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  1. Maker Space/DIY Boat Repairs?

    I hope the maker space guys find a way to stay open and make a living doing so. Guys I know who gave used such facilities have loved them.
  2. Clearcoat repairs?

    Clear coats make it harder for the observer's eyes to find the surface. It is possible with clear to Make a slightly wavy surface appear to be perfectly fair. the trick does not fake out passing air or water molecules. i can't imagine why someone would do that to his own boat's bottom.
  3. Resin wont harden...

    Drops of catalyst?? generally mekp needs to be used between 1% and 3% more will degrade the finished product less will make it difficult to get adequate dispersion to cause a consistent chemical reaction. My guess is you spread some poorly catalyzed mush all over your board. you can probably use a gallon of acetone and a roll of paper towels and pretty much rinse that mess off.
  4. Maker Space/DIY Boat Repairs?

    Space in building costs a Lot of money. Realtors regularly tell me my 2400 sq ft building could rent out for over $3000 per month. Assuming all thirty days of each month were in play you would need four of those $25 / day members using it every single day just to pay for the bare space. Then you need to pay for somebody to be there and manage. If you are open only 12 hours a day and pay $10 for some teeny bopper to run things, you need over a couple hundred bucks a day ( there are other government fees beyond that $10 ) or eight more members there each day. 12 people in a 2400 sq ft shop is might close quarters and you still need to pay for electricity, phone lines, water, heat, and tools!! the numbers sure don't look very attractive to me
  5. Maker Space/DIY Boat Repairs?

    I have a shop and great experienced employees. One way to look at running a shop is "everybody is a do it yourselfer who chips in to cover the price of the facility." On a typical labor and materials bill, less than half of the $$$ goes to the guy's doing the work. The labor money pays for the shop, truck, electricity, water, phones, tools, maintenance, trailers, insurance, and all those pesky property taxes. Pretty much all repair shops for boats, cars, appliances, or whatever bill customers at about $100 per hour. Generating five billable hours a day might be a reasonable pace so let's use $500. That means guys like me charge experienced employees who know how to properly use the tools and facilities $250 per day "rent." i don't see how a visiting temporary fellow can use the facilities for less. Further think about this: 1. The full time employee has to wonder, "Why do I pay $250 a day to use this place when some guy off the street gets to pay less? 2. The repeat regular reliable customer has to wonder, "Why does my bill reflect the full cost of running the shop when do it yourselfers get to use the place for less? " 3. As an owner, why do I want to assume the risk of having an inexperienced guy making mistakes and abusing my expensive equipment 4. Reputation . The work done in my shop ALWAYS reflects on my shop's reputation. Even do it yourselfers must be supervised and it takes way more time to supervise the inexperienced guy. +++++ i occasionally let a do it yourselfer accomplish a project at our shop but it is always a charitable contribution experience.
  6. M Mel Tillis DTS

    Wwwwwell ththththat's jjjjjjust awfffffful
  7. Next up, Bill Clinton!

    OK Let's make it official!! As of today, Bill Clinton shall never again be allowed to be President of the United States!! next....
  8. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    The current strength of the Sunfish and Laser games comes from the availability of toys. The huge dealer network built those fleet's and the thousands of still functional toys and occasional new boats have been preserving those games. Example: (As I understand it, there are similar stories to be told about clubs all over North America) Austin Yacht club has as many as fifty sailors playing in Sunfish and Lasers on any summer Wednesday night. No toy used this summer was built after 2010. Also, no sailor except juniors took up sailing in those fleet's after 2010. Most have sailed in those fleets since before 2000 and a large number since before 1990. The games are certainly being played and compared to any other singlehanded fleet's, the games are vibrant. I am 100% certain the games would be much more vibrant if we had a stocking dealer with boats and parts and who used the local fleet as a selling tool and a market. Since 2010 we have had no such dealer. Currently, there are no new laser/ Sunfish boats or parts available within 1000 miles. The games continue. On any given night, ten of the Lasers and Sunfish are from former group /fleet purchases. Another five are from world championship leftovers. Another few are from events where there were supplied boats. Unless new toys become available again the fleet absolutely will slowly and surely die. If the new toys are not compatible with the old games, the new game will need many years to develop and mature to resemble that which is currently in peril. This old fart REALLY does not wish to attempt to start from scratch again. The masters sailors I so enjoy aren't going to buy into and learn about a new boat. Financially, our game is severely threatened as many of the players can barely afford the current game. They cannot buy a new toy. Back to Austin; many of the players are old enough such that many of them have insufficient incentive to invest in new toys for the old fleet and have zero interest in the purchase of a new toy for a fledgling fleet. New toys of a new type absolutely will not save the Austin game. The best we could hope for with new different toys would be a new group in new boats and maybe a few of us from the old fleet's would join in. As I see it, the only future ( ten years out) for Lasers and Sunfish sailing comes from having a great supply of NEW toys and parts. It would be best for each game if a new owner who valued racing could take over the "franchise " currently controlled by LP. ( yes! I know franchise is the wrong word. I don't have a better one ) i also believe their is a sufficient market for single handed Sunfish / Laser racing toys such that a small company could serve that market while making money. The problem is the continued insistence by the class associations to allow only brand name Sunfish and Lasers. Whenever that that restriction is lifted, the games MAY have a chance to survive.
  9. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    Solutions Does anybody want to solve the "How do we preserve our game?" Question or Is this just a bunch of ninnies who want to be "in charge." The only real answer for preserving the game is to remove the opportunity for other parties to control the supply of toys. Solution: Define the toys without using the trademarked and copyright controlled names and logos. Either find an interested entrepreneur or finance new builders. Or move on with life and find a new game to play
  10. Trump better for Blacks than Obama

    It HAS changed. Our society has decided to tolerate hate. Hate has one dancing out of the closet.
  11. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    Every day the AERO looks , by comparison, to be more attractive. I miss the days when the only thing fleet's and class organizations did was try to figure out how to get more people out to play. EVERY SECOND AND EVERY DOLLAR USED ON SOMETHING ELSE IS WASTED. Simple question: Will this effort / change/ improvement/ new rule cause the game to be played by more people. If the answer is yes, the question changes to, "How do we get this done?" If the answer is no, do not do it!!! +++++
  12. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    I have a Sunfish sitting in my shop that is here for minor repairs from blowing around the neighborhood during Hurricane Harvey. It is shaped just like a boat for which I have been considering building some tooling. hmmmmmm
  13. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    How important was the name IYRU?? Nobody gives a hoot about the name.
  14. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    $$$$ vs principles. This may not end well. The game of sailing needs a new builder of singlehanded racing boats whose owners believe support and development of singlehanded sailboat racing, and sailboat racing generally, is findamental to that business.
  15. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    If anybody cared, there would already be a US builder of a generic Sunfish and the class officers would bevteaningbuo with that builder to get membership up to 10,000 boat owners by 2020. How hard would that goal be to meet?? How hard is it to convince one person in 30,000 to join the class?? Is our game do lame we can't get one person in 30,000 to sign up??. 30,000?? what is current class membership for Lasers and Sunfish combined?? It it 1 in 300,000 Americans?? Or is it fewer?