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    Larry's AC50 Circus

    Again, you could not be more wrong. Let's start with the obvious. My screen name of "Team_GBR is nothing to do with BAR and all about being fairly proud of having been a member of the British Olympic Sailing Squad, which is known as Team GBR. I might not have been good enough to make it to the Olympics, but i was good enough to get on funding and be training partner to Olympians. I also never suggested that Oracle would win and I never said that BAR would win the last AC. You might have missed that i was the first person to say that BAR was not competitive, because I found that out before anybody else here. I also knew the nature of their technical problems, which is why I correctly said that they could not catch up, even though many on here said they could. I also was the first person to report that Artemis was the fastest boat in Bermuda, before ETNZ showed up, which was also correct. It seems that anybody who has inside information gets to you, probably because you don't know anyone or anything. You keep trying to compare the AC75's with the AC50's and say that they make any AC50 series irrelevant. That is because you do not understand the nature of what an AC50 series would be and for some reason, despite you saying it is not a threat to the AC, you behave as if an AC50 series would threaten the very nature of the AC. You cannot seem to fathom how both can exist and that there is certainly the demand from sailors and spectators alike for an AC50 series. You really are clueless. BAR are not using Core to build them anything. That is a fact. I cannot comment about Slingsby, for who it might be wishful thinking, but why would Murray need wishful thinking. He doesn't need the money and he has a pretty high profile job. He doesn't need the AC50 series to happen, so why would he say it is happening and that the mods are under way if they aren't. Your comment makes zero sense. Again, you duck the point, which is pretty clear. It is irrelevant that Goody is going to be part of American Magic. In the interview he simply said that sailors who weren't involved in the AC had other options, including the new AC50 series. Why would he say that, unless he knew it was happening? Can you please explain why they would be approached if there was not going to be a series. Did Ellison and his cronies waste their time for no reason? Get ready. There is going to be an announcement of the series soon.
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    Larry's AC50 Circus

    You are now calling people gullible and accusing them of believing in things that don't exist. Please answer these questions, which you avoided last time. 1. ACS posted that Ian Murray said he is going to be running the racing and that the mods are underway, and that Tom Slingsby has said he will be helming in the series? Did he make those thongs up, or did Murray and Slingsby make them up? 2. Am I making it up when I say I have been told that Artemis are in with Outteridge as helm and Percy running the show or did the person who told me lie? 3.Was agk470 making it up when he says that Grant Simmer told him that the boards were being made and the boats were being done, or was Simmer making it up? 4. Is Offshore 1 making it up when he reports that Core is currently working on the AC50's. Or was the Core staff member who told him making it up? Are you saying that Core is not working on the AC50's 5. In a recent interview by Sailjuice (Andy Rice), Paul Goodison mentions the AC50 series, although admits he doesn't have details. Did he just make that up, or does he at least know something to make him mention it in public? 6. Was the President of La Fraglia Vela Malcesine simply making up the story about being approached by a group headed by Ellison to host and event in the Loius Vuitton Cup in a program that involves Barcelona, Dubai and San Fran. Are you suggesting that they won't be using AC50's for that series? We have 6 different sources, 2 of which are in the press, that give us lots of evidence that the AC50 series is currently being put together and will happen. What of the above do you not believe and why
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    Larry's AC50 Circus

    If they wanted everybody to know who they are, they would have used their real names.
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    Larry's AC50 Circus

    I don't follow the logic. How can it be "late in the game? It is its own game. The only timetable they need to follow is their own. They are not bound to what other events are doing. Why do you think there are no teams? Not your stupid "if they haven't put out a press release" argument again. We also know of one "playing field" because they have issued a statement saying they are in discussions with Ellison. By your rule, the fact one venue has put out a statement makes it real, but you still want to ignore it. You are simply ignoring all evidence and will only accept it when there is a full press announcement with all details of the event.This Sailing Anarchy forum has a long and credible record of being first with news, usually well before any press gets hold of things and that is because there are people on here who have very good contacts or are actually involved. We have had AC sailors who have posted on here (even if most didn't realise who they were). In the case of the AC50 series, we have had New Zealanders post that Core is working on the AC50's at the moment, we have had an Australian say that 2 well known Australians are involved and there have been other credible sources. If it makes you happy to believe it isn't happening, fine. There is nobody as blind as the person who doesn't want to see.
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    Team UK

    Sole focus is very different from "the only thing he is sailing in". Everything they do is about winning the AC. He has just dropped the TP52 stuff because it has no benefit. He will be doing the AC50 events, because he believes that will help him win the AC.
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    Team UK

    Wow, tough audience. Consider this. No AC team that started from scratch has ever won first time out (Alinghi bought a team so didn't start from scratch). After his first campaign as a team, Ainslie knew he needed to make changes so did so. He has brought in the most experienced and successful CEO in the AC world (most wins, most campaigns, best win/loss ratio etc). He has got one of the best designers in the AC world. He has made sure he has the budget needed. Also consider that Ainslie is now one of the most experienced AC sailors and that every major event he has set out to win he has actually won, usually ending up totally dominating. BAR has been working non stop since the end of the last campaign to improve all areas and has been paying particular attention to strengthening their design team and predictive modelling. Ainslie has been totally ruthless in his pursuit of an AC win, dumping people and sponsors to position the team as best as possible. What more could he do, yet despite all that, people are writing the team off straight away. There is no challenger in a better situation in terms of people, money and experience. Write them off at your peril.
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    Larry's AC50 Circus

    Seriously? Do you actually understand anything about sailing? The TP52's are nothing like the boats that are going to be raced in the AC. In the absence of anything better, they are sailing them because it is the best pro sailing around. If they didn't do that, they would do nothing. Now we know you have no idea. The Volvo boats are even less like the new AC boats than the TP52's and sailing them does not maintain a competitive edge because one is about short term, boat on boat strategy while the other is all about long term, fleet related strategies. The reason why Pete and Blair are doing the Volvo is because it is the only thing that would pay them enough money for the year or so that ETNZ couldn't afford to pay them. It's great for ETNZ. 2 of their stars that they have no use for at the moment are earning enough money until they are needed, meaning that they won't be targets for other teams with loads of money that can afford to have them doing nothing for a year. What you don't seem to be able to grasp is that the new AC boat has more in common with the old AC50's than they do with any other type of boat. They will not sail like a conventional monohull. 3 things make them very different, with the most obvious being that they will foil. Foiling alone makes the boat handle completely differently. If you sail a foiler like a non foiling mono, you will be in very serious trouble. The way the main foil is so far to leeward means that the boat will behave like a multi, because the relationship between the centre of effort and the centre of lift (buoyancy). Then you need to consider that these boats will sail downwind with the apparent wind forward of the beam. TP52's and Volvo 65's don't sail like that.
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    Team UK

    Why would somebody put up that much money when LR and ETNZ say it can be done for $50m?
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    Larry's AC50 Circus

    Please can you explain how you come to that conclusion. there is no reason at all why they cannot do both and there would be lots of benefits. Where else can you get practice at sailing at 40+ knots in close quarters against other boats? You really are a hater of the worst sort. You claim everybody is making up stuff because they hate ETNZ, so let's see how that stacks up. Please tell us who is lying. 1. Is ACS lying when he says that Ian Murray said he is going to be running the racing and that the mods are underway. Is he lying when he posted that Tom Slingsby has said he will be helming in the series? 2. Am I lying when I say I have been told that Artemis are in with Outteridge as helm and Percy running the show? 3.Was agk470 lying when he says that Grant Simmer told him that the boards were being made and the boats were being done, or was Simmer lying? 4. Is Offshore 1 lying when he reports that Core is currently working on the AC50's. Or was the Core staff member who told him lying? 5. In a recent interview by Sailjuice (Andy Rice), Paul Goodison mentions the AC50 series, although admits he doesn't have details. Did he just make that up, or does he at least know something to make him mention it in public? 6. Was the President of La Fraglia Vela Malcesine either lying or simply made up the story about being approached by a group headed by Ellison to host and event in the Loius Vuitton Cup in a program that involves Barcelona, Dubai and San Fran. Are you suggesting that they won't be using AC50's for that series? Either everybody is lying or there is something going on.
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    Larry's AC50 Circus

    More crap. Simmer isn't a designer and most of the rest aren't foil designers. The top foil designer at the moment has his own company in Spain and is designing foils for a wide range of customers. There are also others who are more than capable of designing foils for AC50's who would be free to do so. Who else? You seem to have missed the Artemis design team and with Artemis being one of the main movers behind the AC50 series, maybe they have been involved.
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    Larry's AC50 Circus

    I know 2 people who has seen and been running sims. Both believe that in certain conditions the AC75's will be quicker than the AC50's, downwind in terms of headline speed, but they think the 75's will be no quicker VMG downwind. They do not believe they will be faster around a course, although that depends on where the course is set because the 75's have to be able to sail in waves which the 50's never did.In most conditions, the 75's will be slower than the 50's. Foiling tacks will happen, but far higher up the wind range than on the 50. What makes it really tricky is not having as much control over the soft wing as they had over the hard wing. The soft wing adds significantly more drag in tacks. Not sure what you are saying here. on the 50's, rudder delta to get extra righting moment was used by all. They only had a 3 degree range, but that is enough to gain a reasonable and worthwhile amount. I am surprised that we haven't seen it on any beach cats like the A's. They also gained righting moment from the top of the wing by inverting it. This could only be done in certain conditions, but it made a big difference as well. The biggest challenge the 75's have is the soft wing. It cannot do the things that the hard wings did on the 50's. The ability to make the bottom fuller so they could depower up top or even invert it was something very special and which cannot be done on a soft wing. You don't need to see the sims to have a pretty good idea of the key differences between the AC50 and 75. What people sometimes seem to miss is the similarities. Once foiling, the 75 might as well be a cat because that is how the numbers add up. What ETNZ have created is a foiling monohull that sails like a cat. For me, it's the ultimate irony. While people celebrate the return to monohulls, we have something very different.
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    Larry's AC50 Circus

    Are you talking about the new series by Ellison or the 2009 LV Pacific Cup organised by ETNZ. Both fit that description. Positive Nothing of the sort. Everybody except a few diehard ETNZ fans (and maybe ETNZ and LR) wants it t happen. The sailors certainly do and not for the money. Any fan of high speed racing should be begging for this series, as soon as possible. On this one Clean is wrong. Plans are far further on than most seem to want to believe. Maybe instead of writing crap one of you fanboys should go down to Core and see exactly what they have in their workshop. You might be in for a big surprise.
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    Larry's AC50 Circus

    Every other sailing series lives alongside the AC. The big debate is over the "alternative" to the AC point. Alternative doesn't mean replacing the AC, or even that it is as prestigious. One thing is for sure. While it wouldn't be the AC, it would be the premier professional race series, the most spectacular race series and the fastest race series. Until AC34, I was never envious of AC sailors and I had no desire to take part. I would have given anything to get onto a team for the last 2 editions. If this happens, it would become the event I want to be part of. Anybody want to rob a bank? (joke.........I think.........well....... I will start doing the lottery!) Depending how the whole thing is structured, an AC50 series shouldn't cost any more than campaigning a TP52 seriously. The unknown is the cost of the boats. For Artemis, there is zero boat cost, but they need to pay for the one design rudders and foils (say $800,000 based on estimates from the campaign), control systems etc. I doubt it will be more than $2m, which is about what you lose on depreciation and sails on a top TP52 per year. You wouldn't need as many people - the TP52 has a crew of 12, so even if you were to have the same that would give you 6 shore crew, which I doubt would be needed because teams could share shore crew. Shipping around the world would probably be about the same. If Larry has got LV on board, there will be little to no cost for the events. Even if you said the costs were double a TP52, it would be chump change to these guys. There is a bigger issue for any team that hasn't got a boat and wants one of the ones not being used. What's a second hand AC50 worth? I think the answer is that if you have an AC50 and don't want it, you would give it away because it is costing you money and it has no use at all. If somebody else wants the responsibility of storing it, let them have it!
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    Larry's AC50 Circus

    So imagine how good it will be with even better boats sailed by many of the best sailors in the best locations. Sounds like things are more developed and more public than I realised, assuming that Lerry Hellison is actually Larry Ellison! Based on this thread, it looks like we have some sailors, an event organiser, a sponsor and venues. People still want to believe it isn't going to happen? There is nothing as vicious as a "woman scorned"! Louis Vuitton has every right to be pissed at how the sponsorship of the next AC has happened. To not even get a chance to bid was a real slap in the face considering how LV had supported ETNZ in the past, such as with the LV Pacific Cup. Then there is the minor problem of whether ETNZ was in breach of their fiduciary duty in giving the sponsorship to Prada without a proper competitive bid situation, or at least without having checked the market. Guess the point is mute, because nobody is going to challenge it in court, but it looks like LV has found it's own way of getting even without going to court.
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    Larry's AC50 Circus

    If you think there are any names in sailing that would draw an audience, then you are delusional. I can imagine the conversation now Non sailor to another non sailor "We must watch the new sailing series coverage because (insert famous sailor here) is in it" It doesn't matter if that sailor is Ben Ainslie, Pete Burling or anybody else for that matter. Individual sailors will never be why people will watch a series on TV. They are great sailors and they might be poster boys in NZ, but they are way off being the poster boys for the sport world wide. In terms of Olympic sailing, they are way off legend status Try winning 4 Olympic golds, like 2 people have done. One of those people also won the AC and is a multiple sailor of the year winner, 4 times to Pete's twice. Got to love that you write Ainslie off as only being 2010-2017. You do know he won his first Olympic medal in 1996, campaigned until 2012 while also sailing the AC and that he will be back next time. You seem to be the only person writing him off. You also seem to think it is relevant that that they are "one of the most successful in a class. Well, you are right about others being as successful but let's be clear. they dominated a class for 1 Olympic cycle. That really isn't anything that hasn't been seen before. Come back when they have dominated a class for, say, 3 Olympic cycles.
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    Larry's AC50 Circus

    I am not sure I can agree. Let's start with the easy comment, "Strike out the word "soft" ". Did anybody claim that had trickle down implications for sailing? If they did, I would have said that was BS as well. We already had wings. We learnt nothing new from having them in the AC and there hasn't been an increase in their use. There have been cases of innovation in the AC that has trickled down. A lot of modern boat fittings such as blocks and winches have their current design due to things learnt in the AC The most obvious thing has been film sails, such as 3DL, which offer far more than just a speed gain. The point I was trying to make is that you cannot use the "trickle down" card as often as some seem to use it. This soft wing seem to me to be a classic case of when we need to be highly suspicious of any trickle down claims. Before we begin to discuss sailing benefits, we know that a soft wing rig is going to cost something approaching double that of a conventional rig. To start with, you need the equivalent of 2 mainsails. The masts will be significantly more expensive because of size and the double track. Overall, we are looking at a very expensive option and for that to be something that will trickle down, it needs to come with some pretty big benefits. It's also not trickle down, because it is an iteration of development already going on. Despite the OTT press releases which claimed it was a "breakthrough sail design", all they have done is taken an existing concept and developed it for their own particular use. I call it "trickle up"!
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    Larry's AC50 Circus

    More evidence you are either clueless or trolling. No team employed people simply to launch the boats, other than possibly the crane driver, although in the 2 teams i know of, this person also did other jobs in the maintenance department. W hen they had the ACWS, each team was limited to the number of support staff they could take so the sailors had to do most of the launching jobs.The only real additional cost was the crane. Look the cost of either leasing a crane for that period, or buy it and sell it afterwards. It is insignificant compared with the overall budget. Why is that different from a normal rig. In previous cups there were limits on the number of masts and teams did break masts. The difference with a wing is that it could be repaired, just like ETNZ did. If they had broken a conventional mast, it would not have been repairable in the timescales, leaving a team even more vulnerable. Consider TNZ in 2003. They ended up down to just one mast and there was always the thought that mast might fail as well. In the AC, there had been times before when a broken mast meant end of campaign. Contrary to what a few on here want to believe because they read it somewhere, the overall cost of the wings was lower than the cost of a full campaign with conventional rigs. The difference was that wings have a very high up front cost, but once made, they are relatively cheap to keep going. With a conventional rig, there are soft components, called sails, and these have finite life spans. Given the number of hours sailing that was done, the cost of new sails would have been huge. On top of that, you need a team of specialist sailmakers to look after a repair the sails. With the wings, that could be done by the regular boat builders. There are only 2 reasons why we don't have wings for the next edition. The first is that it was part of the deal with Bertelli. He did not want them. The other reason is that they felt they needed to be able to tow the boats out to the race course and you cannot tow distances with a wing mast. But they had a real problem. Soft sails are nowhere near as efficient and are far harder to depower without adding lots of drag. The ability to depower the wing, or even get righting moment from it by using reverse camber at the top, meant that the new boats were at a serious disadvantage compared with the AC50's. To counter this, we now see this soft wing concept, which will add significant expense. The trickle down argument for the soft wing is very weak. There is no application for it in one design racing. Why would anybody want to specify such an expensive solution for a one design? For any other type of racing, where handicaps are involved, if it has an advantage, the handicap system will need to be changed to take that into account and if the handicap system works, why would you spend so much more for something that gives you no advantage. The only people who will benefit might be those who sail very high performance foiling boats, which is a very small number. The other argument for a soft rig is that it is closer to what is seen in conventional yachting and therefore people can relate to it. I call BS on that. People who already sail understood wings, while those who didn't sail never seemed to have an issue with them. I remember the reaction to the AC72's and the "comeback"from non sailors. It was the first time I can ever remember sailing catching the attention of my non sailing friends who were so impressed by the boats. I cannot remember a single person even questioning the wings, compared with soft sails. Sometimes, you need to be able to read beyond the press releases and not believe everything they say.
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    Larry's AC50 Circus

    How would Simmer know? There has been no official announcement! Why would the CEO of BAR be up to date with what's going on in Larry's new circus? Surely them can't have any interest in that series
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    Larry's AC50 Circus

    Don't try to be a smart arse by parsing words. I said very clearly that I have no other information other than about the people I mentioned.That is completely different from what you are saying. It is you who is saying there are no big names. I have been pretty clear about who will be involved.
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    Larry's AC50 Circus

    So what? I am sorry they don't keep you informed but I am not sure they consider that necessary. Correct Please explain why they need sponsors? Larry and TT are putting up the money. I am not sure if you are aware, but this is petty cash to them. More BS. There will be a British team, BAR. Larry is fielding a team. There will be others. The lack of national teams has never stopped people watching good sailing before. Lots of people in the UK watched the AC72's, even though there was no British team. Lots of people watched the 72's in other countries as well. I guess it doesn't cross your mind that if I were to say who told me they probably wouldn't tell me anything else. Your list is rather selective. Even if you want to believe that Ainslie won't do it (he will), it's hard to believe Larry would have anybody but Slingsby sailing for him. and there are plenty of others, although i don't have information on anybody other than those mentioned above. How about Goodie - 3 times Moth world champ, Olympic gold medalist and Artemis reserve driver. The list goes on. You have never needed major names in sailing to carry a series, because so few people know those names anyway. I would bet that a majority of people who sail would still not know most of the names you mention while non sailors have even less of an idea. Despite that, series such as the Extremes have done pretty well with a bunch of nobodies. I do not understand the hate. The AC50's are very cool boats. What's wrong with setting up a circuit for them. Being fleet racing, it's nothing to do with the AC and it will be spectacular. What's not to get excited about?
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    Larry's AC50 Circus

    I have heard almost the same thing as A Class Sailor posted. No official announcements for some time yet, because they don't need to make them. The main players know what is going on. The way it was told to me is that only sailors from ETNZ and LR won't be taking part, which means no Jimmy, Ashby, Burling or Tuke. Slingsby will skipper the Oracle boat, Outteridge will helm Artemis with Percy, Barker will be sailing and Chris Draper will skipper a boat. Others want in and the current discussion is whether they can convert AC45's to be fair and competitive as they want more boats. I believe that the design work is finished, orders have been placed, work schedules are drawn up . Venues are being finalised. I'd put a lot of money on it happening. Time will tell.
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    Team UK

    The standout thing is that those writing the rules want to make the event seem affordable, while those challenging want to be able to win it. So far, I have seen 3 different estimates of costs from 3 different potential challengers and they all come out at $120m and upwards. In the same way as you ask if Max is lying, I would ask if those challengers are as well. I think it can be won for a lot less, but only if a team gets lucky and comes up with a concept that completely outdoes the other teams. I also believe that the chances of that happening with the new rule are fairly slim, not least because of the second boat. If the rule produces close boats, then the chances are that whatever team throws the most money at it should have a great advantage.
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    Team UK

    Those who write the protocol and class rule, or at least rubber stamp them as in the case of most CoR's, always state the campaigns can be done for far less than they really cost. How can the budget be less than AC35 when you need more people in the team, the cycle is significantly longer, the design concept is totally new and untried, plus you need to build a second boat. I am waiting to see the rule but I have also heard the suggestion that the rig will be more expensive than the wing, because it will burn sails and is a new concept.
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    Larry's AC50 Circus

    Are you really that dumb or did you make no effort to understand the rules? The hulls and beams were one design and the profile and sections of the wing were also one design. To create a fleet of equal boats is actually rather easy. The absence of the ETNZ boat is actually a bonus, not a negative. If it were there and was winning, it would mean that they had failed in the most imporant concept of the series, to create an equal fleet where the sailors are the ones that make the difference. When one design racing, the difference between the boats doing, say 44 knots and 45 knots is irrelevant. Some of the most spectacular racing during the last AC didn't even involve the fastest boat and to some extent, it was less interesting when you knew who had the faster boat. There is more than enough room in the sailing world to have a series with these great boats. There is zero conflict or competition with the AC, which is something completely different. I think it is great that these wonderful boats will not be wasted and only limited to one single event.
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    AC36 CLASS RULE

    I'd rather be called a pompous prick by you than be considered a complete dickhead by everybody, like you are.