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    Teams?

    How times have changed. I thought it was yacht clubs who entered, not teams. I thought RNZYS were the defender, not ETNZ. How times have changed that we can so easily forget the clubs and just talk about the teams
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    Teams?

    I didn't realise that ETNZ's employees were selected by a a committee of national selectors. Which national body chose those selectors? How did an Australian get into a New Zealand national team? Team New Zealand is the name a commercial organisation gave itself. During the initial period of AC34, a team in Australia called itself "Team Australia" but in no way was it a national team. BAR would never try to represent itself as a national team. Oracle only added Team USA as a marketing tool. The issue being discussed is whether sailors should show loyalty to an AC team. Just because a sailor has received funding from their national body doesn't mean they are bound in any way to a commercial team. All the AC teams are commercial entities and do not represent their national body. Their name may play on nationalism, but that doesn't make them a national team.
  3. I don't use the term "up-tip" very often at all because people barely use it these days when talking about foils. How many times did you heard a designer from one of the AC50 teams use that word last time around? Almost never. As usual, you change the subject to avoid the glaring problem with what you write. On one hand, you say that common decency dictates you should use the term that the foil inventors came up with (up-tip) while on the other, you choose to change the style it is written, confirming, in your words, you have no common decency. All you are is an attention whore and a hypocrite. You want the foils to be referred to by what you say is the correct term. How about you lead by example and stop your self-styled BS. It's "up-tip".
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    Teams?

    No it isn't. Where does it say anywhere that it is a "national" team. I guess if you cannot see the difference between a "national" team and one from a particular nation there's little point in arguing. When the Crusaders won the Super Rugby, were they a national side? No, there were a team from NZ, and that is exactly what we have in the AC. ETNZ is a NZ team, not the NZ team. Maybe the difference is too subtle for you, but it is significant. Each team in the AC are commercial professional sailing teams. To suggest that a sailor should have loyalty to a commercial organisation because of assistance received from a national body is a stretch too far. As I received money and support from the national sailing team, does that mean i can only work for British commercial organisations because to work for non British companies would be disloyal?
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    Teams?

    In the case of nation, BAR or any other team from the UK are not a national team. I suggest there is a significant difference. Team GBR, the Olympic sailing team, is a national team where you are selected to represent your country and I am sure Perc has loyalty to that team. It's the difference between Manchester United being an English football team and England being the national football team. Even ETNZ is "only" an NZ team and not the NZ national team.
  6. DL, you are clueless, rude and arrogant. There is not one single case of the foil inventors using "UptiP", as you spell it. You claim it is common decency to use the name they chose, but you do not. In the link you provide, it is written "up-tip". If it is common decency to use the term they chose, why do you think you can rewrite it in a different style. What's the opposite of common decency? In your case it probably is rude, arrogant and delusional.
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    Teams?

    Go back and check your history. For many years, the crew of AC boats came from other countries. A 3 time winning skipper was Scottish until well after he had made his reputation as a skipper and was "poached" by the Americans. It was clearly understood that the sailors didn't determine the nationality of a boat or which country it represented. That was determined by who owned it, which club they represented and where the boat was built. The whole nationality thing is relatively new, lasted only a short time and was a US invention designed to make it more difficult for others to win the cup which is exactly why it has been brought back in this time. Anybody who thinks that the nationality rule will help boost the cup needs to stop drinking the koolaid .
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    Teams?

    ETNZ had the better developed boat. Some of that was due to the sailors who optimised what the design team came up with, but never forget that the biggest gain came to them from a concept given to them by the Italians and that was the biggest difference between them and everybody else. Things like the way Ashby trimmed the wing did come from him, but it wasn't enough of an advantage to have won on its own because while it was way ahead of what OR had, Artemis wasn't far off in the wing department. The whole "what would happen if the sailors were swapped" discussion is pointless because they are an integrated part of the team and it is impossible to make that call.
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    Teams?

    Instead of focusing on the owners, how about focusing on the potential sailors. If you asked the ETNZ team to name the best 10 sailors other than their own team, you would probably find that most of that list will be sailing the AC50 circuit if it happens.
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    Teams?

    What has this to do with the AC? And how does asking this answer the questions about entries. From what I hear, there has been significant progress in the AC50 series and that there is significant interest, enough for them to start serious work on how to equalise the boats and to more seriously consider if it is possible to use the last versions of 45 trial boats as well (can they be competitive?) because there is already more interest than there are boats.
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    Team UK

    What street is that? Sesame Street? On the streets I know, the view is that due to lack of information the only way to get the sims to work is to make huge assumptions and to ignore certain limitations. It also ignores the question of how good these boats will be for close match racing.The word on my streets is that the racing will be anything but close.
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    Radio Control Multihulls

    Here is the heart of the problem. Doug thinks successful foiling and proof of stable flight can be achieved in 15 seconds, or less. Everybody else considers that to be able to prove foils work, you need o be able to show them working for a significant distance and to be able to demonstrate they maintain flight in changeable conditions as well as in a range of different conditions. More verbal abuse from Doug. He gets upset if anybody posts anything he thinks attacks him, yet he is always the first to become abusive.
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    Luna Rossa Challenge. AC 36

    I know that the AC is a rich mans game, but this is totally crazy. 30 sailors? Even if it is for a fairly short time, people = money. I cannot believe that is the best way to rebuild the AC and I cannot believe it is the best way to encourage people to enter. If you were on the fence, like maybe Artemis or Alinghi, and you read this, you would be thinking its out of control. It's also not what I expected form ETNZ who cannot benefit from rampant budget inflation.
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    Team UK

    It's hard to take this rubbish much longer. You don't seem to get it. Larry isn't interested and the only thing that would have kept him interested is to go with the London Agreement and the AC50's. It really is that simple. He would then have been bound to continue. Why would he want to begin all over again with a new type of boat and with a defender who has an advantage over every other team (not complaining, just stating). Sticking with the AC50's would give Larry the biggest chance of regaining the cup but with a totally new rule, it becomes a lot more difficult. There has been absolutely nothing to suggest Larry is in any way interested and if he was, we would have seen some action by now because anybody not already setting up and maybe even beginning the design phase is behind the curve. He has no design team, no sailors and no plan in place. Compare that with either BAR or LR, both have designers engaged and sailors signed up. BAR even claimed to have done some analysis of the new design while we know LR has done so.
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    Team UK

    I don't think there is any hope of Artemis going ahead and that it is all a smokescreen. 2 things are against Artemis - budget and nationality rules. I think Percy is using the cover of Artemis to keep in touch while he gets his ducks in a row for what he will be doing. As for Larry, it will not happen. He doesn't have anybody left. Spithill is out, Slingsby is out, the team is scattered . Larry was never an advocate for foiling. It happened anyway and he realised you couldn't go back. IMO, there was more chance if it had been a cat.
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    Team UK

    If Artemis doesn't go ahead, on of the obvious people would be Adam May. Artemis clearly had the second best design team, Ben knows Adam well. Simmer knows him because he was going to be part of the Origin campaign. If stories above are true, May has been keeping in touch with what is going on for Artemis. I'd be very surprised if May doesn't end up there and if you then look at who he has been working with on the Volvo inshore, it gives a clue as to who else might be involved.
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    Team UK

    You are mistaking public statements for internal belief. Of course Ben is going to continue to sound bullish in public because he has serious sponsors to placate. None of them want to hear Ben say they were poor last time around, but you don't get to be a 4 time gold medallist by not being totally realistic about where you currently stand. Ben is totally ruthless in pursuit of his goals and he never makes excuses to his team, coaches etc. He has a total obsession (bordering on being unhealthy) to improve everything he can and that can only come by being totally realistic in your analysis of where you are today.
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    Lasers - Applying a Blow Torch

    You really do have some rose tinted glasses. The Laser might be the largest singlehander and do all the things you say, but it has been in decline for almost the whole time Rastegar has been involve with LP and I don't think that is a coincidence. You see it as a positive that there are generic sails available for a strict one design. I see it as a real problem. You fob off the challenges of poor supply of new boats and parts. I see it as a long term problem that is limiting the class. I believe that the Laser is vulnerable to new classes coming through, maybe not globally initially but certainly locally. Look at the success of the Aero which has eaten into the Laser base big time in the UK. The problem is that when you bury your head in the sand and say all is well or "rolling along in pretty fine fashion" the class a class is at most risk.
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    Lasers - Applying a Blow Torch

    Is it? I hear that supply issues have still not been sorted out and that LP still isn't really investing in the class. In other words, all the complaints that were there before this all blew up are still valid. Dogwatch said he was using a metaphor, so he didn't literally mean the class was destroyed, but I think it is hard to say the class is rolling along pretty fine. I don't know about dates etc, but I find it highly unlikely that GS's lawyers would make a rookie mistake of being outside the statute of limitations and if they were, why hasn't LP's lawyers simply asked for the case to be dismissed? From what I hear, the case is moving ahead and LP has their back against the wall this time. Time will tell, but it certainly isn't over. With where we are now, with a straight contractual dispute between LP and GS, plus the claim by BK for the unauthorised use of his name, what are the implications of the 2 different potential outcomes. If GS and BK loses, I see no change, but if both win, what would that mean? Would it simply force LP to pay money to either or both, or could it result in LP no longer being able to build the design in accordance with the builders manual meaning they couldn't build class legal boats any more. Is the definition of a Laser whatever boat the trademark owner wants to attach his trademark to or is it only a boat that complies with class rules and builders manual? Forget predicting the result for a minute. What happens if LP loses?
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    Team NYYC

    I have been very critical of OR over the years but WRT the rule development, they were the best of all recent defenders. The story of how they went for the cat rather than a monhull is pretty interesting and I was in Valencia when they were testing both cats and monos to see what was going to work, they had 2 Extreme 40's and 2 RC44's they were using, developing some of the camera technology at the same time. They also spent the money on developing both a monhull rule and the AC72 rule at the same time. Some believe that it was all a smoke screen, but as it wasn't public knowledge at the time that both rules were being developed, i have to assume that Oracle hadn't made up their minds and the implication from everybody I know says that they announced the cat as soon as they really made the decision. I think that choosing a wing played into their hands a bit,. because of their experience with wings on Dogzilla, but I also think that to have gone with soft sails would have been highly criticised as being well behind the times. If they had really wanted an advantage, I suspect they would have gone with a tri, but they didn't. I also question your comment that the AC72's weren't meant to foil. M&M wrote the rule and I thought they are on record as saying the rule was never designed to stop foiling. I also believe that it was M&M who got ETNZ to look at it, so they must have been thinking about it when writing the rule.
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    Team NYYC

    You really cannot read English, because that is exactly what I said. US Sailing were asked to supervise so that no one team got any information before the others. So fuck off and troll somebody else.
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    Team NYYC

    As usual, you read what you want to read but never what i said. Where do i say that the don't have ANY systems or simulation software aimed at conventional monohulls? What I said is that they do not have the same level of highly sophisticated software that a specialist designer might have. They simply wouldn't spend the time and money to develop that sort of thing when they have no need for it because they could test the ideas well enough without it. Where ETNZ leads the world at the moment is in design, prediction and simulation software plus control systems aimed at foiling boats. When it comes to "conventional" boats, they do not have the same lead in technology. Come on! That was over 10 years ago. I have more sophisticated design software than that on my laptop, which is more powerful than the computers they were using then (Moores Law and all that). Although I don't have a problem with what ETNZ is doing, your history is a little shaky because GGYC/Oracle Racing did completely outsource the rule for the AC72 to US Sailing and Morrelli and Melvin. They were provided with a briefing paper by the defender but the rule was independently developed. The draft rule was circulated to everybody at the same time, including Oracle Racing. M&M subsequently went on to work for ETNZ. The defender chose that route for developing the rule because one of their big criticisms of Alinghi was that they developed a rule giving themselves a huge head start over all the other teams.
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    Team NYYC

    Not sure I agree. There are design teams out there who have very sophisticated modelling capability for conventional boats such as big arse monos or even streamlined oones which use conventional foils, which is something ETNZ doesn't have at the moment. What they did 10 or more years ago is no longer relevant. I don't think they have any designers left from that era. Where ETNZ leads the world is in the simulation systems they developed for foiling related sailing and their control systems. Take out foiling and their advantage disappears. I am nopt suggesting that they wouldn't do great conventional monohulls, but they currently have no systems or simulation software aimed at that area, so why would they have any lead in that?
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    Team NYYC

    I still think they did, but ETNZ did a brilliant job of building a better boat and they learnt to sail it really well. Artemis pushed ETNZ harder than any other team despite having a vastly inferior boat. Incorrect conclusion. While he was leading the match racing, if you check the conditions during the match racing, it was predominantly sailed in lighter winds. Hutch got fired because he couldn't sail in a breeze and was scaring the whole crew because his reactions in situations were not naturally right and he capsized the AC45 more than anybody else.He might have been good in high speed boats, but only when they were going slowly. His rookie errors were fine in the early days but he was expected to learn from them and improve. He didn't. More BS. How can you run with a single team when commenting on performance? (BTW, this is the first time I have made a comment about NYYC). I think it does. I believe that ETNZ have a significant advantage, although i don't believe they chose the design because of that. My reasoning is due to what they learnt about foil control systems and also the simulation systems they developed. Both of these give them a head start over everybody else. New teams need to develop this sort of technology while any other existing team needs to play catch up.
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    Team NYYC

    All very well having a great boat but you need the right people to sail it and Hutch certainly isn't that person. I was always sceptical about him running an AC campaign, but doing so with boats he doesn't understand and has no affinity with doesn't fill you with confidence. It is clear that they thought that we were going to see a TP52 on steroids and that having some of the best TP52 people as the backbone of the team was a great strategy. How wrong they were, but unlike BAR who also thought the TP52 was a good training boat, the NYYC team doesn't have any seasoned foiling sailors. BAR and ETNZ have the most proven foiling sailors, even if BAR didn't get the boat to match their skills. Everybody else is going to be playing catch up with NYYC needing to do the most. Then think about the potential free agents who you would want on your boat. Do you really think Nathan Outteridge would sign to a team run by Hutch? Not a hope, after Outteridge watched Hutch fall apart in front of his own eyes. That sort of thing isn't easy to forget. Who could Hutch attract? Probably Dean Barker. Chris Draper? I expect to see him back at LR. With a more conventional monohull I would have given Hutch and his team a chance, now I say they are on the back foot.