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  1. The Next Boat-----2020

    Please don't try placing words in my mouth. My comments have nothing to do with what I want and everything to do with ridiculous claims being made. It is TNZ who are claiming that these super fast boats will make match racing better. What I want is the whole pretence of it being possible to have tight match racing with super fast boats to stop. The AC has always been a design competition where the fastest boat has (almost always) won. The moment you accept that everything changes. Anybody who thinks these boats will produce closer match racing than the AC50's is dreaming.
  2. The Next Boat-----2020

    Almost, but not quite. First, this is not what Zonker was saying. He was saying that there was no RM advantage from ballasted foils. I pointed out that there is. Your argument is that there is no difference between ballasted foils out at each side and placing the weight in the middle, although you acknowledge that there is a gain in RM with ballasted foils. The thing I believe you aren't considering is that the ballasted foils also work in another mode shown in the presentation (shown a few posts above), with both foils down for stability. In that situation the ballasted foils will out perform lead in the bottom of the boat.
  3. Nice one Steve. Interesting concept. While I understand your comment about visibility, we already have fleets of 6-8 foilers doing 30 knots with conventional rigs and crew positions without crashes, so i wonder if this is an over reaction. The issues with high speed foilers has always been about understanding where boats can come at you from so that you look at the right places. I also have a concern about the helm not being able to see what the crew are doing. Sometimes the helm has to react to crew mistakes, or gear failure or just general SNAFU's. Or am i just being too conventional! I also wonder about the lack of headsails. I remember past comments of yours about headsails with the AC, but surely there is a role for a code o for those lighter wind days. Overall, it looks like a far better prospect than most of the efforts I have seen, but I guess the wing sail was the biggest problem they would have had with the design. I think you were right to stick with what you are known for, but I see that as the biggest challenge for acceptance, even if that might be a bit unfair. Finally, you did well not getting to the shortlist! Saved a lot of work and time.
  4. The Next Boat-----2020

    Not sure about this. On the AC50's manoeuvres weren't costly and that didn't improve the match racing. IMO, match racing on fast boats isn't going to produce good match racing. Even worse is match racing on fast development boats where there is likely to be a significant difference in performance of the teams, as we saw with ETNZ vs OR.
  5. The design team that was mistakenly called Perisco (see above) was shortlisted. I hope we aren't all getting confused. To be clear, the boat we were referring to was this
  6. The Next Boat-----2020

    You confirm what I thought. You haven't examined the actual nature of my critique, which is not based on safety at all (that is just one small section and was a throw away line). Instead, you take one thing that is subjective, because to attack the other comments would need some proper discussion and understanding of boats, how they perform and how they are constructed.
  7. The Next Boat-----2020

    At one point on the animated video, I noticed they had 8 out of the 12 crew grinding.
  8. The Next Boat-----2020

    It's easy to dismiss somebody on the internet, but can you explain why some very highly qualified people are making the same comments as me
  9. The Next Boat-----2020

    I don't think anybody quite used the terms you are using, but you seem to have forgotten that Frank Cammas almost lost his leg falling off a foiler and hitting the rudder foil while after somebody fell off the front of the Oracle AC50 Spithill commented at the relief that he came out the other side undamaged because it was such a high risk. I also think there is a great deal of difference between the risks of somebody falling off a boat compared with foils flying around in the air. Whole different game.
  10. I don't think so. Perisco Marine are the boatbuilders of the new Volvo offshore boat. The link I posted was a design group who say It's a great design by a team who have a pretty good track record for producing real boats, rather than fancy renders (although their graphics are pretty slick!)
  11. The Next Boat-----2020

    You would agrue that black was white if ETNZ had said it first! Are you trying to tell us that even the best don't make mistakes? Are you saying there are never collisions with top class racers? Remember Ainslie's "love tap"? Funny how almost every single commentator of note is talking about the flying foils being dangerous, that the internet is full of Ben Hur chariot race memes but you defend it.
  12. My favourite is this https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-gYVbELJH5I9dCqxJSkk3XgyEBMxUWWa/view?usp=sharing
  13. Lasers - Applying a Blow Torch

    I am not sure this is correct. The judge admitted he should not have dismissed the case and reinstated it They didn't leave it so late. it was in response to the judge reinstating the case. Until he did that, the court had ruled that there was no case. Once it was reinstated, they then filed the new suit. How can you file a new suit if the judge has ruled that you have no standing?
  14. The Next Boat-----2020

    I know I must be pretty close to the mark because when you make an argument others cannot counter, they just resort to insults. Any chance you could attemp[t to construct a counter argument and show me what is wrong with my comments, or is it that you have problems with me quoting people like Tom Slingsby who also know fuck all
  15. The Next Boat-----2020

    Supercavitating foils do not work at slower speeds. There is a real hump that needs to be got over which would cause problems at the "slower" speeds of upwind. Unfortunately, you cannot have both.