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  1. LionIsland

    Girl with patreon account goes sailing in hot place

    As you know one of the advantages of cats n tris is the boom can be tamed by having the traveller eased right down on the full width traveller and having the lazy side cleated off and not having the mainsheet eased much and/ or pulling it right in prior to gybing. Accidental gybes can and do happen to both experienced and under experienced skippers. It shouldn’t result in broken gear. Yet even with a well tamed boom I’ve broken the head board out of the mast track a couple of times when gybing in a bit of a blow. Modified it, to stop it breaking and still broken it. Seems to happen more when reefed and the head isn’t supported in to the mast by the halyard. (It doesn’t help that it’s a shitty dumb designed bit of engineering by a big name producer that the stupid boat owner doesn’t change because he’s lazy or tight or hopeful that with mods it will work.) Point is I’m defending Ms Vags possibly poor steering because one should be able to (crash) gybe and the gooseneck not disintegrate. (And who knows whether the other legendary knowalls on board had the boom properly tamed.) Yes there’s big loads when gybing especially with a big headed main. And unfortunately shit does break and especially, cast metal shit, especially cast aluminium shit but it really shouldn’t in a fresh new boat and for mine that goose neck was way piddly and under spec or poorly designed for the probaly large rapid twisting force that was applied and it tore off. So there, my two bob’s worth.
  2. LionIsland

    1980s Lock Crowther catalogue

    That’s a hell of a story or two there!!! Gotta laugh at the “Ms Palmer changing hands”!! You funny.
  3. LionIsland

    1980s Lock Crowther catalogue

    I’ll try to check on that tonight. Btw, congrats on Cyno/ Panther purchase. Very nice boat- awesome. It’s a weapon. I hear you had a nice delivery run down the coast. And yes, well, a tonne less is a lot of righting moment gone, but makes for an exciting boat. Whatya gonna name it? Sticking with the animal theme and since it’s new home is in Shark territory maybe Shark related? Btw, we’re getting numbers together for LCMR Friday 28th September Ocean Race to make it worth while to run. Looks like we have the min numbers (5) but just looking for dead certainties before committing. Cat 4. You in? I hope so. Cheers, Stephen.
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    1980s Lock Crowther catalogue

    That’s great. Thanks for posting that. We’ll have to print and laminate and display that if we don’t have it already. I think we’re planning a special trophy for the handicap winning Crowther designed boat in all future LCMR editions. Also it looks like we have enough takers (more than five) to make the ocean race viable. Stand by for announcements.
  5. Morpheus. Super nice looking tri. What is it?
  6. Ahhh bloody nets. The most important part and the biggest pain in the arse on Multihulls. Gotta say that I was surprised to recently hear the nets made by a specialist tramp maker for a well known large pod cat (see what I did there- no names mentioned) had zero take up space around the edge after the initial fitting. That would be rather disappointing as we know they always stretch and require further tightening. Anyways, I always used on Previous two tris black polyethylene (UV resistant) knotted cod nets. About 30- 40 mm holes. With 4ml strands. Heavy on knees but good grip. Cheap n cheerful. Light weight and doesn’t take up water, let’s the waves through and doesn’t cause capsize at extreme angles of heel. Available from fishing net suppliers Able to be tensioned nice n tight. Easy to re weave aluminium tubing or rope around the edge to take up stretched net. Possibly not the most Scmlick solution but can be quite neat if the left over edges are trimmed or bound to the perimeter In the other hand. Jouvert has front nets in 1 inch woven webbing stitched at each cross over , and sewn over an aluminium frame. Perimeter frame. Fairly recently replaced I was thinking of all the possibilities but just went with a replica of the existing nets. Quite naughty as the surface area is high and busting through waves loads up the atttachmebt points. But they are very comfortable and surprisingly light. When it came to replacing them I thought I’d save weight using another material but these weigh virtually nothing and don’t take up water. Neil Tasker could tell you what they’re made of. The French tris always seem to have enviable knotted quite large hole nets. I’ve always wanted to be able to get that stuff but it never seems available. Bloody French!
  7. LionIsland

    Girl with patreon account goes sailing in hot place

    That is the stupidest thing I have ever seen! I mean honestly, what halfwit adds cheese to a perfectly good seafood linguini. That’s just uncouth. Totally ruined it. A waste of good seafood.
  8. LionIsland

    Lock Crowther Multihull Regatta

    Cool Mr Chidz. Plenty of questions there: misfortune, sold boat, surgery. Cripes! Well, if any of that comes to pass you can always sail with me if you need a lie down on a slow moving comfy couch or I might even pull my Oui Oui! out of mothballs. Def 4 boats so far for offshore race. Sat/ Sun 4 inshore races. Should be fun. All sorts of boats. Hopefully, foiling TF 10 will show up and show it’s wares if he dares. (I had to. It rhymes)
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    Lock Crowther Multihull Regatta

    Good one Pil. I hope you can make it. What’s the boat that you bought and you’re sailing back from NZ via LHI? (A couple of little errors in my original post; Obviously “onshore” races was meant to read “inshore” races. And I’m Not sure why there’s question marks at the end. New proof reader required). Anyway, point is we need a few more boats to commit to the offshore race on the October long weekend Friday if we are to run it.
  10. This seems to be a reasonable place to ask this question: We (at RMYC) are in the planning stages of LCMR 2018. Initially, we were gonna can the ocean race and just run the usual onshore races for race div and cruising div (sans extra sails) However, there was an outcry from the hundreds of active Australian offshore Multihull sailiors (yeah, right!) but we thought we’d atleast see if there was a desire by enough to make it viable. We need decent numbers (atleast 5, we already have atleast 3) to commit for us to run the ocean race. (Cat. 4) So, if we put it on who would like to and will be able to participate? (Yes, there’ll be OMR- but remember it’s a friendly regatta so we won’t be weighing boats but I’m happy to measure sails etc if you have a fairly recent certified weight and inventory form etc) Also if you got any strong suggestions that would make it even more attractive to you- apart from mermaids and nymphs, of course, then speak up here or contact me via RMYC?? Cheers, Stephen Barton.
  11. LionIsland

    Corsair 970

    I know which one I’d prefer to take, in a flash.
  12. LionIsland

    Corsair 970

    Oh FFS, would someone please throw Keith a few bucks for one of the best trailerable tris in the world, ever, Trilogy!! It’s criminal that thing is not being sailed. Seriously, 20 years on and it’s still the best of the best! For the amount that’s been pumped into it compared with whatever Keith will hold out for you’d be so far ahead it’s not funny.
  13. LionIsland

    Daggerboard case maintenance?

    Well, unfortunately I qualify to comment. So I will. Spent some time under my cat just recently cleaning out the cases. If you’re a farmer or a vet (or in a typical German porn flick or that way inclined) you’re probably used to having you’re arm shoved up a tight slot up to your elbow. For the rest of us it’s not the most pleasant of boat ownership duties.. Let me say shit does grow in there. (The centreboard cases, I’m talking about!) I liked the rectangular box of the old boat because there was more room in there for one’s hand. Of course there are drag issues with that setup which can be overcome but that’s another topic . The current boat has shaped cases so the trailing edge especially is a bit tricky to get one’s hand into. Definitely put a long gauntled glove on if you don’t want the skin torn off the back of your hand. I used a 4 inch gyprock scraper (with the sharp corners rounded off) the same one I use to scrape the hull which has copper epoxy ‘antifoul’ instead of normal ablative anti foul and it got all manner of stuff out including a big flat oyster type shell. But that’s after years . I’ll just have to be a bit more regular and diligent with cleaning it out in the future,, me thinks. Unfortunately the one remaining board (the other one snapped off a couple of weeks ago but that’s another story but just remember to always cleat off the centreboard uphaul rope or put a pin in it in case of hull flying. There’s no buoyancy to stop the centreboard sliding down the case when the hull is flying- ok) does have some vertical gouges and scrapes in it. A good reminder to not grind boards up and down when they’re loaded up. And hopefully it will remind me to clean out the cases from time to time. Tbe helmsman and crew (if not one and the same) need to coordinate their efforts to move the centreboards (or daggerboards if you must) when it’s unloaded. Grinding the board along a barnacle is not helpful. Yeah sure, if you’ve got schmicky Nylon type bearing points you can move them boards up and down under load but I still don’t think it’s good practice. Anyways, back to scraping. My latest secret weapon is a simple suction cup handle that really helps you get some leverage while you’re under there holding your breath with your arm up the case scraping all the crap out. I think a scraper on a handle of say 30cm long set at an angle say 30 degrees might be an improvement. Of course antifoul in there helps. I used to use ordinary ablative antifoul up there but of course the board rubs it off and it’s effectiveness diminishes pretty quickly. But if you’re antifouling once a year and you scrub and sand and apply antifoul up there it’s gonna help quite a bit. I’m pretty sure I’d never get a cat with minikeels but it certainly would eliminate all the buggerising around with centreboards and cases. The price you pay for higher performance and shallow water access. Good luck.
  14. LionIsland

    Banque Pop capsize

    Prefer to read this discussion on Multihull Anarchy rather than Ocean Racing Anarchy but there’s more in depth posts over there (and a bit less abuse) but anyhow, maybe we can steer the topic back here. Bummer about the broken mast. Hey wonder how deep is it around there? Deeper than the mast? Was it bouncing on the ground or did it just break from the ridiculous forces underwater. Or even hitting the water? And I wonder why they don’t reright before towing and what the thinking is around that. Or whether they just simply can’t reright out there or they choose not to. If it was mine I know what I’d prefer. Sure, the curtains and cushions are probably already somewhat damp but you’d think the amount of (potential) damage would be heaps less if you could tip it back over and tow it right way up now that they got all the broken mast, sails and rigging out of the way. i suppose there wouldn’t be insurance on it, who would insure a boat like that??!! Rather adds to the expense of the campaign. Blah. What a crap thing to happen. These people are miracle workers if they can get that thing ready for ROUTE DE RHUM.
  15. LionIsland

    Brisbane to Gladstone 2018 only

    Dear Bushsailor, Big ask building those bits in carbon. Especially when pushing in the conditions like you obviously like to. But really good try. Me thinks steel is a good idea. Carbon is amazing stuff but is crappy at local hi load points. Just so brittle and soft and chalky. No doubt you were probably a little disappointed not to receive a slab of XXXX in Gladstone but I think that you designed and made the rudder bits (and even made it to the start!) and are still challenged by the the engineering complexities involved and just having a crack (no pun intended) is really cool and very much in the spirit of (Australian) Multihulling. Please don’t be shy about sharing what you tried, how you went about it, what worked, what didn’t, and what your building with pictures etc. I think that’s where forums can be helpful. (Sure you might get one or two know-all-nothing wankers chiming in, trash talking and contributing nothing useful but we all can (should) just ignore them.) Sounds like the (B2G) conditions were rather boisterous. Stuff is bound to fail. When rebuilding Big Bird, I thought about it, drew some pics but in the end I just couldn’t get my head around carbon for Big Bird rudder bits so I milled a Sherman tank down (or at least made gudgeons out of 1/4 “ s/s and used double thickness I” ss tube for a pin etc) to fit a 40mm squaretube rudder box on the back of the boat to replace the standard kick up spade rudder. A little crude and heavy, sure, not expensive but very wear resistant. I figured a rudder is a pretty important thing not to compromise on. Boy rhst rudder has taken some hits! I mean the loads that thing has taken are nuts. But then what doesn’t get the shit kicked out of it on a well used boat especially in the ocean? The loads everywhere are stoopid, and the number of load cycles is even stoopider. Anyways, good job getting in without rudders. (Just on one or two motors?) and with enough fuel to motor for a while. Maybe you could start a new thread. “Making bits for Multihulls.” I could add a boring bit about modifying ex Top Gun centreboards to replace Jouvert’s snapped one. Followed by fixing up the now clunky rudder after the boat went to shore after breaking off its mooring. Ahhhboats. Gotta love’em. Good luck with making the new bits. I hope you share that process with us. stephen