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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.


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  1. well said sir !
  2. +1 for sure! boats that are raced usually have a better sail inventory, more updated rigging, and are definitely better maintained than most non-raced boats.
  3. theres a t-10 for sale in kalamazoo on craigslist on the cheap. been for sale a while so probably open to negotiations. pics show her sitting on a trailer. not sure the real condition or the story but its worth a look. also saw one for sale in chicago on jack stands for $3k.....
  4. Trust me that boat crossed my mind as well. I think I would have a hard time finding a well maintained boat that would not require much work to get racing on the cheap. Less expensive examples do exist but are usually neglected with wet core and no trailer. T10s are great boats for the Midwest, ive had loads of fun crewing on one and the cost is low for a 33ft racing boat . Furthermore I wouldn't be able to dry sail it at my club as our lift is only a 2.5 or 3 ton capacity, id rather not have to pay for a well to keep her in the water or deal with wet sailed boat issues.
  5. there was one around here that races phrf and had a very tough time sailing to her rating, not sure if that was a crew/ boat issue or just a tough number. she was for sale earlier this season. I assume as most j boats this vintage (beamy) they sail better with weight on the rail. not sure on the exact height of the cabin but I stepped foot in the local one and was not cramped at 6', seemed nice for a weekend. no the most simple rig to shorthand, symmetrical kites, big overlapping genoa, and check stays on the mast to help sail shape and support but not a big deal. J boats are quality boats and sail well, as always check for core and bulkhead rot.
  6. there is a dibley 25 for sale on there too
  7. I don't think a new genoa every 25hrs will be necessary for local club one design racing. don't plan on doing nationals unless they are in my back yard because I have the F18 for a travel boat, tows easier and requires less crew. the J24 would be just for local 1D racing when there are no catamaran regattas to go to.
  8. j22s are not very popular in my neck of the woods, so no one design racing. also no life lines which would not allow me to race in many races around here. around these parts for 1D keelboats the choices are T-10 or J24. I love traveling and racing my F18, but local one design seems fun as well. you know- race what everyone else races
  9. If everyone is going the same speed, yes its good competition. ive stepped foot on a couple j24s, never sailed one. only time ive seen them on the water, I was racing my Formula 18 catamaran on the same course, so they looked very slow but its all relative. link for the polar chart dosent work on my end btw.
  10. so, I found a well priced, solid j24. there is a resurgence in the lake erie j24 fleet, several teams are leaving their PHRF boats at the dock and racing j24 instead. looks like fun, although relatively slow fun. So for the $5500 question, are are J24s still fun to race? the one design aspect and low cost is appealing. the speed, not so much. everyone also likes to complain about ergos. whats the upwind/ downwind boatspeed in say 10-12kts wind? hope not to stir up too much S#!t with the initial question but if you must, flame on...
  11. main bulkhead is rock solid no water streaks or soft spots, decks are stiff, couldn't find any delamination, no hull blisters, only visible damage is a small ding on the stern rail, starboard side.
  12. is this boat priced fairly? http://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/66553 I know there is a lot of variables but the boat is very clean in person especially considering its age. the south shore of lake erie has a developing fleet and I was considering joining the one design fun because phrf is... well you know. not sure I have the time for it but they sure do seem to have fun on them in port Clinton and Sandusky....
  13. looks like the Michigan f18 fleet is prospering , 12 F18s for a local weekend regatta on lake erie . thanks to awesome promoting from CRAM sailing (catamaran racing association of Michigan) cheap second hand boats grew the fleet this year getting some guys off their hobie 16s. if last weekend was any showing it will be truly close racing too. great hobie 16 fleet and Portsmouth fleet as well. if anyone lives in ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Ontario or other Midwest locale come by and play, 1st regatta is on the house( FREE) MAKE SAILING GREAT AGAIN! http://www.cramsailing.com/regattas/schedule
  14. how much are you asking and where are you located?
  15. todd, the dealer I tried reaching out to last year was the one based in Machesney park IL I also tried nacra holland. one of the reasons I purchased a c2 was because of the growing local fleet of them. luckily all of our venues are fresh water so corrosion will be a rather non issue for the wrench. i have nothing against nacra na and am glad to see you recognize the issues with connectivity and you reached out to resolve them.