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      Abbreviated rules   07/28/2017

      Underdawg did an excellent job of explaining the rules.  Here's the simplified version: Don't insinuate Pedo.  Warning and or timeout for a first offense.  PermaFlick for any subsequent offenses Don't out members.  See above for penalties.  Caveat:  if you have ever used your own real name or personal information here on the forums since, like, ever - it doesn't count and you are fair game. If you see spam posts, report it to the mods.  We do not hang out in every thread 24/7 If you see any of the above, report it to the mods by hitting the Report button in the offending post.   We do not take action for foul language, off-subject content, or abusive behavior unless it escalates to persistent stalking.  There may be times that we might warn someone or flick someone for something particularly egregious.  There is no standard, we will know it when we see it.  If you continually report things that do not fall into rules #1 or 2 above, you may very well get a timeout yourself for annoying the Mods with repeated whining.  Use your best judgement. Warnings, timeouts, suspensions and flicks are arbitrary and capricious.  Deal with it.  Welcome to anarchy.   If you are a newbie, there are unwritten rules to adhere to.  They will be explained to you soon enough.  

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  1. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    I am crushed by what happened to Vestas 11th Hour racing. However, as a person who sailed in Hong Kong for seven years, and experienced several very strange incidents when racing at night in the waters around HK, there may be a lot more to this than we have heard (or not heard) to date.
  2. I wondered why as well, until the thought occurred that there were others clipped to the pushpit to keep the bow up.
  3. VOR Leg 1 Alicante to Lisbon

    The provisional Scoreboard quoted by Alinghi shows TToP with I point for finishing (which I understood was correct), whereas a few hours after all boats had finished the VOR Scoreboard showed TToP with a bonus point, which didn't make sense, but Zero for a final score. I assume the VOR Scoreboard had a typo. Can anyone please confirm?
  4. VOR 2017-18

    It's not my idea, DtM proposed separate Leg forums, possibly to keep the postings on track. Thanks for the tracker info. Now that it seems VOR is going to upload to YouTube after all (thanks to you again for that info on the Leg 1 forum for the Alicante in-port) maybe I'll get to see more than I was expecting to when events happen in the middle of the night in West Coast NA.
  5. VOR 2017-18

    I know you didn't start it and bucc didn't start it either, DtM started it. I think separate leg forums are a good idea because the main forum is already 44 pages long. Either that or rename the current main forum to something like Volvo Ocean Race 2017-2018 Pre Race Start or some title that indicates that it is general discussion pre start, and then start a new main thread. Meanwhile, I'd still like an answer to my earlier question as to whether or not Geovoile is going to be the tracker for the Race.
  6. VOR 2017-18

    Can anyone confirm whether or not Geovoile is going to be the tracker for the race itself, and if it isn't, which tracker will be used? It's the only way I'm going to be able to follow this race when most starts and in-ports are going to be in the middle of the night on the west coast of NA!
  7. VOR 2017-18

    You're worried about the update cycle? Give some thought to the wretched people out there living it every second. I'm sure it's hell, even if the Prologue doesn't count!
  8. VOR 2017-18

    Thanks for the clarification DtM.
  9. VOR 2017-18

    Well I agree with Bouwe that they are going to have to look after their sails with all this to and from Alicante and Lisbon, for the Prologue, then get back to Alicante for the start of Leg 1 back to Lisbon to start Leg 2 to Cape Town, through the Straits three times before they even face the legs that are hardest on sails and crews.
  10. VOR 2017-18

    Good for Annemieke (I hope Miffy saw the news) , but photo evidence please Jack, no 20/20 hindsight. She has sailed with them before and fits in, so fair does. Meanwhile, since a lot of people are obviously more informed than I am, there's still at least one team position not identified and that is who is going to do the navigating on TToP, other than Dee, although I notice that Martin Stromberg has moved up between Dee and Liz at the top of the crew list, but he doesn't come across as a navigator in his bio. He comes across as a more physical, get it done guy, with a lot of experience. The type of person you'd want as a watch captain when things get tough.
  11. VOR 2017-18

    I agree with your first sentence, but VG disproves your second sentence, as do several other races. As to your last sentence, I don't disagree, but you are posting on a sailing forum, so how do you get younger generation's interested in sailing? Bearing in mind that a large number of professional sports entertainment is provided in stadiums, maybe MT's idea wasn't so bad. Those professional sports that are not played in stadiums tend to limit fan viewing to brief moments as competitors pass by or by viewing on media. Most sailing events have media coverage. Turner has stepped aside, if not yet down. Bringing America's Cup and VOR together would be akin to trying to mate an elephant and a hippopotamus.
  12. VOR 2017-18

    No conspiracy at all, and I think you know what shuffling a deck of cards means but in case you don't, 52 start and 52 are still there afterwards, just in a different order. So far, I've seen two women vaporize and another moves to another boat (shuffle). So, presumably two didn't work out, fine. But, I tend to agree with Miffy as far as Annemieke is concerned. Although I'm not gutted, I was surprised that after several months of being posted "on board", it took Miffy's post to announce that Annemieke was no longer "on board", a fact that a review of AkzoNobel's crew on the VOR website the following day confirmed. Perhaps Potter's subsequent post is right. So what does that mean? If Annemieke didn't fit for SCA, and if the same people are coaching, why was she on AkzoNobel's "on board" list almost from the start? I appreciate that these are all professionals and I don't know any of them personally, but it must be professionally disadvantaging for them to be publically declined nevertheless. A certain amount of respect is due to anyone being considered, that is if you're trying out, but more so if you're listed as "on board" for months, and get dropped. Hopefully, we will soon know who is actually "on board" each boat, at least before each leg.
  13. VOR 2017-18

    Not so much shuffling, more like there are stacked decks (and not boat decks, more's the pity).
  14. VOR 2017-18

    Good point, but if any of the crews happen to catch a bus in either Newcastle or South Shields (which I doubt) and the conductor is a woman, I hope that they won't take offence at being called hinny, whatever gender the crew happen to be!
  15. VOR 2017-18

    Be as pedantic as you like, but VOR said Newcastle, and South Shields is just down the river. I know that area of England particularly well, but not because of sailing. However, you missed my point, which was that anyone going on the race has to be there for survival training, unless there's a dispensation for those who have recently qualified already. So that should reveal who is on the teams, even if they haven't been officially announced. Well 6 teams with women already did finish well in front of Scallywag in Leg Zero, so what's your point?