Does any other series going head to head with the ACWS? It's just your perception, not a reality.
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    Olympic classes support in the USA

    I agree with your assertion that we shouldn't use the term "pathway". It should be "pathways". In other words, there are multiple pathways and no one pathway should be given any extra weight than another. it should be seen that there is an option to go to sailing school, summer camp or whatever introduction to the sport you want and then "progress" to leisure sailing around your local lake as an adventure, just like there is an option to do long distance cruising or join a club and race at local level or race at events around the country or try to go for the Olympics. Each is a pathway and each is just as relevant to the sport as the others.
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    Larry's AC50 Circus

    Wasn't the ETNZ boat flown in unassembled? I don't think they bothered to remove the bows, but they could have done very easily if they wanted to.
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    Team UK

    You keep talking historic geographical names, which are totally irrelevant. It is a simple fact that as a country recognised by the international community, the United Kingdom consists of 2 parts, Great Britain and Northern Ireland (which is why the full name is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland). If Northern Ireland ceded from the United Kingdom, you would be left with Great Britain. Please can you advise us which part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland the Isle of Wight is actually in. Is it Great Britain or Northern Ireland, or is the Isle of Wight not part of the United Kingdom?
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    Larry's AC50 Circus

    I am seeing Ian Percy this evening, so I will let him know What a surprise. Better make the most of your posting opportunities, because once the announcement is made......
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    Olympic classes support in the USA

    I hadn't realised that in the US, pathways seem to only refer to Olympic sailing. Maybe this is a problem in itself. In other countries, pathways define the route from starting a sport to whatever level and activity participants might want to go to. One pathway might be from beginner to doing the sport to maintain an active and healthy lifestyle, being in the wide outdoors and only leisure sailing. It could be a pathway from beginner to a regular club racing participant. Sports that have clearly defined and documented pathways to all activities and levels tend to do better in attracting new participants than ones that don't. One of those pathways will show the route to competing at the highest level and what that highest level looks like and there is lots of evidence that sports that are part of the olympic movement and therefore have it on a pathway attract more new participants than sports that don't.
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    Team UK

    How about an NZer stops trying to give lessons in geography and history to Brits who know a lot more than him. Politically and historically, Great Britain was formed by the combining of the Kingdom of England and the Kingdom of Scotland in 1707 Acts of Union. In case you were wondering, the kingdom of England at that time was considered to be England and Wales. The term United Kingdom is actually short for "The United Kingdom Of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" which was formally established in 1800 as United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland and which was renamed in 1922 after The Irish Free State (renamed Ireland in 1937) left. If the Isle of Wight is not part of Great Britain and it certainly isn't part of Northern Ireland, does that mean it isn't part of the United Kingdom? In political terms, Great Britain refers to the whole of England, Wales and Scotland and includes islands such as the Isle of Wight, Shetland, the Hebrides and the Scilly Isles. It does not include the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands because they self rule and don't send members to parliament. There is more confusion when it comes to a pure geographical definition, because some some say it is only the mainland and some say it includes some or even all islands. The use of "Great Britain" in geography is a fairly recent thing, but I personally believe it is a bullshit discussion, because what counts is the political and diplomatic use of the term.
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    Team UK

    While I agree with most of what you said, please reread my comments because I don't believe I said this. I think this is the key. If you are the national team in a sport, it's rather hard to argue you are not Team GB. It's funny how people who aren't British and who have never been part of the British Sailing Team tell Brits and past members of the British Sailing team that they are wrong about how we refer to the team we were in! Maybe the reason i don't associate with Team GB is because I didn't go to the Olympics, but Olympians are a very small sub set of those who are part of the British Sailing Team and what most of us refer to as Team GBR. As said above, if the team had used the term "Team GBR" I wouldn't have been happy because of all that implies, but i never even thought about Team GB because it is not a term used in sailing.
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    Olympic classes support in the USA

    There is a significant step up from world championship to olympic sailing. Remove olympic sailing and I believe the standard at world championships goes down. There are certain skills that can only be developed in the heat of olympic classes competition. Take as an example starting. After a season of racing the olympic circuit, the start line for any other class is so easy. The starting skills of a top olympic class sailor can only be developed in the heat of olympic class sailing and is usually the first thing that strikes even the most talented when they first join the circuit. There is a sort of OMG moment when you realise that everybody is as good or better at holding their position, that the holes you are used to in every other class simply aren't there and that you cannot line up next to somebody weak and legally "bully" them to create space. Let's be clear. i never said anybody took up sailing because they secretly believed their kid would win go to the olympics. What i said is that sports spend a lot of time building what are know as "pathways" because research has shown that sports with the clearest and most appealing "pathways" attract the most new participants. Many parents who don't know a particular sport ask basic questions, such as what future options there are. These aren't just for the top participants. They want to know what happens if their kid just enjoys the sport rather than becomes a megastar but they also want to know what options there are for their kid if they become really good at the sport. For some sports the answers are simple. Take tennis. Anybody who learns tennis has the potential to participate throughout their life and there are events for all levels. If you get really good, there is an option to turn professional with the top players making millions (and they have the olympics!). Check out pathways at US Sailing. Pathways tell you that a sport is well structured and looks after all levels. Sports with weakly defined pathways struggle to attract new participants, particularly from families who have no experience of that sport. I haven't seen or bothered to look for evidence of how it really works in the USA, but in many countries, without olympics or high paying professionalism at the top of the pathway, the sport struggles to attract people. So here is a question. Am I right that you took up sailing a fair time ago and your sons took it up because you sailed? If so, you probably didn't look at pathways because they weren't drawn up years ago.
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    Team UK

    The name situation isn't quite as straight forward as it might seem. Team GB is not a name that most sailors use or are familiar with. The sailing team is formally called British Sailing Team" and is shortened by many to Team GBR because of GBR being on the sail. I have never used the term Team GB is sailing or seen it used. If they had called themselves "Ineos Team GBR" I think there would have been a huge stink from people in the sailing community, but nobody said anything. It was the British Olympic Association who kicked up a fuss, not the British Sailing Team. You could argue that they should have made sure the name "Team GB" was available, but that wouldn't have come from having "so much experience of the inner workings of Team GB" because the name isn't common parlance in British sailing. Notice how nobody in sailing kicked off about it. In my case, if they had called it "Ineos Team GBR" I would have been seriously pissed but I actually thought they had been smart dropping the "R"!
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    Second US Team

    The issue isn't so much the preliminary work on the design itself, although it does seem that BAR are ahead of the game on that with a trial boat being built. The real issue is the development of the predictive models for simulation. These aren't bought off the shelf and this is where the real work is. ETNZ, BAR and LR have been working on these since the end of the AC, and they had a head start because of work done for AC34 and 35. My take is that if you haven't got your design team working now, your only option is a shared design with another team.