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    Steve and Dave Clarks Unidentified Foiling Object

    FFS! Any chance of keeping this thread on course? I am sorry I over did the generalisation. The only thing to discuss here is that with this particular boat and foil configuration, leeward heel kills foiling. Can we now get rid of all the foiling stuff not to do with this exciting new boat and concentrate on the boat itself?
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    Steve and Dave Clarks Unidentified Foiling Object

    The photos of the FAB sailing cannot be used in considering how well the boat foils, because the boat is heeling too much. Although sometimes simpler said than done, you have to sail foilers upright or heeled to windward. I am not sure there is any foiler that will get up while being sailed with leeward heel.
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    Steve and Dave Clarks Unidentified Foiling Object

    Come on Doug. Surely even you can see that was a joke! Maybe British humour doesn't translate that well, but it was just as much a comment on how the Clark's had done something different. Let's not get caught up with a silly debate when it is such a cool project.
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    Steve and Dave Clarks Unidentified Foiling Object

    Nice find. Nice additional details on the build, mast step and especially the foils post capsize and turtle. Quick. Somebody tell them that they fitted the foils the wrong way around. Surely the rear foil was meant to go up front . Didn't they red the memo about all foilers having an 80/20 load split? So there does seem to be one downside to the design. I think it will turtle very easily and that could well be the default mode when capsizing. The one benefit is it makes it less likely that the boat will be blown away from the sailor.
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    Steve and Dave Clarks Unidentified Foiling Object

    Mainsheet is a major limiting factor by the looks. Its always been a problem with wishbone style rigs. Dangling a block off the wishbone to keep the sheet out of the way is rather clever. There's also a need to ensure the batten end doesn't contact the deck even with max downhaul, otherwise it will wear horrendously. The batten for the deck sweeping element is such a damn obvious solution which I've utterly failed to come up when I've been thinking about the same problem. Really good solutions always look obvious in hindsight. I wonder, when it comes to usability, whether it would be easier to roll up the sail and keep it nice if the batten were a few inches longer at a slightly shallower angle and went as far as the luff tape. A bottom batten more or less at the leech might also be a help in rolling up the sail quickly and easily on the water and keeping it uncreased in the sailbag. Of course its all money. I have been watching the A's as I am thinking of making the change and they have been using a batten like that for a year now. Theirs goes to the luff, meaning tension and batten stiffness can help add shape. You have to take the batten out when rolling the sail. The A also gets around the problem of deck rub by having the tack and downhaul separated. This means that you can get the foot very close to the deck at all times and still use the downhaul.
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    Steve and Dave Clarks Unidentified Foiling Object

    so looking at the pictures, the rudder does seem to have more chord than the main foil so maybe it is more highly loaded than a moth rudder, but it is not balanced, the axle is still far forward of the rudder, so that would mean a heavy helm ! Why does it mean a heavy helm? I would bet a fair amount of money that the helm isn't heavy.
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    Steve and Dave Clarks Unidentified Foiling Object

    Great pictures which tell us a lot more about the boat. Can't wait to see the foils. The rig is looking good. One small point. From what I hear from the A Class and AC guys, even the fairly small gap you have beteen the bottom of the sail and the deck reduces the efficiency of the "deck sweeper". I am led to believe there is a noticeable advantage to completely closing that gap. maybe not important in a one design, but it you have gone to the trouble of doing it, I assume it is because it is more than following fashion.
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    Steve and Dave Clarks Unidentified Foiling Object

    The rig has to be unstayed, because you cannot see any! If there is enough depth in the hull for the forward foil, there also has to be enough to step a mast without stays. Whether it is a tube "laser style" or some other clever system, only time will tell. So much to like about the boat. I do hope the foils are completely different in size width etc than is the norm, for no other reason that the opportunity to see Doug's head explode because the standard 80/20 doesn't stack up
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    ....got stung by the 'WASZP'?..OD foiler...

    It would be good if you read what I posted. I know that in the UK (which is the same as GBR ), USA and Aus boats are available, but I don't think those countries can be considered as "many" places. For the majority of the sailing world, there are no Moths for sale in their country. I also checked before posting and i couldn't find any Mach 2's for sale in the UK cheaper than a new Waszp. While I know how robust the Mach 2 is, do you really think a 5-6 year old boat is as good as a new boat? I the USA, there is a 7 year old boat offered for more than a new waszp. I think you are also being rather misleading when you suggest boats like the Bladerider as an alternative. Old foilers are a total pain for all but the most dedicated. I thought the way to start in teh class was to buy an old Bladerider and I bought the best I could get. It was a big mistake and after 2 months, somebody lent me his Mach 2. Almost immediately, i knew I had made a mistake and I bought my first Mach 2 that week. While I would also agree that a "standard" Mach 2 is not really any more complex than a waszp (kicker excluded), how many are available with such a low spec? Almost every boat you can buy s/h is more complex than that, so your comment is irrelevent. As I tried to say, for many in the sailing world, the Waszp is a far better option than a Mach 2 or moth. If there is Moth sailing in your country, then you would probably go for the Moth. If you are in the UK or Oz, I think you should probably go for a Moth. If you are in the USA and reasonably near where there are moths sailing, go for the moth. For everybody else, I think the Waszp is a viable option that needs to be considered.
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    ....got stung by the 'WASZP'?..OD foiler...

    itsjimmy I think you miss a few things. You are lucky because you are somewhere that has second hand Mach 2's available, because in many places, they are as rare as rocking horse shit. Even then, a s/h Mach 2 is significantly more expensive than a new Waszp. The Waszp is also a far simpler boat, meaning that maintenance of the systems isn't such an effort as there is less to do, plus I suspect the key wand systems are more robust. I am also told that the whole boat is more robust. I also believe that when buying a Waszp, there is an expectation of a certain level of support and help that is harder to get if you buy a s/h Moth. You might be OK if there are other Moths around, but for many, there are no other Moths around them. Overall, I think you are a rare case, buying a Mach 2 instead of a Waszp. I suspect that there won't be too many who think it is an interchangeable decision. If the one design racing also kicks in, I think it will become even more clear cut. If a proper fleet develops near me, I think I will make the switch, because one design racing really appeals.
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    Steve and Dave Clarks Unidentified Foiling Object

    But I so enjoy those wonderful bruises the shroud leaves. It seems a shame to take away such an integral part of the foiling experience ..To paraphrase Jeremy Clarkson " speed never hurts. Suddenly becoming stationary, it gets you every time .
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    Steve and Dave Clarks Unidentified Foiling Object

    I don't believe you can see shrouds in any of the photos or video, and what i thought might be a forestay is not one. I believe that you are looking at the diamond wires. If you look at the photo, you should note that there is nowhere for a shroud to attach to and that the side of the boat is totally smooth. Even at this resolution you should be able to see some sort of fitting for the shrouds to attach to the hull.
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    Steve and Dave Clarks Unidentified Foiling Object

    To Steve and Dave - what a great project. i wish you all the best with it. The rig is very clever. Taking the vang loads away makes it far easier to build lighter. One question - it's hard to see for sure, but I don't think I can see any shrouds but I think I see a forestay. Is that an illusion? Doug Please stop posting pictures of your toys on threads that are nothing to do with you. It shows an extreme degree of self-importance.
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    Steve and Dave Clarks Unidentified Foiling Object

    You have to be concerned when you are the only one laughing. Just because you thought it was a joke doesn't mean that everybody else thought it was one. There was zero in your post to suggest there was anything funny, sarcastic or otherwise about what you were writing. At the moment you are like a comedian who got no laughs, then explains the joke, people still don't get it so the comedian tells them they don't understand humour.